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[forthary]

So anyways...now that the secret camera stuff is set aside...

I've always been a bit curious about this...how is Admiral Raan considered Tali's aunt? Tali's mother and father knew Raan, but she was never part of their family, just a friend.

Modifié par forthary, 28 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

forthary wrote...

So anyways...

I've always been a bit curious about this...how is Admiral Raan considered Tali's aunt? Tali's mother and father knew Raan, but she was never part of their family, just a friend.

Well Talis mother was friends enough with her to be like a sister, and they linked suits near talis birth so she could come into the clean room to witness it.



Also I guess extended family is more important given one child policy

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 28 mars 2012 - 08:20 .

[Crazyjeffy]

It's pretty common for close family friends to be called "Aunt" or "Uncle" even though there's no relation.

[forthary]

Crazyjeffy wrote...

It's pretty common for close family friends to be called "Aunt" or "Uncle" even though there's no relation.

Ah, yes, I just caught up on that.  When looking up the term 'aunt', I overlooked that it sometimes is bestowed under a honorary title.  I probably couldn't accept being called a 'aunt' or 'uncle' in family, unless I am somehow directly related to that title. 

I noticed that in Mass Effect 3, Tali doesn't quite like being around Raan is much...probably because in their jobs, they have to be mean to one another when debating stuff and setting family aside to solve matters, which isn't always a bad thing, but then again, who knows?  Thoughts?

[Crazyjeffy]

I never liked Shala'Raan. She never has any of her own views. She was much better in ME2 because she helped Tali, but she just kind of... existed in 3.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

forthary wrote...

Crazyjeffy wrote...

It's pretty common for close family friends to be called "Aunt" or "Uncle" even though there's no relation.

Ah, yes, I just caught up on that.  When looking up the term 'aunt', I overlooked that it sometimes is bestowed under a honorary title.  I probably couldn't accept being called a 'aunt' or 'uncle' in family, unless I am somehow directly related to that title. 

I noticed that in Mass Effect 3, Tali doesn't quite like being around Raan is much...probably because in their jobs, they have to be mean to one another when debating stuff and setting family aside to solve matters, which isn't always a bad thing, but then again, who knows?  Thoughts?

You mean when she feels uncomfortable talking about her relationship with shep infront of the admirals? Well thats self explanitry, I did not notice any hostility but I assume they would have to professionalise their relationship a bit more given she is now honoury admiral

[lomifeh]

forthary wrote...

Crazyjeffy wrote...

It's pretty common for close family friends to be called "Aunt" or "Uncle" even though there's no relation.

Ah, yes, I just caught up on that.  When looking up the term 'aunt', I overlooked that it sometimes is bestowed under a honorary title.  I probably couldn't accept being called a 'aunt' or 'uncle' in family, unless I am somehow directly related to that title. 

I noticed that in Mass Effect 3, Tali doesn't quite like being around Raan is much...probably because in their jobs, they have to be mean to one another when debating stuff and setting family aside to solve matters, which isn't always a bad thing, but then again, who knows?  Thoughts?

Maybe but it could also be the fact, at least if you are romancing her, that she is trying to keep it on the down low at first.  Example when you talk to her in the war room and she is all "Shepard...err Commander."  But I suspect, knowing Tali and ME2 chatter, that she is not being very good at hiding things.  

[TrueMadayar]

exelsis wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

IM: What do you mean you can't get control of EDI?
Cerberus Mook: She resisted all attempts to regain the normandy, and she uploaded 9 billion zigabytes of explicit material, most of it Shepard and Tali...

That scene was awesome, especially when you bring EDI along for it. She jokes that most of it was joker's stuff.

AFAIK you have to bring her. It's cerberus base. She's the mandatory.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TrueMadayar wrote...

exelsis wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

IM: What do you mean you can't get control of EDI?
Cerberus Mook: She resisted all attempts to regain the normandy, and she uploaded 9 billion zigabytes of explicit material, most of it Shepard and Tali...

That scene was awesome, especially when you bring EDI along for it. She jokes that most of it was joker's stuff.

AFAIK you have to bring her. It's cerberus base. She's the mandatory.

Should be an option to get vented into space

[TrueMadayar]

Honestly, the one and only gamer_girl in this thread is online and the discussion derails like the North Haverbrook Monorail, and to fetish no less. I see I'm amongst the people persons again. *scrubs bar* How about we bring it back to at least Quarians - if Tali doesn't adopt Jonah, or tutor him, I believe it would be best if he was killed in an DLC.

[HellBovine]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Honestly, the one and only gamer_girl in this thread is online and the discussion derails like the North Haverbrook Monorail, and to fetish no less. I see I'm amongst the people persons again. *scrubs bar* How about we bring it back to at least Quarians - if Tali doesn't adopt Jonah, or tutor him, I believe it would be best if he was killed in an DLC.

The quarians are a tight-knit community. I'm sure he has plenty of extended family that would adopt him. Like the uncle who sends you the letter after the Rannoch arc.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Honestly, the one and only gamer_girl in this thread is online and the discussion derails like the North Haverbrook Monorail, and to fetish no less. I see I'm amongst the people persons again. *scrubs bar* How about we bring it back to at least Quarians - if Tali doesn't adopt Jonah, or tutor him, I believe it would be best if he was killed in an DLC.

