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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

What it comes down to is the fact attractiveness is not based on looks. It's based on a combination of things. Beauty is not an objective experience.

The fact is, you do have to be attracted to your partner in some way for it to work as intended. You just have to. But you can be attracted to someone for a variety of reasons, all of which inherently make the person "beautiful".  And yes, one of the things that can make someone subjectively attractive is personality.

Looks are just one variable in the math of love.

hmmm well put.
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I thought Talis figure was hotter in ME1 than ME2.

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It is, but it's pretty accurate. It's more about what we're taught than how we actually act as individuals though. Society raises us with all these cues, and many go along for the ride and act as described in the article. Of course, we're not all like that because we're also born, as all people are, with the ability to analyse and think for ourselves. The article is proof of that.

society is not a person. We can change our own thoughts if only through will. Everything, even what we are is a choice.
"So a person thinks, so a person is"
Tali thinks, Tali is.
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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

Again though, personality is what matters for me. Looks are a plus.


Well, the problem is we've come to relegate attractiveness based on looks at a cultural level. You're actually coming off worse than what you probably mean by putting it like that. It's almost like saying "You're funny, but you look like a dog! But I can look past your glaring unattractiveness!"

What it comes down to is the fact attractiveness is not based on looks. It's based on a combination of things. Beauty is not an objective experience.

The fact is, you do have to be attracted to your partner in some way for it to work as intended. You just have to. But you can be attracted to someone for a variety of reasons, all of which inherently make the person "beautiful".  And yes, one of the things that can make someone subjectively attractive is personality.

Looks are just one variable in the math of love.



Very true.  Attraction is rarely a simply matter of the physical.  But it is a compenent.  I am sorry but no one could be in a serious relationship with someone that physically revolts them.   The thingabout Tali is she  offers a package deal that contains both aspects.  But as a character she was later written to be that kind of woman with the physical, mental, and emotional attributes to attract a portion of the playerbase. 

That's why I get people making the pictures of her they do that emphasize the sexual aspects of her nature.  Personally?  I prefer the one that are more inline to how she actually looks and don't need the emphasis but the best you can do is ignore the pics you don't like I guess.  That is what I do.

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Ryuji2 wrote...


There are...no words.
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But for now I'll have something light(or maybe even a soda or coffee or something caffeinated). I'm saving the harder stuff for later when I see what's in the commendation and victory packs, provided it's not another Crusader. :whistle:


*bows* I am humbled by your approval.

And another prairie coffee can boiling.

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Slink...
You're a dude, right? ;)

XD jks jks

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N7Kopper wrote...

I'll have myself a pint of lager.
Still re-reading sergio's sad story on page 1177...
Also finished resighting my rifle so...


Didn't you get a turian to calibrate it?

There are many sad stories out there. But there's still that glimpse of Tali that we have to cling on, lest we all despair.

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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

What it comes down to is the fact attractiveness is not based on looks. It's based on a combination of things. Beauty is not an objective experience.

The fact is, you do have to be attracted to your partner in some way for it to work as intended. You just have to. But you can be attracted to someone for a variety of reasons, all of which inherently make the person "beautiful".  And yes, one of the things that can make someone subjectively attractive is personality.

Looks are just one variable in the math of love.

Not just beauty. Emotions are all subjective. From base things like happiness, sadness, lust... (Rule 34 exists for a reason)
Philosophy. I could waste my life discussing it. Then I could waste my afterlife discussing it with Mordin.

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TrueMadayar wrote...

N7Kopper wrote...

I'll have myself a pint of lager.
Still re-reading sergio's sad story on page 1177...
Also finished resighting my rifle so...


Didn't you get a turian to calibrate it?

There are many sad stories out there. But there's still that glimpse of Tali that we have to cling on, lest we all despair.

Nope. Resighting is that thing Zaeed never had to do with Jesse.

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Life, love, and hope. <3

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EmperorZorn wrote...

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30.000 posts ! Woooohooo !!


And most of it about Tali !Image IPB

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YEAH DEBATES! On an odd sidenote, I found this pic by looking up info about Garrus. :blink: It's kinda cute, has someone from Animal Crossing in it I think.

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Ryuji2 wrote...


I see. Well you have my thanks regardless. *polite bow*

:lol:
cheers

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gamer_girl wrote...

Slink...
You're a dude, right? ;)

XD jks jks

Most men are better than portrayed by popular culture. Especially nerds, who also rule the world.

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Bfler wrote...

forthary wrote...


It's too bad there's no picture of Tali with angel wings, the picture would make her look great. 


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Our angel Tali !
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darthrevaninlight wrote...

Unschuld wrote...


It is, but it's pretty accurate. It's more about what we're taught than how we actually act as individuals though. Society raises us with all these cues, and many go along for the ride and act as described in the article. Of course, we're not all like that because we're also born, as all people are, with the ability to analyse and think for ourselves. The article is proof of that.

society is not a person. We can change our own thoughts if only through will. Everything, even what we are is a choice.
"So a person thinks, so a person is"
Tali thinks, Tali is.
seewatididthar


That's the point I was trying to get across. ;)

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darthrevaninlight wrote...

lomifeh wrote...

She talked about being the "Admiral's daughter" when stone cold sober to Shep in the beginning.  Also people tend to be more honest when drunk when talking about certain things.  The fact she got drunk in reaction to Miranda dealing with her father and seeing her own relationship with her father speaks volumes.

I don't doubt they loved each other.  But he didn't know how to show it well and in how he did show it, well it hurt her.  

Hmmmm
I just see it like: This is how love is in this world because the faults get in the way of what could be. I thought the relationship was good, all things considering.


I think I see what you mean, not sure I fully agree. I've seen someone try and live through their children so perhaps I am projecting that into it.  I do think at the least she had some unresolved things regarding her father though.  

