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Slept the rest of the night zombie free... :D
What's up guys?


At least your dreams made some form of sense. I recently had a really bizarre one, I'm not sure what exactly it was, but I woke up thinking my cat (sleeping at my feet) was image code, and I had the urge to use him to uplaod JPGs. I must have dreamt that life was a forum :huh::blink:.

Was most disappointed (and confused!) as I wanted a Tali dream so much that night :wub:

Weirdest I can remember is being chased by dinosaurs in a library. That was definitely unsettling.

I didn't dream of Tali, but Daniel Radcliffe was present... which for me is better than Tali in a lot of ways. :whistle:

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Tali is simply grown up. In ME1 the whole galaxy was new to her. But in ME2 it wasn't anymore. Yet she is only showing her strong and confident mask to the ppl who do not know her. She talks openly to Shepard. She states that she doesn't like to be an Admiral, but she has to be one. Their romance is the only thing that can distract her,. She joins Shepard in ME3 because she doesn't have to worry about Rannoch that much again, and of course, their love.


<note this is based on my Shep>


Not just distract, but support her.  Ever since she came to the Normandy there's only been one person who just accepted her for who she was and was supportive of her.  

In ME1 she learns something amazing and important.  The only one who listens to her, accepts her and doesn't try and use and/or kill her is Shepard.  Not only that but he takes her in and make her an equal part of the crew.  And then you talk to her, engage her and show an interest in what she has to say.  At this point she is starting to fall for you but her own insecurities, the fact she is in that suit and is to some degree "hidden" and the presence of a strong human female and a beautiful, smart asari makes her fade into the background in her mind.  And yet even with them this man still show interest in what she says and even helps her find the one thing that makes her pilgrimage a resounding success.  

Fast forward two years to ME2.  She's grown up more, but in part lives by a mix of her own sense of responsiblity, a desire to please her father, and by the memory of the human commander who meant so much to her.  Seeing him brought a lot  of things back to her and even though she regretted it she did not join you at first.  Why?  Because of  the needs of her father and her people.  And then you meet again on what is arguably a ridiculously dangerous mission.  But once she had the chance to rejoin she did.  And then what happens?  She sees her father die and is accused of treason.  For a quarian, especially her, that is the worst thing to ever be accused of.  And then the same man defends her, comforts her, and respects her wishes regarding her father's legacy.  And while doing all that he gets the charges dropped.  In doing that he does the one thing no other person has ever done, speaks to others about who she is and her strength and her value as a person.  I think it was at this point that she was past the point of no return regarding falling in love.  And then you have the romance proceed apace.

In ME3 she returns not as just a crew member but as a full Admiral that is very much Shepards equal where things count.  All of the original crew has "gorwn up" and is now the ones making the decisions. She is competent, and leading her people and an equal admiral.  And it weighs on her being respsonsible for so much.  And she did it as much for you as her people.  So she looks to the only man that accepts and can understand her.  And in turn she supports him as strongly.  She decides to not stay on Rannoch for multiple reasons.  Rannoch, as important as it is, represents a lot of pain as well for her.  She needs time to heal from what it meant to find it.  Between the loss of friends, her father, and Legion who sacrificed himself so his people could be free (I picked peace) and gain true awareness.  Then there is the man she loves who she wants to be with, she spent her whole life to that point living for other peoples needs and she realizes she cannot only do that anymore I think.  And hell with the Reapers having a good chance to wipe out everything like they do this might be her only chance to have the love she wants with the man she wants. 


A lot of the game she is working under her fathers shadow, trying to do what he would want and not her.  I think on Rannoch she finally realized she couldn't do that anymore.   The whole arc of her character from ME1 through 3 is about a young woman who fully matures and becomes not the Admiral's daughter but the Admiral.

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I didn't dream of Tali, but Daniel Radcliffe was present... which for me is better than Tali in a lot of ways. :whistle:

Ah yes, Mr. Potter... our new celebrity.

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Dilandau3000 wrote...

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I didn't dream of Tali, but Daniel Radcliffe was present... which for me is better than Tali in a lot of ways. :whistle:

Ah yes, Mr. Potter... our new celebrity.

