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[DoNotIngest]

Hellbound555 wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

It's Popular Mechanics... and that's what they printed, not specifically what was said. If you read close you notice there have obviously been a few tweaks for political correctness. Like removing "Reaper" from the talk of Sovereign.

i was wondering that actually. tali KNOWS that sovereign was a reaper. i thought it was writer error but no. it was poly-ticking.

fun fact: Politic.
Poli-tic.
Poly=many
tic=bloodsucking insect
politics = many bloodsucking insects.

Just like therapist. The-rapist.


WE KNOW, KELLY. WE KNOW EVERYTHING.




Oh... And... Um... I liked Garrus' armour colour better in ME2. Hope Tali keeps her colour scheme, I think they've just about nailed it.

[StellarMagic]

Well... we have a couple references to the cultural effects. Linking of suit environments for example, but despite Tali being the quarian codex in ME1 we didn't get much more detail then that.

However, we can extrapolate from what is known and come to some conclusions.

1. Quarians are primarily monogamous (Humans aren't nearly as monogamous as we'd like to claim), likely one mate for life due to the difficulty of both adjusting to the bacteria present in other members of their own species (hence the linking of suit environments) and the dangers inherent in sexual contact due to their weaken immune system.

2. The inability to read expressions due to the visors has lead to Quarians be more emotive in both speech and body language.

3. The inability to kiss loved ones will result in a symbolic means to relay the same meaning despite the suit. Most FF writers go with visor touches as the most obvious means of relaying this.

4. Lack of access to clean rooms for sexual release and the dangers of sexual contact has led to the widespread use of nerve stimulation programs by both males and females. Even Tali uses one.

Some physiological results of long term suited life.

1. Significant increase in sensitivity to touch due to the deadening of such sensations through the suit. Like a blind man hearing better then normal their brain has conditioned itself to compensate for the suit. You can come up with your own ideas on how this affects Tali and Shepard's pre-Omega 4 time together...

2. Epidermal effects... Suffice to say having lived in a skin tight suit all your life is going to affect your skin... how exactly is something that can be debated round and round since we don't know Quarian biochemistry that well.

3. Photo-sensitivity... The visor is tinted and it's always on. This leads to sensitivity to light if removed, but this may actually have always been a physiological aspect of Quarian biology. Hence the glowing or eyeshine.

Modifié par StellarMagic, 28 juillet 2011 - 06:23 .

[paudson]

StellarMagic wrote...

Well... we have a couple references to the cultural effects. Linking of suit environments for example, but despite Tali being the quarian codex in ME1 we didn't get much more detail then that.

However, we can extrapolate from what is known and come to some conclusions.

1. Quarians are primarily monogamous (Humans aren't nearly as monogamous as we'd like to claim), likely one mate for life due to the difficulty of both adjusting to the bacteria present in other members of their own species (hence the linking of suit environments) and the dangers inherent in sexual contact due to their weaken immune system.

2. The inability to read expressions due to the visors has lead to Quarians be more emotive in both speech and body language.

3. The inability to kiss loved ones will result in a symbolic means to relay the same meaning despite the suit. Most FF writers go with visor touches as the most obvious means of relaying this.

4. Lack of access to clean rooms for sexual release and the dangers of sexual contact has led to the widespread use of nerve stimulation programs by both males and females. Even Tali uses one.

Some physiological results of long term suited life.

1. Significant increase in sensitivity to touch due to the deadening of such sensations through the suit. Like a blind man hearing better then normal their brain has conditioned itself to compensate for the suit. You can come up with your own ideas on how this affects Tali and Shepard's pre-Omega 4 time together...

2. Epidermal effects... Suffice to say having lived in a skin tight suit all your life is going to affect your skin... how exactly is something that can be debated round and round since we don't know Quarian biochemistry that well.

3. Photo-sensitivity... The visor is tinted and it's always on. This leads to sensitivity to light if removed, but this may actually have always been a physiological aspect of Quarian biology. Hence the glowing or eyeshine.

The physichal ones we can't really be sure since we have never seen a quarian out side their suit. But the physichal drawback's do make sence.

Modifié par paudson, 28 juillet 2011 - 06:39 .

[GoG ToXiC]

Terumitsu wrote...
Also, since I'm quoting you, Mr. Magic, I believe I owe you an apology for not looking at your writing. Now, don't take this the wrong way but I just can't read fan fics. It just messes with my head cannon when I do so. I don't look down on the act itself as I see it as just another way that fans can use to 'get inside' the heads of various characters which can lead to better understanding of motives and so on which can then lead to better appreciation based on said understanding... And I think I'm rambling here. I hope you understand what I'm getting at.