As a side note, does anyone know where I can find a copy of the email Rael sends Shep?  I can't find it online and am not in a position to try and load it up on my xbox right now.

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lomifeh wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

Again though, personality is what matters for me. Looks are a plus.


Well, the problem is we've come to relegate attractiveness based on looks at a cultural level. You're actually coming off worse than what you probably mean by putting it like that. It's almost like saying "You're funny, but you look like a dog! But I can look past your glaring unattractiveness!"

What it comes down to is the fact attractiveness is not based on looks. It's based on a combination of things. Beauty is not an objective experience.

The fact is, you do have to be attracted to your partner in some way for it to work as intended. You just have to. But you can be attracted to someone for a variety of reasons, all of which inherently make the person "beautiful".  And yes, one of the things that can make someone subjectively attractive is personality.

Looks are just one variable in the math of love.



Very true.  Attraction is rarely a simply matter of the physical.  But it is a compenent.  I am sorry but no one could be in a serious relationship with someone that physically revolts them.   The thingabout Tali is she  offers a package deal that contains both aspects.  But as a character she was later written to be that kind of woman with the physical, mental, and emotional attributes to attract a portion of the playerbase. 

That's why I get people making the pictures of her they do that emphasize the sexual aspects of her nature.  Personally?  I prefer the one that are more inline to how she actually looks and don't need the emphasis but the best you can do is ignore the pics you don't like I guess.  That is what I do.


Yes and no. My point rests on the fact that one person can find someone revolting subjectively and the next can find them fascinating and beautiful. Because "attractiveness" and "physical appearence" are not the same concept. On a cultural level looks are very much apart of how we define attractiveness. And it's very very wrong.

Because I maintain that someone that society may consider "objectively" unattractiveness can very much find someone who thinks they are beautiful. Who is attracted to them. Maybe it's not because of their body. But because of their mind. Their heart. Their soul. Or whatever other countless ways a person can be influenced.

Call me a hopeless romantic and you might be right. I believe love can be found in many forms and in many ways. I think it's a mistake we try to shoehorn the experience of love into a single, defined concept. It's so abstract and variable it's practically impossible.

At the end of the day though I feel, regardless of outward appereance, somebody can find someone who they consider "beautiful" in every sense of the word. And they would be right. Subjectively.

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You're a dude, right? ;)

XD jks jks


So they tell me. But I remain hopeful that I am actually a sea turtle.

But perhaps a male sea turtle is OK too.

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Tom80 wrote...

Bfler wrote...

forthary wrote...


It's too bad there's no picture of Tali with angel wings, the picture would make her look great. 


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Our angel Tali !
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If the ending were good, I could see that as a "long and happy life lived, hero's rest" kind of thing.
As is - I think starving. Sorry. Can't help it. :crying:
Funny. Ending hasn't got to me this bad before.

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Can we not just agree that Tali has both a wonderful personality, AND a wonderful body?

She has the best personality out of any LI, which is why I wanted her since ME1 (I just didn't romance anyone else and pretended she WAS an LI).

Then, as it turns out, she also has the best body in the game (Miranda looks like a half-melted barbie, and Jack looks like a...well, not a lady.)

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Olueq wrote...

I thought Talis figure was hotter in ME1 than ME2.


Agreed.

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Hard to compete with this.
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Silvair wrote...

Can we not just agree that Tali has both a wonderful personality, AND a wonderful body?

She has the best personality out of any LI, which is why I wanted her since ME1 (I just didn't romance anyone else and pretended she WAS an LI).

Then, as it turns out, she also has the best body in the game (Miranda looks like a half-melted barbie, and Jack looks like a...well, not a lady.)


Sounds good to me.  I do find it amusing that they picked a beauty pageant winner/super model type for her face.  The one character throughout the games that draws you in purely through her personality and voice acting just happens to be smoking hot under that mask.

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So... went away for a bit, many pages on. Wondering what I've walked back in to... Do I even need to address these things?

Well for the record I was into Tali's personality before I started paying any attention to her butt. That is usually how it works. But I'm not surprised that fan art can objectify her, nor do I object. The whole benefit of fan art is that you can do what you like with it, and people often do.

I don't object if the face doesn't look the way I expect either. There is a great variety of faces for Tali pre-dating the reveal and even some after the reveal where fans have simply decided they liked their own image better (this whole purple skin thing seems to relate to that as I haven't seen any actual evidence of it). That's all fine. I appreciate the effort anyone goes to in posting their creation here.

Now as for men acting in a way that seems shallow and predictable. To be fair, women can be plenty shallow themselves (in many case more so), they just tend to be a little more sophisticated about it. It's all pretty harmless when talking fantasy. For relationships though personality is much more important (attraction, providing some exists, always increases over time when the personalities click) and I think most people know that, regardless of how they may regard the picture of someones butt.

Right so next topic, I think was daddy issues? Let me grab my monocle.

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Shepard: What quarian is that, with doth enrich the hall of yonder citadel?

Garrus: I know not, friend.

Shepard: O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night like a rich jewel in an Asari's ear.  Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear! So shows a snowy dove trooping with crows, as yonder lady o'er her fellows shows. The measure done, I'll watch her place of stand, and, toughing hers, make blessed my rude hand. Did my heart love till now? Forswear it, sight! For I ne'er saw true beauty till this night.

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Why do you think she has daddy issues? Because I don't see it.

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gamer_girl wrote...

Why do you think she has daddy issues? Because I don't see it.


I can fill that in. I just talked to her back in ME1. She really complaints about her dad being so hard on her, and never showing love, she respects him, but doesn't love him, she says so, but she's lyyyyying. She has issues there. And in ME3 she drinks on them.