I can teach you to bottle fame, brew glory, and even put a stopper in death...
Sorry I'm a bit of a nerd. B)

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Weirdest I can remember is being chased by dinosaurs in a library. That was definitely unsettling.

I didn't dream of Tali, but Daniel Radcliffe was present... which for me is better than Tali in a lot of ways. :whistle:



Actualy had a wierd one last night, me and tali needed a lift, and this army surplus SUV/Range Rover in olive green pulls up, it had the words military police crossed out with spray paint and somthing ironic that I cant remember painted next to it, and of course it had coloured stripes on the side RED BLUE and GREEN...

Also the back door kept opening so I had to hold on to tali so she would not fall out for the car...  :lol:

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@Biggles Your dreams seem to have symbolism... Which is very strange. My mind certainly isn't clever enough to come up with symbolism while unconscious.

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Fast forward two years to ME2.  She's grown up more, but in part lives by a mix of her own sense of responsiblity, a desire to please her father, and by the memory of the human commander who meant so much to her.  Seeing him brought a lot  of things back to her and even though she regretted it she did not join you at first.  Why?  Because of  the needs of her father and her people.  And then you meet again on what is arguably a ridiculously dangerous mission.  But once she had the chance to rejoin she did.  And then what happens?  She sees her father die and is accused of treason.  For a quarian, especially her, that is the worst thing to ever be accused of.  And then the same man defends her, comforts her, and respects her wishes regarding her father's legacy.  And while doing all that he gets the charges dropped.  In doing that he does the one thing no other person has ever done, speaks to others about who she is and her strength and her value as a person.  I think it was at this point that she was past the point of no return regarding falling in love.  And then you have the romance proceed apace.

"I did get better, Shepard. I got you."

You are undeniably right in that this is a pivotal point in her romance, that cements her feelings about Shepard and begins to give her an idea that it could be mutual.

It's also why I always use the paragon option there. As awesome as the "rally the crowd" option is (with Kal'Reegar and Veetor coming to her defence), Shepard personally defending her reputation is much more powerful for me.

Tali was so used to having people demand the impossible from her. Shepard still demanded excellence from her, but he let her stand on her own strengths rather than having to conform to some ideal like her father and most of the other quarians did. In many ways, this makes Shepard the anti-thesis of Tali's father and it's no wonder she fell for him.

Tali herself seems to realize this during the drunk scene in ME3. "My father would've hated you," she says right after ranting about how she wishes she could've stood up to him like Miranda. Coming from her at that moment, I can't think of higher praise.

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Sorry I'm a bit of a nerd. B)

With a handle like "gamer_girl" , who'd've thunk? Image IPB

Then again, a bit of nerdiness is something most people in this thread would appreciate in a girl, I would imagine. Image IPB

I've been known to quote Snape on occasion. Alan Rickman is one of the few people I can do a halfway-decent impression of. Image IPB

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I actually hate my username here and desperately want to change it. I only made it that because I honestly couldn't think of anything else, was to lazy to try to think of anything else, and just wanted to post on the ME2 boards.

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Well hyvää iltaa friends. I shall likely return when you are all asleep, I don't know, stupid time zones.

Keelah Se'lai and hold the line!

Hopefully I'll actually dream of Tali tonight :/

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gamer_girl wrote...

@Biggles Your dreams seem to have symbolism... Which is very strange. My mind certainly isn't clever enough to come up with symbolism while unconscious.




Ye, they are never usualy so vivid for me, probably don't get enough sleep.

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I actually hate my username here and desperately want to change it. I only made it that because I honestly couldn't think of anything else, was to lazy to try to think of anything else, and just wanted to post on the ME2 boards.


Haha I only just started using this username, I quite like it, as I love Skwisgaar (if you even know who he is :P). Better than the old crappy username I used to have for everything. I only joined here because my friend (the same one that got me into ME) mentioned a lot of stuff was going down on the forums. Foudn this thread, everything is win.

Yay top of the page finally
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Dilandau3000 wrote...
I've been known to quote Snape on occasion. Alan Rickman is one of the few people I can do a halfway-decent impression of.

I'd love to hear you say "Ob-viously" then. XD
According to people on this thread, I do a pretty solid Liara impression. And my friends think I do a great Hannibal Lecter.

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gamer_girl wrote...

