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[iwillkillfortali]

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

LOL I almost spit out my drink laughing at these pictures.

Is mine funny

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This is mine

[XenoAlbedo]

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

LOL I almost spit out my drink laughing at these pictures.

Is mine funny

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I do believe your comment was stolen good sir.

[WizenSlinky0]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

I take offense to the statement it is implied in the current end.

One thing I wish to say, having followed Merizan's twitter for a while, is that when she says that it's implied that's her opinion. She's not aware of the writers' intent (or at least she wasn't before and has said that she believes the crew survives before).

Merizan believes the ending implies that because that's how she interpreted the ending when she first saw it back in January, without being told anything by the developers.

And I happen to agree with her: logic suggests they must be close enough to earth to be rescued by conventional FTL.

Logic does not dictate that at least from my point of view. For several reasons.

1.) The situation at earth- Earth even in the best ending is massively damaged. Food is scarce and they are cut off from the galactic supply lines. You think they have time to send ships searching for the normandy? They need troops to keep order, they have allies who are away from home, going to run low on supplies, and get very desperate. It's like a cold war around Earth. Each side waiting to see if the others break ranks and do something drastic.

2.) The situation with the normandy- Now only was the normandy tossed through the network by previously unseen space magic, eliminating any conventional knowledge of relays we could conceivably apply, but it was heavily damaged and barely operational. There is a good chance any distress beacon would be rendered non-functional. Even assuming it is our knowledge in how communication devices like that work without comm bueys and such is highly limited. Yes, we know there is time-delay communications avaliable. But we don't know how much tech along the lines of distress beacons has grown dependent on mass relays.

3.) FTL as rescue- The normandy is a small frigate built for stealth. Which means, other than the massive space taken up by the eezo core, it is likely built to smaller designs (even in the cerberus version). Bigger is not better for stealth ships. Which means the amount of food rations would be limited to what space dictates and would likely be smaller than traditional vessels. The small crew size further decreases the need for extensive food supplies and the food supplies for dextro's would be VERY LIMITED. Probably to a few months.

FTL travel is unlikely to allow them to reach them before maltrutition begins to set in. If not starvation.


This is why the most logical and statistically probable conclusion is NOT what they are telling it is. It is NOT implied. If what they are saying is what they INTENDED and designed on storyboard I'm fine with that. But they are telling me an ending is implied, that simply, is not unless you have the knowledge of being in Bioware. Of having first hand knowledge of the development. Or being an unyielding and unrealistic optimist.

They could have just left it at "no one starves". They didn't have to insinuate, yet again, that I apparently am not getting what they are telling me is glaringly obvious. Because I am quite confident that I am not.

...Now, as for Tali, her tush is quite nice.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 06 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[Nkromelow]

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

LOL I almost spit out my drink laughing at these pictures.

Is mine funny

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I wonder what his comment was...

[forthary]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

...Now, as for Tali, her tush is quite nice.

Sure it is.  But I think the priiiize is her personality.  Her passion for you, respect, trust, and...fear of spiders that originated from being decapitated by one in Dead Space.

[WizenSlinky0]

forthary wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

...Now, as for Tali, her tush is quite nice.

Sure it is.  But I think the priiiize is her personality.  Her passion for you, respect, trust, and...fear of spiders that originated from being decapitated by one in Dead Space.

I said her tush is quite nice.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

forthary wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

...Now, as for Tali, her tush is quite nice.

Sure it is.  But I think the priiiize is her personality.  Her passion for you, respect, trust, and...fear of spiders that originated from being decapitated by one in Dead Space.

I said her tush is quite nice.

Aww, what a cute song.  Haha, Tali is awesome.

[Dilandau3000]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

1.) The situation at earth- Earth even in the best ending is massively damaged. Food is scarce and they are cut off from the galactic supply lines. You think they have time to send ships searching for the normandy? They need troops to keep order, they have allies who are away from home, going to run low on supplies, and get very desperate. It's like a cold war around Earth. Each side waiting to see if the others break ranks and do something drastic.

There are like 12 different alien fleets at earth, and the Normandy is legendary. They'd probably be fighting over who gets the rights to rescue them.

2.) The situation with the normandy- Now only was the normandy tossed through the network by previously unseen space magic, eliminating any conventional knowledge of relays we could conceivably apply, but it was heavily damaged and barely operational. There is a good chance any distress beacon would be rendered non-functional. Even assuming it is our knowledge in how communication devices like that work without comm bueys and such is highly limited. Yes, we know there is time-delay communications avaliable. But we don't know how much tech along the lines of distress beacons has grown dependent on mass relays.

Regular FTL communications depends on the mass relays, but don't forget about the QEC, which allows instant communication without any intermediary hardware. As long as that's still functioning, they can signal for help.

