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[Yuvero]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I am quit happy with Talis face, I just thinking they should patch it a little more realistic, the hand is completly wrong and I am not sure what to think about her long and beautiful hair. 300 years inside a environment suit should change evolution a bit.

300 years is way too short for an evolutionary change. Although, culturally it would be quite strange (not to mention horribly inconvenient) for quarian women to have long hair while wearing a helmet all the time. As a guy with long hair, I know what I'm talking about.

Well if they are using cloaks (females) maybe is because they can isolate their hair from the rest of the helmet and at the same time the cloak protect the hair from the exterior bacterias, males doesn't use cloaks, which means that most of them have short hair.

[Tracido]

Darman wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Do u think, Bioware may patch Talis face?
If they want to go on with stories in the ME universe it might be a good idea, there will be Quarians without helmet in future =)

With patch you mean just the fingers, right? Rest of it looks already pretty nice. Love it, even if it is a simple photoshop.

Tracido wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

If they do any more revealing of Tali, it might be a in-game model, not just a picture.
They can't really patch or fix an already implemented part of the game.
I don't see that much of a problem with the in-game picture though, as long as they do a good job on Tali's character model (if they choose to do so)

Just do it during the sex scene, for gawds sake she's been with him since ME2, she's immune to his bodily fluids now. Seeing her fully suited in 3 at that point is truly, TRULY stupid.

Not to mention the comparision to the scene with other LIs. Blackscreen -> its over...

Finally, someone with some sense.  I'd rather go play solitare than be treated to as many damn blackscreens for tweens after all the loving dialog and build up for that crap G rated handling of it.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

gamer_girl wrote...

@Gernbuster 300 years is nowhere near long enough for evolution to take effect. By your logic, people from the 1700s are biologically different from us... Can you see the flaw there?

Agreed, any changes to qurians would be enviromental changes, and in theory the next generation (assuming anyones survives the ending!) could easily grow up on the homeworld without their suits.

[Gernbuster]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I am quit happy with Talis face, I just thinking they should patch it a little more realistic, the hand is completly wrong and I am not sure what to think about her long and beautiful hair. 300 years inside a environment suit should change evolution a bit.

300 years is way too short for an evolutionary change. Although, culturally it would be quite strange (not to mention horribly inconvenient) for quarian women to have long hair while wearing a helmet all the time. As a guy with long hair, I know what I'm talking about.

Thats not completly true, as we see today it can happen quit easily.  More and more people can't get fat, its impossible for them, doesn't matter how much they eat. It is a very quick evolutionay step, because children, I know ( in Europe) from families, which had enough to eat over the last 150 years( even through WW2) often have corpulent grandparents, corpulent parents, but can't get over 70 to 80 kilos overall. And the number of these people is constantly rising. It is hard for them as well to built up muscles, because it was less important, then to be intelligent. OFC this is still a very small group, but in maybe 100 to 150 years it may be completly normal for modern humanity not to get fat.
PS: Have u ever seen a fat human in ME?

PS: I didn't mean massiv evolutionary steps, but for example Quarians should be completly colourless.
the pigments change very quickly, especially if your family haven't had contact the sun over 300 years.

Modifié par Gernbuster, 28 mars 2012 - 01:50 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Gernbuster wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I am quit happy with Talis face, I just thinking they should patch it a little more realistic, the hand is completly wrong and I am not sure what to think about her long and beautiful hair. 300 years inside a environment suit should change evolution a bit.

300 years is way too short for an evolutionary change. Although, culturally it would be quite strange (not to mention horribly inconvenient) for quarian women to have long hair while wearing a helmet all the time. As a guy with long hair, I know what I'm talking about.

Thats not completly true, as we see today it can happen quit easily.  More and more people can't get fat, its impossible for them, doesn't matter how much they eat. It is a very quick evolutionay step, because children from (in my case in Europe) families, which had enough to eat over the last 150 years( even through WW2) often have corpulent grandparents, corpulent parents, but can't get over 70 to 80 kilos overall. And the number of these people is constantly rising. It is hard for them as well to built up muscles, because it was less important, then to be intelligent. OFC this is still a very small group, but in maybe 100 to 150 years it may be completly normal for modern humanity not to get fat.
PS: Have u ever seen a fat human in ME?

The reason there are no fat people in mass effect is the same reason most of the females have massive boobs <_<, besides you never go to any slums or impoverished areas of earth, who will probably differ a lot from the mostly educated scientists and political elite you see on the citadel


Though considering swtor its probably a good thing we don't see to many fat people !