I actually hate my username here and desperately want to change it. I only made it that because I honestly couldn't think of anything else, was to lazy to try to think of anything else, and just wanted to post on the ME2 boards.

I do on occasion regret naming myself after an androgenous teenage pyromaniac from an anime, but since my YouTube channel (link in sig) has gained some popularity I guess there's no changing it now. Image IPB

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You are undeniably right in that this is a pivotal point in her romance, that cements her feelings about Shepard and begins to give her an idea that it could be mutual.

It's also why I always use the paragon option there. As awesome as the "rally the crowd" option is (with Kal'Reegar and Veetor coming to her defence), Shepard personally defending her reputation is much more powerful for me.

Tali was so used to having people demand the impossible from her. Shepard still demanded excellence from her, but he let her stand on her own strengths rather than having to conform to some ideal like her father and most of the other quarians did. In many ways, this makes Shepard the anti-thesis of Tali's father and it's no wonder she fell for him.

Tali herself seems to realize this during the drunk scene in ME3. "My father would've hated you," she says right after ranting about how she wishes she could've stood up to him like Miranda. Coming from her at that moment, I can't think of higher praise.


Same here, the Paragon option just feels like the right one.  At this point it Shep is just pissed about the way the Admirialty Board is using Tali as a proxy fight and goes off.  They charge her, ambush her with her father's death, then basically call her incompetent all because they are arguing about going to war.  Screw them, and I did pick the "she's one of mine" option at the end too.

I didn't think about the deeper meaning of the "My father would have hated you" comment but you are correct I think.

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Side note: I'ma be on my xbox for a while so if anyone wants to play mp let me know. :)

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Why is it that Tali gets harbinged a lot in my game?
If she's ever in my party she gets knocked out by Harbinger, then in the suicide mission i accidently get her perma harbinged ;(

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Side note: I'ma be on my xbox for a while so if anyone wants to play mp let me know. :)



What is your GT?

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skwisgaarthegod wrote...

Haha I only just started using this username, I quite like it, as I love Skwisgaar (if you even know who he is :P). Better than the old crappy username I used to have for everything. I only joined here because my friend (the same one that got me into ME) mentioned a lot of stuff was going down on the forums. Foudn this thread, everything is win.


How could people not know the name of the guitar god? Gotta love Dethklok.

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Side note: I'ma be on my xbox for a while so if anyone wants to play mp let me know. :)

I'd join you, but unfortunately I'm on PC.

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Why is it that Tali gets harbinged a lot in my game?
If she's ever in my party she gets knocked out by Harbinger, then in the suicide mission i accidently get her perma harbinged ;(


She's rated as not very strong for the "hold the line" role. So if you take people that are rated strongly such as Grunt or Thane or Garrus with you, chances are she will get ganked. I think only Mordin is rated more vulnerable. So your best bet is to make sure she is with you for the final bit (and Mordin too if you didn't send him back with any surviving crew). Chikitika is actually handy for the last run anyway, plus, why wouldn't you want her at your side as you face potential death?

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Fenrisfil wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Why is it that Tali gets harbinged a lot in my game?
If she's ever in my party she gets knocked out by Harbinger, then in the suicide mission i accidently get her perma harbinged ;(


She's rated as not very strong for the "hold the line" role. So if you take people that are rated strongly such as Grunt or Thane or Garrus with you, chances are she will get ganked. I think only Mordin is rated more vulnerable. So your best bet is to make sure she is with you for the final bit (and Mordin too if you didn't send him back with any surviving crew). Chikitika is actually handy for the last run anyway, plus, why wouldn't you want her at your side as you face potential death?


She wasn't loyal :crying:

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Big-Boss687 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Side note: I'ma be on my xbox for a while so if anyone wants to play mp let me know. :)



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gamer_girl wrote...

Big-Boss687 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Side note: I'ma be on my xbox for a while so if anyone wants to play mp let me know. :)



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CuriousHouseElf


OK

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gamer_girl wrote...

Side note: I'ma be on my xbox for a while so if anyone wants to play mp let me know. :)



Could fancy a go, I have decided that my persoanal boycot of the multiplayer is not really being noticed so there is no point spiting myself, I only have this level 10 soldier though, would that hold you back too much?