I happen to know that Merizan believes the Normandy wasn't even using the relay network, but she's demonstrably wrong about that: at regular FTL speeds, the Normandy would barely have made it out of the solar system. Even Alpha Centauri is 8 hours away at those speeds. In my mind, they wanted to evade the crucible's energy, and hit the relay just seconds before the energy did. Ergo, they are somewhere between the Charon and Arcturus relay. They may have been knocked of course a bit, but there's nothing to imply they were thrown hundreds or thousands of light-years away, and I don't see why we should infer the worst-case scenario in the absence of evidence either way.

3.) FTL as rescue- The normandy is a small frigate built for stealth. Which means, other than the massive space taken up by the eezo core, it is likely built to smaller designs (even in the cerberus version). Bigger is not better for stealth ships. Which means the amount of food rations would be limited to what space dictates and would likely be smaller than traditional vessels. The small crew size further decreases the need for extensive food supplies and the food supplies for dextro's would be VERY LIMITED. Probably to a few months.

FTL travel is unlikely to allow them to reach them before maltrutition begins to set in. If not starvation.

Regular FTL is "about a dozen light-years per day" according to the codex and a few statements in game. That means that they could be a 100ly away and it would still take only a few days to reach them, even allowing for core discharge.

This is why the most logical and statistically probable conclusion is NOT what they are telling it is. It is NOT implied. If what they are saying is what they INTENDED and designed on storyboard I'm fine with that. But they are telling me an ending is implied, that simply, is not unless you have the knowledge of being in Bioware. Of having first hand knowledge of the development. Or being an unyielding and unrealistic optimist.

Then by your definitions Merizan must be an optimist, because she has repeatedly stated she came to this conclusion before talking to the developers and I see no reason why she would lie to us about that, considering she has been the most open and honest of all BioWare's employees throughout this whole mess.

They could have just left it at "no one starves". They didn't have to insinuate, yet again, that I apparently am not getting what they are telling me is glaringly obvious. Because I am quite confident that I am not.

Who are "they"? I gave you a statement by Merizan, and I've already said she speaks for her own opinion only.

Personally, I don't like the ending, but I see no reason to make it worse by assuming the worst, especially when it really gives no evidence either way.

[Cro730]

^ that is too much for me to read. I will instead look at this

[forthary]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Personally, I don't like the ending, but I see no reason to make it worse by assuming the worst, especially when it really gives no evidence either way.

I suppose it could be worse...I just don't know how.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

High EMS is impossible without multiplayer... which means I would need to use my 2 day free pass of Xbox Live and pray that it's enough.

Not impossible. Just very hard.

Just as that horrible match.

I usually am great at all games I've played recently. Didn't play ME3 in awhile so I did terribad.

And my quarian had been reset to a level 1.

Doesn't that just sting when it happens 

[iwillkillfortali]

Cro730 wrote...

^ that is too much for me to read. I will instead look at this

How come Tali is slim?

[Messier87]

Those gifs were hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, guys.

[Nkromelow]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

^ that is too much for me to read. I will instead look at this

How come Tali is slim?

99.9% of Quarians are probably slim due to the fact that nutripaste wouldn't be fattening, so they can't get fat easily.

[MadCat221]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

How come Tali is slim?

Because it emphasizes dem hipz.


With the weapon loadout screen now presenting a back profile of every character, I noticed something when comparing Ash's and Tali's figure in those screens...

Tali's hips aren't necessarily wide, but her waistline is quite narrow.

[Dilandau3000]

Nkromelow wrote...

99.9% of Quarians are probably slim due to the fact that nutripaste wouldn't be fattening, so they can't get fat easily.

Everybody in the ME universe is slim though (except the Volus).

[Nkromelow]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Nkromelow wrote...

99.9% of Quarians are probably slim due to the fact that nutripaste wouldn't be fattening, so they can't get fat easily.

Everybody in the ME universe is slim though (except the Volus).

I was just applying logic for a reasonable answer.
For the other species though, the reason is probably less simple.

[Dilandau3000]

Nkromelow wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Nkromelow wrote...

99.9% of Quarians are probably slim due to the fact that nutripaste wouldn't be fattening, so they can't get fat easily.

Everybody in the ME universe is slim though (except the Volus).

I was just applying logic for a reasonable answer.
For the other species though, the reason is probably less simple.

Genetic engineering has probably improved metabolisms making it much harder to get fat.

[Nkromelow]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Nkromelow wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Nkromelow wrote...

99.9% of Quarians are probably slim due to the fact that nutripaste wouldn't be fattening, so they can't get fat easily.