Anyway, if you have any other writings laying around, might it be possible to send them my way as it seems from the reactions of the other posters here that you are quite talented and I am interested in checking that out.

I know what you mean.  I've started writing fanfics myself, but they never star any characters from the games, I just use the ME universe.  Whenever I try and write something involving my favourite characters, I'm literally terrified that I'll screw up the character.  This mentality also carries through to the things I read.  I read very few fanfics, StellarMagic's being the only one right now.  What I love about his is that they stay so true to the characters personality, and the main plotline of the game, it's like they were a part of the game from the very beginning.  So many other's that I've started to read, the characters have just seemed off.  I would encourage you to at least give it a try if you haven't all ready. 

Modifié par GoG ToXiC, 28 juillet 2011 - 07:07 .

[StellarMagic]

Thanks, I try...

I think ElectricZ comes pretty close to nailing Tali most of the time, though he may crank the hero-worship of Shepard up a bit further then needed.

In ME1 it's actually much harder to nail most of the characters. Ashley is tough to write for, Tali is alright so long as you remember her competence level, most people make her far to much the damsel in distress in ME1. Remember she hunted down geth before you met her... XP

The bit that will be hard to handle will be the time between ME1 and ME2... Tali changes quite a bit then. She starts cursing (I just make it so she still curses but does so in her head earlier) and seems a bit more worn down when you meet her. A lot of the naivety has burned away.

[Havoc10K]

Um, guys, please return to topic, you went far off from it.

[GoG ToXiC]

Havoc10K wrote...

Um, guys, please return to topic, you went far off from it.

I don't really see how we went FAR off topic.  Maybe a bit, but we were talking about fanfics involving Tali.

[Capt_Flashheart]

I'd like to give a few reasons for why I think the Quarians haven't tried to attack the Geth use EMPs as their secret weapon. Assuming Geth haven't built EMP shielding into their hardware platforms, they could be damaged by EMP blasts, but I think we're over estimating how practical they are.

The first problem with EMP weapons is that they can't be used effectively outside of a planet's magnetic field and atmosphere. An EMP detonated in open space would do virtually nothing, so they're not very useful in space combat.

Secondly, an EMP uses a lot of gamma rays (the rays create free electrons from in the atmosphere which then interact with the planet's magnetic field to create an electromagnetic field). The gamma rays would make any infantry portable EMP weapon a double edged sword, eventually killing the user. EMPs will also short out friendly electronics.

Thirdly, the only thing powerful enough to generate an EMP capable of affecting a continent sized area is a nuclear explosion. Non nuclear EMPs are literally millions of times less powerful to the point where much cheaper conventional explosive weapons would just as effective at killing the Geth.

If you take Tali and Legion to Tuckanka and talk to Legion, Tali will say that the Quarians didn't use weapons of mass destrucion during the Mourning war because they didn't want to destroy their worlds. The Quarians won't use nuclear EMPs on their homeworld because they know the nuclear fallout would destroy the planet's environment.

So basically, EMPs could be useful to the Quarians when they want to take out a bunch of Geth in a small area without damaging infrasture, but they're not something that can be used to effortlessly beat the Geth in any situation.

[Havoc10K]

The biggest reason why Quarrians don't want to use EMP on GETH is because GETH are cheap labor and military force build by and for quarrians, that didn't change and they want it back in their control. Using EMP weapons would completely destroy GETH structure as software, making them useless for Quarrians.

And yes, you guys are off topic a lot, this is Tali support thread, and just putting her name here and there while talking about Legion and quarrians war with the Geth is not making it an ON TOPIC discussion.

[Deanooo]

I don't think all Geth support having the Geth be there's again, some would rather destroy them, so necassarily that's not true.

Modifié par xii_deano, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:36 .

[sliverofamoon]

Tali is THE ME romance for me, be it 1, 2, or 3! Hope she's a squadmate and a romance in ME3! Just my vote.
Tali, to me, is the most fleshed out character of the team, and I play a male shep. even being female, just to romance Tali.

[Webkahve]

[Havoc10K]

^ cool

[MegaTommy]

Hips not wide enough! :<
J/k it's nice .

[StellarMagic]

I must have a real scatterbrain... been working on the Tali-Shepard romance scenes. Tali has so much dialog in those it's really quite funny. Shepard says one line and she responds with like six... usually stuttering half the time.