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 28 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[Malchus]

Gernbuster wrote...

....TLDR........


PS: Have u ever seen a fat human in ME?

Isn't that in the codex that all the fat humans got shipped off the earth in 2115? I hear they're Volus now.

[Dilandau3000]

Tracido wrote...

Finally, someone with some sense.  I'd rather go play solitare than be treated to as many damn blackscreens for tweens after all the loving dialog and build up for that crap G rated handling of it.

It seems that the designers really didn't want to commit to a no-suit Tali 3D model, and without one a more involved love scene is not possible.

I don't particularly need a more explicit love scene. I thought the Liara scene was nicely done (haven't seen any of the others), but it's not something I need, per se. I'm overall extremely happy with the Tali romance arc. I loved how it was brought up more often in casual conversation ("I'm getting drunk with my boyfriend") and Shep and Tali just appeared to have such a deep connection in almost all their scenes. I don't need to see them make love to know they are in love.

Now, a DLC that would change the scene at the end on Rannoch so that a) the camera pans around her after taking off the mask showing her face in 3D and there's a paragon interrupt to put an arm around her, that I would happily pay ten bucks for. Even if that's all there's in the DLC.

[gamer_girl]

@Gernbuster that's a completely different situation. The genes are the exact same as they would have been otherwise just the *expression* is different. When the people that starved during the war had children, those children were conditioned to gorge by the expression of their genes, not the genes themselves. Ergo, it's not evolution as evolution entails a change in genetic material.

[Gernbuster]

gamer_girl wrote...

@Gernbuster that's a completely different situation. The genes are the exact same as they would have been otherwise just the *expression* is different. When the people that starved during the war had children, those children were conditioned to gorge by the expression of their genes, not the genes themselves. Ergo, it's not evolution as evolution entails a change in genetic material.

Then lets agree evolution wasn't the right choice of language, but the modern Quarians differ from the once who left Ranoch

[Ninja Mage]

or this with the stock photo

[Malchus]

Gernbuster wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

@Gernbuster that's a completely different situation. The genes are the exact same as they would have been otherwise just the *expression* is different. When the people that starved during the war had children, those children were conditioned to gorge by the expression of their genes, not the genes themselves. Ergo, it's not evolution as evolution entails a change in genetic material.

Then lets agree evolution wasn't the right choice of language, but the modern Quarians differ from the once who left Ranoch

At the very least, the suits are now a social norm, and unlikely to be completely abandoned for a while.

[gamer_girl]

@Gernbuster while they do differ, they don't differ enough to have a lack of hair as that would be a genetic change, not a change in gene expression. They differ with regards to how they cope with their environment - something that isn't linked to the gened themselves.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Gernbuster wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

@Gernbuster that's a completely different situation. The genes are the exact same as they would have been otherwise just the *expression* is different. When the people that starved during the war had children, those children were conditioned to gorge by the expression of their genes, not the genes themselves. Ergo, it's not evolution as evolution entails a change in genetic material.

Then lets agree evolution wasn't the right choice of language, but the modern Quarians differ from the once who left Ranoch

Well they will have evolved as a culture to be sure, and mabye the selection of population that managed to escape the geth were not as representative of the overal variation before the geth uprising, I.e if, they had visual differences like hair colour or skin tone depending on their distribution on their planet or if they had become mostly multicultural by the time they had to leave, Perhaps if only people from Eastern Europe escaped the destruction of earth, it would change what humans were like ect, I am really overthinking this though.

As the last of the fleet generation die off I assume there will be futher changes in their culture, as habits from people who spent most of their lives in the fleet are ingnored or become irrelveant.



In summary, TALI IS AWESOME YAY

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 28 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[Gernbuster]

I didn't say that they might have a lack of hair, i meant I wounder, WHY Tali got such a beautiful hair, when she is inside her suit nearly her whole life with only a few exeptions.
I am not female, but I think it to reach that style wearing a helmet is not that useful

[Tracido]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Tracido wrote...

Finally, someone with some sense.  I'd rather go play solitare than be treated to as many damn blackscreens for tweens after all the loving dialog and build up for that crap G rated handling of it.

It seems that the designers really didn't want to commit to a no-suit Tali 3D model, and without one a more involved love scene is not possible.

I don't particularly need a more explicit love scene. I thought the Liara scene was nicely done (haven't seen any of the others), but it's not something I need, per se. I'm overall extremely happy with the Tali romance arc. I loved how it was brought up more often in casual conversation ("I'm getting drunk with my boyfriend") and Shep and Tali just appeared to have such a deep connection in almost all their scenes. I don't need to see them make love to know they are in love.

