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[Quole]

Tali has a hell of a figure. Just saying.

Modifié par Quole, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:50 .

[GasFox]

Quole wrote...






Tali has a hell of a figure. Just saying.

Agree. She is so cute.

Modifié par GasFox, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:15 .

[sites32]

Quole wrote...






Tali has a hell of a figure. Just saying.

YEP! that mod suit really shows off her features.

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

Still not seeing how lobotomising and re-enslaving a sentient species is a positive character trait.

Said the Paragon.

Xen doesn't regard the geth as anything more than machines. Rewriting them is trivial. Even Legion agrees.

Legion agrees with rewriting the Geth heretics as that's a reasonable way to make them "change their minds" (pun intended ), organics require time, effort and pondering over one's choices, machines just require modifying data: they'll still be free and sapient, but reach different conclusions...

He is however pretty much against any plan that involves Geth re-enslavement or them loosing their sentience and sapience... So I guess he'll also oppose any plan that uses rewrite as a way to achieve those goals...

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

From the Heretics' perspective what difference does it make if it is the orthodox geth or Xen rewriting them? Either way their minds have been caged.

In regards to the top pic...

Quite snug, in all the right places.

The Orthodox geth will reintegrate them as equals and allow them to retain their free will in reaching other conclusions, they just think differently... Xen will not, on both accounts...

Agreed about the top pic...

[The Elder King]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

He is however pretty much against any plan that involves Geth re-enslavement or them loosing their sentience and sapience... So I guess he'll also oppose any plan that uses rewrite as a way to achieve those goals...

Yeah, unless it is "his people" that are doing it.

In truth, it didn't want to change the Heretics. It didn't reach consensus. Shepard decided to rewrite the Geth.
He wanted to stop the Heretics to rewrite the Geth. It was "shocked" to discover that the heretics spied the Geth. It, and the Geth, didn't want to do this. It was an extreme solution, and he did it to preserve its own race.
Xen wants to rewrite the Geth to have a enourmous army. And I guess that she'll not be satisfied the heretics alone. But from your post is clear that you have a different opinion about the Geth than I have.
At least agree with you that there isn't a big difference between Rael and Xen.

edit: I agree with Pride Demon's last post.

Modifié par hhh89, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:39 .

[StellarMagic]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

He is however pretty much against any plan that involves Geth re-enslavement or them loosing their sentience and sapience... So I guess he'll also oppose any plan that uses rewrite as a way to achieve those goals...

Yeah, unless it is "his people" that are doing it.

From the Heretics' perspective what difference does it make if it is the orthodox geth or Xen rewriting them? Either way their minds have been caged.

In regards to the top pic...

Quite snug, in all the right places.

Tali: I can hear you...
*Gabby slaps Ken.*

God, the Engineering Department it's such a fun place to be.

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...


The Orthodox geth will reintegrate them as equals and allow them to retain their free will in reaching other conclusions,

You're too funny.

You'll be the first to find me funny...
Ps. I like your snarky attitude...

[sites32]

Ok question to anyone curious to see results. Which option did you choose destruction of the heretics or rewrite, Also did you choose out of sympathy to rewrite, or you think it might make tali happy and destroy the Geth vessel?

[Pride Demon]

sitesunseen wrote...

Ok question to anyone curious to see results. Which option did you choose destruction of the heretics or rewrite, Also did you choose out of sympathy to rewrite, or you think it might make tali happy and destroy the Geth vessel?

I did both... Depends on the Shep really... Don't ask me to tell you which decision I choose more often I really don't remember...
I can tell you in my first playthrough (that I think of as my "main" canon) I rewrote them, though...

[Quole]

sitesunseen wrote...

Ok question to anyone curious to see results. Which option did you choose destruction of the heretics or rewrite, Also did you choose out of sympathy to rewrite, or you think it might make tali happy and destroy the Geth vessel?

I destroyed the geth. I felt that no matter what I did, it would make little difference because they only comprised a small portion of the geth.

[JustAFerret]

StellarMagic wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

He is however pretty much against any plan that involves Geth re-enslavement or them loosing their sentience and sapience... So I guess he'll also oppose any plan that uses rewrite as a way to achieve those goals...

Yeah, unless it is "his people" that are doing it.

From the Heretics' perspective what difference does it make if it is the orthodox geth or Xen rewriting them? Either way their minds have been caged.

In regards to the top pic...

Quite snug, in all the right places.

Tali: I can hear you...
*Gabby slaps Ken.*

God, the Engineering Department it's such a fun place to be.

Yes it is. The engineers are my favorite non-squadmates. It's even better when Tali tags along for poker.

