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[Destroy Raiden_]

So they plan on having a ME3 based book released before the game isn't that major spoilers?

[GipsyDangeresque]

Nah, I thought that it's more of the final story that will be told between ME2 and ME3. I'm pretty sure the novel takes place before the Reaper War starts, anyway. Maybe some information we know contradicts that? Am I out of the loop?

Modifié par Atemeus, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:27 .

[stoneskin rebo]

Needs more Tali.

[PhantomSpectre]

Xarathox wrote...

There's also a strong possibility for ME Prequels. Sci-Fi writers love them some prequels...

That's true. But it's even more unlikely that they would use current ME characters in those. After all quite many characters were just too young to do anything particular or then we already know about their history, like in Miranda's, Jacob's case. And as much I would like to see what Tali's life were on the fleet before her pilgrimage, I highly doubt BW would actually do something like this, no matter how popular Tali is.

Anyway back to Tali. I have seen lot of question about will you choose your LI over something else or something along those lines, but I haven't yet seen that question being reversed.

And while it's not that likely what hf there would be some hypothetical situation where Tali is forced to choose between Shepard and her own people.  Who would she choose in situation like that, Shep or her own people?

[Sebby]

I hope we get the long overdue Quarian enemies in ME3. The Ascension novel talks about how the fleet exiles all their criminals due to the lack of prison facilities, so there should be no reason why we shouldn't be fighting Quarian criminal gangs or the odd Quarian in a merc band.

[Apophis2412]

No ME3 ithout Tali!

Tali is essential to the survival of earth!

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I hope we get the long overdue Quarian enemies in ME3. The Ascension novel talks about how the fleet exiles all their criminals due to the lack of prison facilities, so there should be no reason why we shouldn't be fighting Quarian criminal gangs or the odd Quarian in a merc band.

Quarian criminal gangs would be a bit much as I just don't think there are enough exiles for that. There probably are quarian mercs, but considering how many mercs there are in the galaxy and how many quarians there are(nt) a quarian merc would be very rare. On top of that, most merc groups would want their quarian in a non-combat role.

That said, I have a feeling we might get to fight Xen and/or any soldiers she has under her direct command.

Shepard doesn't have any problem with using his sole Quarian engineer as a frontline soldier though.

[StellarMagic]

It's never explicitly stated but its suggested that Tali is unusually well trained for her pilgrimage... Of course she went chasing geth by herself and managed to nab a memory core before you meet her in ME1. So yeah, she's a teenage commando. XP

However in ME 2, the language Reegar uses and the lack of any rank in conversation with Tali suggests she's a civilian specialist who is regularly 'drafted' by the board into missions. The marine detail is there more as an escort then being under her direct command though in Haestrom they seem to have been under her command.

As for Quarian Admirals and ranks in their militia... It's heavily suggested that the Admirals are elected. Hence why we have people like Zaal'Koris and Daro'Xen on the board. Neither of which seem to have a hint of true military understanding.

On the other hand Han does and Rael probably did... Han bringing up the issue of having a place for non-combatants truck me as true to form for someone with a military background. Shala is up in the air because she acts more like a mediator / arbiter then having a position of her own.

As for ME3... we'll probably see this for the Quarian Geth conflict...
-Geth are winning at the opening if you don't do Legion's loyalty mission or sell him to Cerberus and they are pro-reaper.
-Geth are winning if you show the evidence in the trial due to internal conflict in the Flotilla.
-Tali is an Admiral if you keep her from being exiled and don't use the evidence. Her stance on the war is partly determined due to your response in the Legion v Tali fight. If she is exiled you'll have to deal with another Admiral.
-Daro'Xen backed by a reaper and a segment of quarian marines controlling a number of geth, she'll be a primary opponent if the Geth and Quarians can agree to a ceasefire or peace agreement.
...and on and on...

[T.Attwood]

Seboist wrote...

I hope we get the long overdue Quarian enemies in ME3. The Ascension novel talks about how the fleet exiles all their criminals due to the lack of prison facilities, so there should be no reason why we shouldn't be fighting Quarian criminal gangs or the odd Quarian in a merc band.