Biowares marketing of this game makes the monorail salesman look honest.



 


"Is there a chance we wont like the end?"
"Not  in your life my gamer friend!"

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 28 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[forthary]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Honestly, the one and only gamer_girl in this thread is online and the discussion derails like the North Haverbrook Monorail, and to fetish no less.

Oh, comeon, it wasn't that bad.  I will agree it definately went off-topic after a while, but I didn't even think we were devolving into that.  It could be worse, you know.
 

TrueMadayar wrote...

I see I'm amongst the people persons again. *scrubs bar* How about we bring it back to at least Quarians - if Tali doesn't adopt Jonah, or tutor him, I believe it would be best if he was killed in an DLC.

Killed?  Why not just let him live?  If you want me to kill him though, ok...just gimmie a noisy cricket plus Jonah and ill make it quick.

Modifié par forthary, 28 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[HellBovine]

forthary wrote...

TrueMadayar wrote...

I see I'm amongst the people persons again. *scrubs bar* How about we bring it back to at least Quarians - if Tali doesn't adopt Jonah, or tutor him, I believe it would be best if he was killed in an DLC.

Killed?  Why not just let him live?  If you want me to kill him though, ok...just gimmie a noisy cricket plus Jonah and ill make it quick.

I really hope none of you aim to be child psychologists...

[exelsis]

I don't get how this discussion has moved into fetish territory.

[TrueMadayar]

HellBovine wrote...

TrueMadayar wrote...

Honestly, the one and only gamer_girl in this thread is online and the discussion derails like the North Haverbrook Monorail, and to fetish no less. I see I'm amongst the people persons again. *scrubs bar* How about we bring it back to at least Quarians - if Tali doesn't adopt Jonah, or tutor him, I believe it would be best if he was killed in an DLC.

The quarians are a tight-knit community. I'm sure he has plenty of extended family that would adopt him. Like the uncle who sends you the letter after the Rannoch arc.

Most definitely they have a tight social web, they had to, as they always felt on the brink of extinction, and since accidents would always be able to deplete their numbers.

I meant from a story standpoint. Tali receiving an E-Mail about how Jonah stealing a Quarian fighter in the final battle, wanting to join his parents, flying it against the Reapers. Some goodbye E-Mail. "My parents gave their lives trying to help the Quarian people. If my deed gives anybody the split second they need to survive, I will have honored them. Don't be sad. I want this. How can I settle on the homeworld my father gave his life to reach? How can I live peacefully with the Geth after losing my mother to them? I will play Commander Shepard's logs of my father and my mother in the final minutes. Hopefully I can join them in whatever lies beyond. May life treat you better, Admiral Zorah, than it did me. And don't blame yourself - I know it was your father, not you, who brought the geth that killed my mother. And that you voted against the attack that killed my father. I just was unlucky that not more Quarians were like you. Keelah Se'Lai."

[TrueMadayar]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Biowares marketing of this game makes the monorail salesman look honest.



 


"Is there a chance we wont like the end?"
"Not  in your life my gamer friend!"

And the voice actor of the monorail sailsman was tragically murdered. Life just isn't fair, he was brilliant. He also played Lionel Hutz and all. We Simpsons fans really miss him.

Back to Tali - and the Simpsons, I believe Mass Effect wasn't mentioned there yet, so it can't be that big, right? Argh! Back to Tali.

[Hypnotix0000]

forthary wrote...

Crazyjeffy wrote...

It's pretty common for close family friends to be called "Aunt" or "Uncle" even though there's no relation.

Ah, yes, I just caught up on that.  When looking up the term 'aunt', I overlooked that it sometimes is bestowed under a honorary title.  I probably couldn't accept being called a 'aunt' or 'uncle' in family, unless I am somehow directly related to that title. 

I noticed that in Mass Effect 3, Tali doesn't quite like being around Raan is much...probably because in their jobs, they have to be mean to one another when debating stuff and setting family aside to solve matters, which isn't always a bad thing, but then again, who knows?  Thoughts?

*delurk*
Woo! More than 1000 pages, pretty good. Many more to come, methinks.

But on topic (was), I think it may be a bit of reservation between Tali and Raan. Since Tali got to work with a Geth personally, (Legion obviously), her outlook changed more on how the Geth perceive organics, to coexist over conflict, not just with the Quarians but with all organic races, if possible.

I think although she was slow to trust Legion, Tali realized there may be hope for peace with the Geth. She even said that she voiced her opinion to extend negotiations to the Geth after trying to keep contact with Legion, and Raan backed the war instead. When it came down to a draw, (I don't see it coming any other way) Raan stood against her and Koris in favor of war.

Granted, after the total boogeyman routine for 300 years, I understand the hesitance in even communicating with the Geth, but that may have been a bit of a blow to Tali I think. It may even explain why Tali tries to stay so "flat" with Shepard and Raan in the same room. Their relationship is implied to be controversial if exposed, and it may give Raan another "mistake" to credit her decision.

My two cents.