Now, a DLC that would change the scene at the end on Rannoch so that a) the camera pans around her after taking off the mask showing her face in 3D and there's a paragon interrupt to put an arm around her, that I would happily pay ten bucks for. Even if that's all there's in the DLC.

I don't need to play games at all, or have ice cream after dinner, and could be very happy with just a good steak and no potatoes, that's not the point.  lol

If you love filthy clothes that much, and just dialog alone in a fantasy relationship good for you.  I personally was quite happy with Liara, because I actually like looking at you know, the body of a lover if even in fantasy, thanks.

Where I agree is the relations in general and with her specifically were great, yeah.  It's just part of the whole package, without all of it (you know since this obviously is before the, ehem, end) just one or the other by itself certainly isn't worth my time besides watching on youtube.

[Malchus]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
loltext

toomanywords

In summary, TALI IS AWESOME YAY

CELEBRATORY CUPCAKES.

Since, that seems to be Bioware's THING now...

Modifié par Malchus, 28 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[Gernbuster]

By the way, I think this is one of the best ideas how Tali could have looked like.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Gernbuster wrote...

I didn't say that they might have a lack of hair, i meant I wounder, WHY Tali got such a beautiful hair, when she is inside her suit nearly her whole life with only a few exeptions.
I am not female, but I think it to reach that style wearing a helmet is not that useful

Becuse it is a cheap stock image and bioware did not put much thought into it , though at least it gives people a standard to base images of her on.

[XenoAlbedo]

What?! I missed page 1000? Nooooooooo!!!!!

[Unschuld]

Gernbuster wrote...

I didn't say that they might have a lack of hair, i meant I wounder, WHY Tali got such a beautiful hair, when she is inside her suit nearly her whole life with only a few exeptions.
I am not female, but I think it to reach that style wearing a helmet is not that useful

Space. Magic. 

That is all. It's sci fi and not everything needs to make absolute sense. If you really want to explain it away, it could easily be theorized that Quarians have periodic UV emitters inside the walls of their suits that regulate healthy exposure and maybe nanites that care for the hair. They also take their suits off on the migrant fleet in sterile areas for showers etc. Who bloody knows???


Her hair and skin looks as good as it did when she left the three-finger salon. No need to think too much into it...

Modifié par Unschuld, 28 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[Tracido]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I didn't say that they might have a lack of hair, i meant I wounder, WHY Tali got such a beautiful hair, when she is inside her suit nearly her whole life with only a few exeptions.
I am not female, but I think it to reach that style wearing a helmet is not that useful

Becuse it is a cheap stock image and bioware did not put much thought into it , though at least it gives people a standard to base images of her on.

I'll tell this much, I did not want Tali to be some pale skinned white girl supermodel.  No offence to any fans or anyone else intended, but seriously, the stuff I've seen on Deviantart certainly fits her so much better, and I can deal with the hair, I guess, but yeah, that really does rustle my jimmies that she couldn't look any less alien than in that final stock photo choice.  So if modders do get going on her body, I'd certainly hope there would be multiple versions done, with hair, without hair (like some of the fine photos being shared here), with different skin tones, et cetera, I mean really, I know genuine fans will put more effort than that, christ.  I hope. O.o?

Modifié par Tracido, 28 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[Yuvero]

At the very least, the suits are now a social norm, and unlikely to be completely abandoned for a while.

I think Quarians system can adapt really fast to new environments and new or forgotten microorganisms, for example: tali's system was adapted to Shepard fliuds really fast, so maybe if they get exposed for certain times to outside environments they could adapt

[forthary]

Cro730 wrote...

Provide me with Tali DLC and I will be a happy customer.
"I want more time..."
with Tali!

We all do.

Malchus wrote...
At least I can get Shepard in underwear for some funny conversations.

He's sexy and he knows it

Ahh, the thrill of running around the normandy with nothing but boxers on.  I am sure the crew will have interesting reactions to my choice of clothing.

Modifié par forthary, 28 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[gamer_girl]

The problem with quarians having trimmed hair is that they obviously can't go to the barber on the citadel every month because that would entail them being outside of their suit for a while. Which makes me conclude that all the male quarians look like alien Jesus.

[Unschuld]

Underwear needs moar poka-dots.

Modifié par Unschuld, 28 mars 2012 - 02:34 .