This is quite an interesting idea. Even if it isn't used for ME3, it would be interesting as some DLC after ME3, e.g. in the case of the Quarians retaking their home-world and seeking to rebuild their civilization.
     While it is true that Quarian's may not be viewed as necessarily the best fighters, and may exist only in small numbers, they could certainly have the intelligence and capacity to build their own criminal group or organisation using other races. It is quite rare for the guy at the top to do all his own 'dirty work'. They tend to hire muscle and then issues orders to them.

    I made a comment a few pages ago regarding possible DLC or extensions the ME universe after ME3. I think the potential story arc that can be created by using the Quarian's rebuilding Rannoch (i.e. the conflicts arising from the change-over from military to civilian rule, discovering what the Geth have been doing to Rannoch for the last 300 years), you could also incorporate these criminal elements who are scattered all over the galaxy, or even attempt to return to Rannoch in order to exact their revenge on those who exiled them.

@PhantomSpectre: I believe that while it is the end of 'Shepards' story for ME3, it would be a waste for Bioware to throw away the potential of continuing and evolving the story of other characters in the ME universe. Continuing the ME universe with completely new characters can be a risk, and it doesn't make sense to throw away popular characters that fans want to see more of. It's why I think the direction the ME movie is taking, could be mistake, because 'it seems' they are producing a prequel involving none of the characters that everyone knows. I think it isn't the ME universe that people want to see in the movie, but the characters that people have followed for years (Tali being one of them).

[easyt3hremember]

Saphra Deden wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

However in ME 2, the language Reegar uses and the lack of any rank in conversation with Tali suggests she's a civilian specialist who is regularly 'drafted' by the board into missions.

Shepard says she was given the best military trainining in the Migrant Fleet during her loyalty mission.

The fact that she can suirvive like 10 bullets compared to most quarians what is like 1, means that she had to have had some training at least.

[StellarMagic]

Yeah... pre-pilgrimage. I think that's the one thing Rael gave her that was worth much. Then hanging around with N7 Shepard, a Krogan Battlemaster, and a Turian Renegade for however many days, weeks, months ME1 takes kinda put the polish on that training. Still, you never hear her given a rank, ever.

Think about Freedom's Progress.

"Prazza, you said you'd let me handle this..."

*facepalm* Seriously that sergeant is an idiot, I know... but if the whole damn squad followed him what authority did Tali even have to begin with? She could just order them to follow her or remove him from command... But no, Tali is a civilian or the world's worst officer. Since I prefer to avoid blatant incompetence...

I say she's a civilian. An extremely well trained civilian who is well known in the fleet. She's a geth expert and ironically something of a human expert. So they tap her for Haestrom and Freedom's Progress.

On Freedom's Progress her marine escort goes rogue. One Haestrom they suffer an overwhelming geth attack. Tali is in overall charge of the scientific mission, Kal'Reegar is in charge of the marine escort. She might have a brevet rank, or an honorary one but I doubt she's really any sort of officer.

[PhantomSpectre]

T.Attwood wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I hope we get the long overdue Quarian enemies in ME3. The Ascension novel talks about how the fleet exiles all their criminals due to the lack of prison facilities, so there should be no reason why we shouldn't be fighting Quarian criminal gangs or the odd Quarian in a merc band.

This is quite an interesting idea. Even if it isn't used for ME3, it would be interesting as some DLC after ME3, e.g. in the case of the Quarians retaking their home-world and seeking to rebuild their civilization.
     While it is true that Quarian's may not be viewed as necessarily the best fighters, and may exist only in small numbers, they could certainly have the intelligence and capacity to build their own criminal group or organisation using other races. It is quite rare for the guy at the top to do all his own 'dirty work'. They tend to hire muscle and then issues orders to them.

    I made a comment a few pages ago regarding possible DLC or extensions the ME universe after ME3. I think the potential story arc that can be created by using the Quarian's rebuilding Rannoch (i.e. the conflicts arising from the change-over from military to civilian rule, discovering what the Geth have been doing to Rannoch for the last 300 years), you could also incorporate these criminal elements who are scattered all over the galaxy, or even attempt to return to Rannoch in order to exact their revenge on those who exiled them.

Yes, Quarian crimiminal/merc would indeed be interesting idea. And Quarian and their tech experties would be well used in criminal organizations.

