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[Cro730]

Hey, Tali can make some serious money. I just saw a Tali lithograph (signed and numbered) sell on ebay for 400. yikes.

[Runescapeguy9]

The #3 sold for 1200. I am keeping both of mine.

[Cro730]

.... I'll take my mini 9X12 for 40 haha

[-N7-Seeker]

Anybody know a DLC relase date? I want more Tali. It sucks that I cannot talk to he rin the Engineering like in ME2. Oh, and nice avatar Rune.

[darthrevaninlight]

-N7-Seeker wrote...

Anybody know a DLC relase date? I want more Tali. It sucks that I cannot talk to he rin the Engineering like in ME2. Oh, and nice avatar Rune.

April 20th for the figurine DLC.

[gamer_girl]

Just woke up cause I had a nightmare about zombies trying to eat me! :'( *shivers* what's everyone talking about here?

[Cro730]

I had a very vivid dream of zombies the other day.
I prefer my Tali dreams, like the one where I was trying to find her after she left my area.

[darthrevaninlight]

Cro730 wrote...

Hey, Tali can make some serious money. I just saw a Tali lithograph (signed and numbered) sell on ebay for 400. yikes.

 
Liz Sroka!!! I hope she gets rich off of the Tali money!!!

[gamer_girl]

Yes I vastly would have prefered a dream with Tali in it. My heart is going like a thousand kilometers an hour. DX So you guys are talking about figurines I gather...

Modifié par gamer_girl, 31 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[Cro730]

Tali's voice is different in ME1. It seems higher pitched

[gamer_girl]

I never noticed a change in tone... Then again, I haven't play ME1 in a really long time.

[darthrevaninlight]

Cro730 wrote...

Tali's voice is different in ME1. It seems higher pitched

It is. Gives a more adolescent feel to it. I was kind of surprised by her voice in ME2 when I heard it the first time; it was a little jarring, but in the end I saw it as a part of the growth of her very complex character
just like her costume

Modifié par darthrevaninlight, 31 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[Dilandau3000]

They changed her voice modulation a bit, yeah. I didn't think it was jarring, though.

[darthrevaninlight]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

They changed her voice modulation a bit, yeah. I didn't think it was jarring, though.

I... talked to Tali A LOT in ME1. A lot.
I talked and retalked to her. Everything she said was so interesting, so information-packed, so much hidden and subtle depth.
The change in voice, considering I had just beaten ME1 for the first time (it took me a while to get through it) and only a week later picked up ME2... it was jarring. But I enjoyed the change as the story progressed, even though I was a bit sad that Tali was a bit more... distant? withdrawn? I don't know... Perhaps she was just less...innocent?...hm Still  havent put my finger on it, but something in her character changed between the two games, and it wasnt just her maturity.

[Cro730]

I would say she was more curious and overwhelmed with the whole new experience of being on the Normandy, it was cute. She was more confident in ME2 and already knew the situation and crew mates, so she was more calm I guess. Not as excited, maybe? She switched over from being that to investing all her feelings on Shepard - a worthwhile trade!

[IElitePredatorI]

Cro730 wrote...

I would say she was more curious and overwhelmed with the whole new experience of being on the Normandy, it was cute. She was more confident in ME2 and already knew the situation and crew mates, so she was more calm I guess. Not as excited, maybe? She switched over from being that to investing all her feelings on Shepard - a worthwhile trade!

Which is why we all love her! 

[Cro730]

Yessss her character is so well done, even though Bioware's inital intention wasn't that of what Tali has become. AMAZING indeed

[-N7-Seeker]

Tali's character progressions also amazes me. From the innocent, child, Tali she become a self-aware, more matured character.

[darthrevaninlight]

Youre right. She did have more of a.... sort of in-wonder attitude at the world around her. Like every sight and smell(can she smell?) was new and intriguing and fun. She became more...world-weary in the second one. She attained an "edge".
mmmyes very true very true.
thanx cro

Modifié par darthrevaninlight, 31 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[Dilandau3000]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

They changed her voice modulation a bit, yeah. I didn't think it was jarring, though.