[Gust4v]

I don't see a problem with Tali + renegade Shep. The base of the 2 Shepard's "personalities" are the same, and every sane person has a soft spot. Also, some of Tali's romance lines change depending of your ME1 actions.

And Tali has a renegade side too.
If I remember correctly, the paragon to renegade list in ME1 is this:
Liara->Kaidan->Tali->Ashley->Garrus->Wrex
She is in the middle.

Heh, I like how Tali, with her sweet voice, subtly suggested me to kill the Rachni queen with an acid bath.

Saphra Deden wrote...
As I said a few pages back Tali is being a bit of a hypocrite in her dismissal of Xen whilst revering her father.

Those are two different things, she loved her father but she didn't support his experiments.

-----
About the Heretic's base. I always blow it up. It's the safest solution.

[JustAFerret]

sitesunseen wrote...

Ok question to anyone curious to see results. Which option did you choose destruction of the heretics or rewrite, Also did you choose out of sympathy to rewrite, or you think it might make tali happy and destroy the Geth vessel?

Despite respecting Tali immensely, I rewrote the geth. It wasn't because of sympathy, it was for preparation. It didn't matter if the heretics were a small faction. I go by the saying "Every little bit helps."
Of course, Tali disagreed. We had conflicting opions but I hope that, in the end, she'll atleast understand why my Shepard did what he did.

[JustAFerret]

Xen is mad, but I have to admit, she has ambition. She is dedicated to her cause and most likely has the means to do it. It may be a problem, it may not. It's clear that Tali doesn't support what Xen is doing because it may trigger something rather...unwanted. Frankly I agree with her. But whatever happens, I'll deal with it accordingly.

[Weiser_Cain]

sitesunseen wrote...

Ok question to anyone curious to see results. Which option did you choose destruction of the heretics or rewrite, Also did you choose out of sympathy to rewrite, or you think it might make tali happy and destroy the Geth vessel?

Tali didn't factor into my decision to potentially ally with the geth by rewriting the 'heretics'. There's a war coming and that's one less group to convince to help us and one less resource for the reapers side if Legion was telling the truth.

[HellBovine]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes, and that love has turned her into a hypocrite. She won't allow her father's to pay for his crimes but she'll gladly insult Xen for her views, despite Xen giving her no reason to do so. Tali is rather rude to her. If Rael doesn't deserve to have all the good he's done wiped away then neither should Xen.

Problem with that argument is that Rael is no longer able to go along with his plans, and him getting labled a traitor would change absolutely nothing but his reputation. Xen would continue with her plans regardless of Rael's post data-reveal reputation.

I can see Tali arguing against him if he was still alive, but no point spittin on his grave if theres no positve outcome to gain from it.

[sites32]

I always wondered if legion is holding back information about Geth. Many assume Geth cannot lie, that they are machines and don't understand the concept of disception, but when tali had her back turned it began to scan her omni-tool. It claims it wanted to inform the Geth about tali's fathers experiments. But WHY with no prior knowledge did legion begin scanning anything?

[AnimaTempli101]

sitesunseen wrote...

I always wondered if legion is holding back information about Geth. Many assume Geth cannot lie, that they are machines and don't understand the concept of disception, but when tali had her back turned it began to scan her omni-tool. It claims it wanted to inform the Geth about tali's fathers experiments. But WHY with no prior knowledge did legion begin scanning anything?

In terms of Legion withholding info about the Geth:

No crap. He runs on the old game dialogue system of "Ask a question get an answer." (go away Mad Hermit!) Unfortunately for us Shepard doesn't have the option "Tell me everything about you and your race." The only time he refuses to answer is when talking about why he used Shep's N7 armour to fix himself. I interpret that as he himself has no idea (i.e He's gaining more salience and as such is discovering illogical/impulsive action)

As to Legion scanning Tali's omnitool:

Why does he do it?

He's the only contact the Geth have outside the Perseus Veil (I think). I wouldn't be surprised if he sent back Gardner's recipe for calamari gumbo!

How does he know data about Rael's experiments are on there? Umm...Ship gossip?

Modifié par AnimaTempli101, 28 juillet 2011 - 12:28 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

There really isn't any.

"But it allows the Quarians to retake their homeworld without bloodshed."

So would stop trying to eradicate the Geth and actually talking to them.

The Quarians have a very good reason for not considering this as an option. The Geth have killed every organic being that's ever tried to contact them. Tali says this herself in ME1.
 

The only exception was Saren. Even then, the only reason they didn't kill him was because he was with Sovereign.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 28 juillet 2011 - 12:32 .