"I'm still nervous and it always makes me talk to much..."
*D'aww... sounds like me most of the time I talk to someone I'm interested in. Funny, Tali's POV seems more interesting usually in these scenes since she's terrified, worked herself up into talking him out of his interest, or a bit... loopy from a fever.

"Come on you bosh'tet!" Tali jumped as she heard the hatch hiss open behind her and spun, deactivating her omnitool in a hurry. "Oh, sorry." She sighed and looked at Shepard as he arched an eyebrow. "I've got a small fever, and I'm taking it out on the poor drive core." A smile slid across her lips as she saw the sudden look of concern and cut off his response. "Don't worry, it's nothing serious. Just got sloppy while doing some suit repair."

Shepard sighed. "You could have used the airlock or asked for a sterilization unit from Doctor Chakwas, it'd have been safer."

Tali's head dropped and she sighed. "I know, I wasn't thinking straight." Her hands knitted together nervously. "I don't know what's gotten into me. Sometimes I have trouble concentrating, like something is missing. I don't know." She laughed. "The fever isn't helping."

"What you catch, or is it an allergic reaction?"

"Just an allergic reaction, I wasn't anywhere near Garrus when I did the repairs." She laughed. "It's funny you know the whole Fleet and Flotilla movie? It's actually more dangerous for us to be with a turian then any other species. We can get real illnesses plus allergic reactions, two for one. I guess the writers didn't think about that. I heard the writer was a human so she didn't know a thing about these suits, or the flotilla for that matter."

"It must be tough." Shepard studied for a moment. "I don't know if I could live inside a suit my whole life."

"Yes, well. We're in our suits even among family. The most intimate thing we can do with another quarian is link our suit environments. We get sick at first and then we adapt. It's our most important gesture of trust, of acceptance. I haven't trusted anyone enough for that though. Except…" Tali felt her throat tighten as she realized what was on the tip of her tongue. A stutter slipped into her voice and she felt heat rising to her cheeks. "…well, no quarians. Um, you know what I mean."

A smirk slipped across Shepard's face. "Wait… I can't tell under the helmet. Are you blushing?"

A jolt leapt through her body at those words and she straightened, embarrassment pouring forth into her words. "What? No! It's the fever!" Her eyes widened as she realized she'd admitted it. Oh keelah…

Shepard snickered. "I appreciate the thought, Tali, and I feel the same way. But you don't have to prove anything to me."

Wait… Tali swallowed, her gaze drifting down to the floor. "I know… Well, not that I know, but I didn't mean it like that." Her cheeks burned and she felt beads of sweat begin to form. She took a deep breath and glanced at the ceiling. "It's, um… Wow it's really hot in here." Her throat tightened. "It's just that the tradition also signifies a willing ness for, um, intimacy." Shepard's eyes widened. No, no, no! Her mind screamed. Just shut up now. "I wasn't trying to… it's not always like that. It's more… How did we even end up talking about this?"

"Isn't that how Shala'Raan adapted to be there for your birth?" Shepard ventured.

"Well, yes but…" She stammered. "That was different…"

Shepard's eyes focused on her and a wry grin slipped across his face. "Wait a minute. It sounds like you're suggesting something Tali."

Pull it together, come on… Tali folded her arms over her chest and took a deep breath. "What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy? How could she possibly develop any kind of interest in him?"

Shepard laughed and Tali blinked in surprise. "Really?"

"Yes… I mean… well…" Her fists clenched in frustration as she tried to control her stutter. "Just forget I said anything…" She turned back to the console when Shepard caught her arm and turned her back around.

Tali blinked in surprise as Shepard took a deep breath and focused on her. "You have nothing to be embarrassed about, Tali. I feel the same way about you."

What? he… he… Tali stared at him stunned for a moment before her energy returned in a flash. She bounced on her toes and waved her hands in surprise. "Really? I didn't… you never…" Then it began to drain away as relief washed over her. "Well, good."

Shepard relaxed and smiled at her, watching her bounce on her toes again and glanced over at Gabby and Ken by their stations. After a moment he sighed. "I hope you feel better soon."

"Yes. I do too." She glanced back at the monitors and sighed. "Anyway, I should get back to work. But… thanks for coming by. And talking."

"Sure, anytime." John grinned and headed for the hatch.

As it hissed closed Tali closed her eyes and bent over the boards. Did that just happen? She took a deep breath and smile played across her lips, feeling a warmth spread throughout her body.