I... talked to Tali A LOT in ME1. A lot.
I talked and retalked to her. Everything she said was so interesting, so information-packed, so much hidden and subtle depth.
The change in voice, considering I had just beaten ME1 for the first time (it took me a while to get through it) and only a week later picked up ME2... it was jarring.

Same here. I'm a late comer to ME. I finished ME, and immediately purchased and started ME2. I still didn't think the change was jarring. But of course, ymmv.

But I enjoyed the change as the story progressed, even though I was a bit sad that Tali was a bit more... distant? withdrawn? I don't know... Perhaps she was just less...innocent?...hm Still  havent put my finger on it, but something in her character changed between the two games, and it wasnt just her maturity.

I think that's an essential part of her character arc. She was basically an adolescent on pilgrimage in ME1. Then she returned from pilgrimage, with valuable geth data and as part of the team that stopped Saren. She now suddenly doesn't just have her father's legacy to live up to, but Shepard's and her own.

Throughout ME2 and ME3 Tali is repeatedly put into a positions of authority that she doesn't feel qualified for. She isn't a strong leadership figure like her father or Shepard, and she knows it, but she tries anyway because that kind of altruism seems natural and expected in quarian culture, and because she from her own personality doesn't want to let anyone down.

The result is that she loses (part of) her team on Freedom's Progress, and again on Haestrom. Yet so great is the shadow of her other achievements with Shepard that they reward her by making her an admiral, a position that she by her own admission never wanted, and only accepted out of a sense of responsibility.

That's why she shines when she's with Shepard. On the Normandy, Shepard makes the tough decisions, and she focuses on the things she is actually good at: technical things. And she is very, very good at them, but that still doesn't make her a good leader.

I expect that after ME1, she returned from her pilgrimage triumphant. The admiral's daughter had made good, exceeded everyone's expectations. But as a result, expectations rose even further, and even more responsibility was piled on her. In the two intervening years she comes face to face with her own limitations, so it's no surprise that she has lost some of her innocense.

Given that, it's also no surprise that she jumps at the chance to join Shepard (she clearly regrets not being able to join on Freedom's Progress), because it's a chance to get away from responsibilities that she didn't want in the first place, and get back to doing a job that she knows she's good at with a commander that she knows appreciates her talents for what they are, not what others want them to be.

And of course, we do see her grow and come to terms with some of those responsibilities in ME3, as evidenced by her ability to stand up to the other admirals, her more assertive behaviour in the romance, and little things like the conversation with the turian on the Citadel.

Just my opinion of course.

[Cro730]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Same here. I'm a late comer to ME. I finished ME, and immediately purchased and started ME2. I still didn't think the change was jarring. But of course, ymmv.

*big snip*

Just my opinion of course.

Yes, good point about the increased responsibility. In ME1 she was able to be somewhat "free", her pilgrimage was the only thing on her mind (other than helping Shepard of course). In ME2, there is a lot more responsibility given to her. So, she was "grown up". Which also means she was ready for some Tali and Shep time! Win-win for everyone!

edit: it was definately a plus being there while she expereinced her pilgrimage. It really gave some insight into her personality and comparison for her future character growth.

Modifié par Cro730, 31 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[darthrevaninlight]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

*snip*

Just my opinion of course.