However it's quite unlikely that there would be any Quarian merc before they have got their homeworld back and they have once more adapted to their planet and it's environment. But because this takes years, even decades, it's something that could happen in future games. After all Quarians and their strict health requirements and diets are problematic and something quite many criminal organization or merc band would see more of hindrance, no matter how skilled they would be. It's easier and cheaper to use some other race tech experts.

But thinks would be different after Quarian have got their homeworld back. Then it would be more likely that some of Quarian could use their experties for their own benefit, which would usually lead to illegal or even criminal actions.

@PhantomSpectre: I believe that while it is the end of 'Shepards' story for ME3, it would be a waste for Bioware to throw away the potential of continuing and evolving the story of other characters in the ME universe. Continuing the ME universe with completely new characters can be a risk, and it doesn't make sense to throw away popular characters that fans want to see more of. It's why I think the direction the ME movie is taking, could be mistake, because 'it seems' they are producing a prequel involving none of the characters that everyone knows. I think it isn't the ME universe that people want to see in the movie, but the characters that people have followed for years (Tali being one of them).

Well why do you think that Liara seems to be BW poster girl or that at least that she can't die in any previous games?

But more seriously it could be seen as waste, if they wouldn't use or further explore different characters stories. However that causes problem. Which old characters BW would choose to be a new main character? Because they can't really choose any of them without causing problems or losing fans. I mean would you want to see or play game, where Miranda or Grunt are main character? Sure some people would want that, but there is also lot of people who would dislike that idea.

Also using any of Shepard LI's would be next to impossible. How can you use any of them and make everyone happy. Let's say that the new game would use Tali as main character and plot takes place sometime after ME3. Now the very first thing BW would need to do is decide, if Tali was romantically involved with Shepard or not and then it would need to be made as default choice. But here is the problem. No matter what they choose, some people are going to be quite pissed. Some would not be happy with the idea that Tali was your LI as default choice and other wouldn't be happy if Tali wasn't your LI as default choice. (And it would be next to impossible to make that decision with some new game, because it would require some extra work.) And it's same with every other LI's, which makes it difficult if not possible to use them as main character in future games.

Though some character specific DLC showing what happens to them after ME3 is over could be interesting idea and much easier to decide what was their relations Shep. Like if Tali was your LI in ME3, then it should be somehow visible in DLC story. However if BW would really want it to be profitable, then they should also made it in away that it would be possible to make the same story with Tali being only Shep's friend. I know I would buy DLC like this.

But this also causes problem once again. If you make DLC like this for one chacarter, then you should make one for every one of them or at minimum for every LI characters. And that would mean lots of extra work for BW. So, question is that are they ready to go out of their way with making these character specific DLC's.

And what comes to movie, I can understand why BW choose to go with prequel path. After all no matter what they would do with movie based on ME1, people are going to be disappointed, because movie(s) won't be like they have pictured and played the games.

[PhantomSpectre]

easyt3hremember wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

However in ME 2, the language Reegar uses and the lack of any rank in conversation with Tali suggests she's a civilian specialist who is regularly 'drafted' by the board into missions.

Shepard says she was given the best military trainining in the Migrant Fleet during her loyalty mission.

The fact that she can suirvive like 10 bullets compared to most quarians what is like 1, means that she had to have had some training at least.

Also her tech experties makes it possible for her to modify her shields, which further raises her survival in combat situations.

It's sort of as if Tali would have her own version of Tech Armor.

[Pandemonic IX]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

easyt3hremember wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

However in ME 2, the language Reegar uses and the lack of any rank in conversation with Tali suggests she's a civilian specialist who is regularly 'drafted' by the board into missions.

Shepard says she was given the best military trainining in the Migrant Fleet during her loyalty mission.

The fact that she can suirvive like 10 bullets compared to most quarians what is like 1, means that she had to have had some training at least.

Also her tech experties makes it possible for her to modify her shields, which further raises her survival in combat situations.

It's sort of as if Tali would have her own version of Tech Armor.

Now WHY didn't Tali had this in ME2?? It looks gorgeous on her!