Everybody in the ME universe is slim though (except the Volus).

I was just applying logic for a reasonable answer.
For the other species though, the reason is probably less simple.

Genetic engineering has probably improved metabolisms making it much harder to get fat.

Yeah, makes sense.

[WizenSlinky0]

I'm going to respond one more time out of respect and if you want to discuss it further you can PM me. This isn't really the place for this.

Dilandau3000 wrote...

There are like 12 different alien fleets at earth, and the Normandy is legendary. They'd probably be fighting over who gets the rights to rescue them.

Exactly. That's a lot of fleets. A lot of races. Some of which have alliances that are fragile at best. Your faith is far too strong in a hastily put together alliance. With the greater threat gone you should expect, by human nature, the more oppurtunist and desperate groups to have to consider more drastic options as resources dwindle. The Sol system is devestated. It cannot sustain that population even for a short period of time.

I'd be hugely surprised if they made the normandy priority one unless Shepard lived and pushed for it (which is only one ending). It goes against everything I've ever observed about human nature.

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Regular FTL communications depends on the mass relays, but don't forget about the QEC, which allows instant communication without any intermediary hardware. As long as that's still functioning, they can signal for help.

I happen to know that Merizan believes the Normandy wasn't even using the relay network, but she's demonstrably wrong about that: at regular FTL speeds, the Normandy would barely have made it out of the solar system. Even Alpha Centauri is 8 hours away at those speeds. In my mind, they wanted to evade the crucible's energy, and hit the relay just seconds before the energy did. Ergo, they are somewhere between the Charon and Arcturus relay. They may have been knocked of course a bit, but there's nothing to imply they were thrown hundreds or thousands of light-years away, and I don't see why we should infer the worst-case scenario in the absence of evidence either way.

The QEC is highly unlikely to survive that crash. It may, but I'm not discussing whether or not it IS a possibility. But what is the most LIKELY outcome which is what would be implied. The battle over the collector base sustained much less noticable damage than what we see in ME3 and the QEC room was all but collapsed in on itself, functional, but barely in this posters opinion.

You can't imply the least likely outcome. It's impossible. To be implied the evidence has to match it. I'd reason it doesn't.

I'm not infering the worst-case scenario for the sake of infering it. I'm using their evidence to determine the most likely outcome. Whether it's the actual outcome is irrelevent. The fact is what we saw does not match up with what I've seen of relay travel especially with the unknown of the cruicible energy thrown in. It could have pushed the relay into hyperdrive, supplying it with enough energy to catapult the normandy massively off course. This is only a likely scenario because they never once explained what the crucible does. Not even the characters in the game knew. It's a huge unknown.

Dilandau3000 wrote...
Regular FTL is "about a dozen light-years per day" according to the codex and a few statements in game. That means that they could be a 100ly away and it would still take only a few days to reach them, even allowing for core discharge.

See above.

Dilandau3000 wrote...
Then by your definitions Merizan must be an optimist, because she has repeatedly stated she came to this conclusion before talking to the developers and I see no reason why she would lie to us about that, considering she has been the most open and honest of all BioWare's employees throughout this whole mess.

She is. I respect her and her opinions but I don't really trust her. Nor do I believe that conclusion is anything except over the top optimism when it comes to the "most likely" scenario. It is, of course, one of many POTENTIAL outcomes. But for something to be implied it must, again, be the most likely.

Dilandau3000 wrote...
Who are "they"? I gave you a statement by Merizan, and I've already said she speaks for her own opinion only.

Personally, I don't like the ending, but I see no reason to make it worse by assuming the worst, especially when it really gives no evidence either way.

And her opinion is biased. For one, she has utter faith in the company she works for (hopefully), this immediatly colors her judgement to assume the "best-case" scenario.

I'm not making it worse. I don't care either way. But my analytical and information synthesis abilities are one of the very few things I believe I'm good at. And I don't appreciate being told essentially "I don't get it".

And so I feel less guilty for sidetracking people...

http://imageshack.us...uandloveme.jpg/

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 06 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[iwillkillfortali]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Silky Y U Talk So MUCH:D

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 06 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[WizenSlinky0]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Silky Y U Talk So MUCH:D

Because I'm a analytical thinker who, when serious, tends to have a lot to say

The forums are not behaving for me and my image link in the edit box keeps disappearing so I can't even edit it. So I give up on that part.

[Cro730]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

*snip*

Silky Y U Talk So MUCH:D

YES

[iwillkillfortali]

Cro730 wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

*snip*

Silky Y U Talk So MUCH:D

YES

I know Vright

[Nkromelow]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

*stfuandlovemesnip*

Sure, will do.
Garrus can be on reporter watch with his sniper, so we don't get interupted.