Modifié par Hypnotix0000, 28 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TrueMadayar wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Biowares marketing of this game makes the monorail salesman look honest.



 


"Is there a chance we wont like the end?"
"Not  in your life my gamer friend!"

And the voice actor of the monorail sailsman was tragically murdered. Life just isn't fair, he was brilliant. He also played Lionel Hutz and all. We Simpsons fans really miss him.

Back to Tali - and the Simpsons, I believe Mass Effect wasn't mentioned there yet, so it can't be that big, right? Argh! Back to Tali.

You know it takes them at least 12 months to turn around an episode? lol even they make fun at how out of date all the new films they reference become, hopefully it will be long resolved by then! but yes everyone misses Phil Hartman .


I know few people would know what a dead tali Me3 would be like, but how is Raan on the missions she replaces tali on?

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 28 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[forthary]

TrueMadayar wrote...


I meant from a story standpoint. Tali receiving an E-Mail about how Jonah stealing a Quarian fighter in the final battle, wanting to join his parents, flying it against the Reapers. Some goodbye E-Mail. "My parents gave their lives trying to help the Quarian people. If my deed gives anybody the split second they need to survive, I will have honored them. Don't be sad. I want this. How can I settle on the homeworld my father gave his life to reach? How can I live peacefully with the Geth after losing my mother to them? I will play Commander Shepard's logs of my father and my mother in the final minutes. Hopefully I can join them in whatever lies beyond. May life treat you better, Admiral Zorah, than it did me. And don't blame yourself - I know it was your father, not you, who brought the geth that killed my mother. And that you voted against the attack that killed my father. I just was unlucky that not more Quarians were like you. Keelah Se'Lai."

Wow, that's um...pretty sad.  I take back whatever I said about killing him, except if he commited a capital offense during the war against the reapers, which I doubt he will do.  He is brave for taking on the reapers, but I hope he did not make a foolish or unnessicarily suicidal sacrifice.

I'm not sure if I would feel that humanity was on the verge of extinction if 17 million of us are left...in fact, I actually feel that we have too many people on earth, and that our population needs to be trimmed back.  No offense, but seeing what I see, that's the conclusion I have reached.  However, if the majority of humanity was living on a fleet of ships, my perception may be different.

Modifié par forthary, 28 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[XenoAlbedo]

I still don't know who the hell Jonah is.

[exelsis]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

I still don't know who the hell Jonah is.

Unluckiest quarian kid ever. His mom was killed on the alerei, you find a log of her sending a last message to her son, cut off midsentance when the geth kill her. His dad is the quarian civilian you find crashed on rannoch during the koris rescue mission. Both his parents killed by geth, with commander shepard and tali being the last ones to talk to them/first to listen to last words. Now I'm sad.

[gamer_girl]

@TrueMadayar Why you no like gamer_girl? Sad panda. And I wasn't the one who actually derailed the topic. They were talking about Samara taking a dump before I came back from playing multiplayer.

[TrueMadayar]

forthary wrote...


Wow, that's um...pretty sad.  I take back whatever I said about killing him, except if he commited a capital offense during the war against the reapers, which I doubt he will do.  He is brave for taking on the reapers, but I hope he did not make a foolish or unnessicarily suicidal sacrifice.

Well, you are one of the few less social beings than me out there, so I wasn't surprised by your comment. And I of course don't take offense, I know the line of thought, I just deliberately decided for it to be too practical. I just see the possibility to make this traumatized kid another example of the war. Sad single stories reach people, nobody can understand 10 billion lives lost on Thessia and Earth. For if they would see ten billion individual deaths in that, and process it, including backgrounds of the dead, relationships, offsprings, etc - anybody would get a complete mental breakdown even trying to imagine it. Thus humans tend to ignore it. And if you want them to relate to something, you have to take a single life to explain the atrocities. Jonah would be a poster child for that, much better than the AI kid that was force-fed to us through the dreams. It seemed a little off. Can't imagine Shepard actually having such nightmares. Would have created worse ones. 

forthary wrote...
I'm not sure if I would feel that humanity was on the verge of extinction if 17 million of us are left...in fact, I actually feel that we have too many people on earth, and that our population needs to be trimmed back.  No offense, but seeing what I see, that's the conclusion I have reached.  However, if the majority of humanity was living on a fleet of ships, my perception may be different.

Well, right now we are seven billion and ravaging the planet's limited resources. If we were 17 Million and had no planet, but were spread around space ships and mobile space stations, so surrounded by an extremely hostile environment just one airlock or hull breach away, plus the chance to lose thousands to a single accident anytime due to the old age of the ships, we would feel very much endangered. I can understand the tight bonds, it's what makes Tali make the right decisions rather late. Also nobody likes the Quarians, nobody helps them, and energy is still limited and has to come from somewhere. It's really not a very stable life.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

gamer_girl wrote...

@TrueMadayar Why you no like gamer_girl? Sad panda. And I wasn't the one who actually derailed the topic. They were talking about Samara taking a dump before I came back from playing multiplayer.

I think he thought everyone went off topic becuase you were there, but I don't think it made any difference, anyway to stay on topic, Tali is cool!