[Webkahve]

Pandemonic IX wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

easyt3hremember wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

However in ME 2, the language Reegar uses and the lack of any rank in conversation with Tali suggests she's a civilian specialist who is regularly 'drafted' by the board into missions.

Shepard says she was given the best military trainining in the Migrant Fleet during her loyalty mission.

The fact that she can suirvive like 10 bullets compared to most quarians what is like 1, means that she had to have had some training at least.

Also her tech experties makes it possible for her to modify her shields, which further raises her survival in combat situations.

It's sort of as if Tali would have her own version of Tech Armor.

Now WHY didn't Tali had this in ME2?? It looks gorgeous on her!

She looks cool in tech armor, but i think its for sentinel class only:unsure:

[Killer Irish]

I'm with Tali all the way! - http://imagineye.dev...llery/#/d2j2nf0

Modifié par Killer Irish, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:48 .

[easyt3hremember]

Pandemonic IX wrote...

Also her tech experties makes it possible for her to modify her shields, which further raises her survival in combat situations.

It's sort of as if Tali would have her own version of Tech Armor.


Now WHY didn't Tali had this in ME2?? It looks gorgeous on her!

Heh the tech armor/outline kind a looks like Pants and a Short Shirt to me, heh=]

Modifié par easyt3hremember, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:51 .

[T.Attwood]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Well why do you think that Liara seems to be BW poster girl or that at least that she can't die in any previous games?

It could just be so she can get to ME3, where she is integral to the plot. Potentially, she could also die in ME3, along with every other character.

That aside, all these potential deaths does highlight a problem for Bioware. Over the years, certain characters have become popular, and I think many would like to see more of them in future games. But in order to complete the ME triology, the potential is there for all characters to be killed, potentially shutting the door on future expansion. So if Bioware, (for example) did decide to continue the Quarians story on Rannoch (even though it is entirely possible to lose Tali or have the Flotilla was destroyed), should this prevent them developing future expansions for those who purposely kept Tali alive and saved the Flotilla (assuming its possible)?
    In my view, if people wanted then not to survive the triology, it shouldn't prevent Bioware producing expansions for those who 'do' want the story to continue in that way, otherwise those few 'crazy people' () who don't like Tali end up having the story they want, and it affects everyone else. If they don't want to see Tali survive, that is up to them, but should it affect everyone else?

It would be good to hear more views from people on what Bioware should do given the above situation.

PhantomSpectre wrote...
But more seriously it could be seen as waste, if they wouldn't use or further explore different characters stories. However that causes problem. Which old characters BW would choose to be a new main character? Because they can't really choose any of them without causing problems or losing fans. I mean would you want to see or play game, where Miranda or Grunt are main character? Sure some people would want that, but there is also lot of people who would dislike that idea.

I see your point. However, I think if we take a slightly different path, we can find a solution to this. Ok, say we 'don't' allow direct control of current NPC's as a rule, but (again, taking the example of an ME expansion for Rannoch), you create your 'own' Quarian, in the same way as you can create your own Shepard. Tali would be an NPC, along with other Quarian characters like Reegar, Xen, Shala, etc. The game would take a certain amount of applicable decisions from an ME3 save game, including the LI status between Tali and Shepard (your Shepard could even have a part in the game as an NPC!). Your task as a (new) Quarian is to re-establish the Quarian civilization, protect them from rogue Geth elements, learn about Rannoch and what has happened over the last 300 years since Geth occupation. 

In order to be less specific and gain a wider audience, you could have the expansion split into several sections, where you control a Quarian (Rannoch), a Turian (e.g. where you have a buddy-buddy cop theme with a human where you clean up the galaxy of criminal scum), a Krogan (e.g. a quest to rebuild after the Genophage and re-emergence of the Rachni), etc, and so they all have their own story arcs. This avoids the potential 'limiting' of sales, as there is something for everyone who is interested in some of the characters.

Modifié par T.Attwood, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .

[UtziLa]

Need Tali!!!

[Webkahve]

RomanGV1 wrote...

Need Tali!!!

Yep, Tali art :happy:

[Kentuckan]

*Supreme Delurk*

Yeah so after lurking for like a year and a half now, I get this random message from a fellow fan who saw an ancient post of mine in the original thread to come and show some support so here I am. ... So yay Tali and all that.