I think you're right. But I also think there was more to it than just Tali's ineptitude at leadership. Sure, it caused the change, but it wasn't anything new to her. What was new to her was how close it hit to home.
I think it had more to do with how she viewed the universe. ME1 Tali saw it as.... new. You really got the sense that she was the new kid in the galaxy, willing to take on all its troubles, but unwilling to let its troubles compromise who she was. ME2 Tali was already compromised by the galaxy, already she felt the weight on her shoulders right when you meet her on Freedom's progress. She changed; she saw the galaxy differently.
You could be right in that this was caused by leadership failure, but I think... Tali just began to... become angry. She began to let the wrongs affect her, cause this irritation in her heart and mind that in turn affected her personality, made her more... jaded, but in a very subtle way. She never talks about it, which is what makes it so subtle... but still, it sort of can be felt, right?
Or is this over-speculating... >__o

Modifié par darthrevaninlight, 31 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Dilandau3000]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

I dont think you're wrong. I just think there was more to it than just Tali's ineptitude at leadership.
I think it had more to do with how she viewed the universe. ME1 Tali saw it as.... new. You really got the sense that she was the new kid in the galaxy, willing to take on all its troubles, but unwilling to let its troubles compromise who she was. ME2 Tali was already compromised by the galaxy, already she felt the weight on her shoulders right when you meet her on Freedom's progress. She changed; she saw the galaxy differently.
You could be right in that this was caused by leadership failure, but I think... Tali just began to... become angry. She began to let the wrongs affect her, cause this irritation in her heart and mind that in turn affected her personality, made her more... jaded, but in a very subtle way. She never talks about it, which is what makes it so subtle... but still, it sort of can be felt, right?
Or is this over-speculating... >__o

I'm not saying that the failures are the cause of her character change. I'm saying that she was constantly trying to live up to what other people expected of her, and that that caused both the failures and the change in attitude.

And let's not forget that she had to deal with Shepard's death as well. According to Liara in LotSB, Tali was attracted to Shepard right from the start. For two years, she thought he was dead. One of the few people who understood her and didn't place unreasonable expectations on her, lost forever as far as she knew.

And I definitely agree that Tali had a type of "kitten that's out in the garden for the first time" appeal in ME1. But all cats eventually become jaded.  I'm just saying that given what's happened to her, the change between ME1 and ME2 isn't surprising.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 31 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[Cro730]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

*snip*

Just my opinion of course.

I think you're right. But I also think there was more to it than just Tali's ineptitude at leadership. Sure, it caused the *snip*
You could be right in that this was caused by leadership failure, but I think... Tali just began to... become angry. She began to let the wrongs affect her, cause this irritation in her heart and mind that in turn affected her personality, made her more... jaded, but in a very subtle way. She never talks about it, which is what makes it so subtle... but still, it sort of can be felt, right?
Or is this over-speculating... >__o

Did you forget about the scene where she was talking to the turian clerk, on the presidium? She put that very unpleasant experience behind her and continued to help him. She is still kind, although I see your point. She becomes more "realistic", as opposed to curious and accepting of new ideas/concepts. Not sure I would go as far as jaded, mean, or angry though.

Modifié par Cro730, 31 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[Cro730]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

I'm not saying that the failures are the cause of her character change. I'm saying that she was constantly trying to live up to what other people expected of her, and that that caused both the failures and the change in attitude.

And let's not forget that she had to deal with Shepard's death as well. According to Liara in LotSB, Tali was attracted to Shepard right from the start. For two years, she thought he was dead. One of the few people who understood her and didn't place unreasonable expectations on her, lost forever as far as she knew.

And I definitely agree that Tali had a type of "kitten that's out in the garden for the first time" appeal in ME1. But all cats eventually become jaded.  I'm just saying that given what's happened to her, the change between ME1 and ME2 isn't surprising.

At first I was going to say "my shepard didn't die on the suicide mission!"
Then I realized you were talking about the beginning, where the Normandy exploded.
Wow I never thought about that. 2 years of thinking Shepard was dead. (technically, he was)
The only benefit I see is that they weren't together when that happened, so it would have made it a very small bit easier for Tali to deal with. Still, devastating though. Good point about Shepard being the one who understood and didn't place expectations, brings a larger impact to his "fake" death; and possibly Tali's character development.

Modifié par Cro730, 31 mars 2012 - 09:34 .