Modifié par StellarMagic, 28 juillet 2011 - 11:22 .

[Havoc10K]

Dawww, how cute
Tali's romance plot is probably the cutest and considering her Age, probably very fitting to her character

[Pride Demon]

Swordfish56 wrote...

I'm pretty sure that even if the mobile platform that Shepard calls Legion is destroyed, the memories are transmitted (prior to death) back to the Geth Collective.

That's what usually happens, but the Geth must be capable of beaming themselves through a Comm Buoy via the antennae on their backs for it to work... If the geth are incapable of an uplink to the Buoys before their memory core fries they are gone forever, the only real way to kill a Geth...
Unfortunately there are no Comm Buoys in the galactic core... If Legion dies in the suicide mission, he actually is dead, without return...

There's a dialigue hinting at this, though it was cut, here it is from didymos1120...
Go at 1:00...

PS. Tali's version (1:24) here seems somewhat better than what we have in game if I may say so...
Also at 1:42 Zaeed version is just epic... XD

[T.Attwood]

Pride Demon wrote...

Swordfish56 wrote...

I'm pretty sure that even if the mobile platform that Shepard calls Legion is destroyed, the memories are transmitted (prior to death) back to the Geth Collective.

That's what usually happens, but the Geth must be capable of beaming themselves through a Comm Buoy via the antennae on their backs for it to work... If the geth are incapable of an uplink to the Buoys before their memory core fries they are gone forever, the only real way to kill a Geth...
Unfortunately there are no Comm Buoys in the galactic core... If Legion dies in the suicide mission, he actually is dead, without return...

There's a dialigue hinting at this, though it was cut, here it is from didymos1120...
Go at 1:00...

PS. Tali's version (1:24) here seems somewhat better than what we have in game if I may say so...
Also at 1:42 Zaeed version is just epic... XD

I was just listening to the 'unused citadel groundskeeper' audio, and it makes a mention of 'Quarian alcohol', made from 'anti-matter'. I perceived the Quarians to be not much of the 'drinking' type, but after hearing this audio, the Quarians seem to know how to party if this is the kind of thing they like to drink! (listen from about 0:20 to 0:45)
http://social.biowar...5/index/4412257

[Pride Demon]

T.Attwood wrote...

I was just listening to the 'unused citadel groundskeeper' audio, and it makes a mention of 'Quarian alcohol', made from 'anti-matter'. I perceived the Quarians to be not much of the 'drinking' type, but after hearing this audio, the Quarians seem to know how to party if this is the kind of thing they like to drink! (listen from about 0:20 to 0:45)
http://social.biowar...5/index/4412257

Oh yeah, Wilihierax cut lines are gold...

And indeed I never thought Quarians would still waste resources creating alchoolic intoxicants that end up making people unable to work...
And maybe they don't, after all said Quarian beverage is called "Thruster Fuel", maybe it actually is thruster fuel (and old Wili is just a drink obsessed Turian): anti-matter after all annihilates itself when it comes into contact with matter (like say, your insides), the neutering may involve a slight explosion and the disgregation of both matter and antimatter in the form of energy, photons and gamma rays (none of which are particularly healthy to ones stomach)... And they say Rincol is bad due to the radioactives inside it, tsk... :/
These traits makes antimatter theoretically wonderful as actual rocket fuel however, as following Einstein formula a great deal of energy is created by annihilating mass...

This is whay my, at most, cursory knowledge of the question tells me at least...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 28 juillet 2011 - 02:57 .

[TheWerdna]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Terumitsu wrote...
Also, since I'm quoting you, Mr. Magic, I believe I owe you an apology for not looking at your writing. Now, don't take this the wrong way but I just can't read fan fics. It just messes with my head cannon when I do so. I don't look down on the act itself as I see it as just another way that fans can use to 'get inside' the heads of various characters which can lead to better understanding of motives and so on which can then lead to better appreciation based on said understanding... And I think I'm rambling here. I hope you understand what I'm getting at.

Anyway, if you have any other writings laying around, might it be possible to send them my way as it seems from the reactions of the other posters here that you are quite talented and I am interested in checking that out.

I know what you mean.  I've started writing fanfics myself, but they never star any characters from the games, I just use the ME universe.  Whenever I try and write something involving my favourite characters, I'm literally terrified that I'll screw up the character.  This mentality also carries through to the things I read.  I read very few fanfics, StellarMagic's being the only one right now.  What I love about his is that they stay so true to the characters personality, and the main plotline of the game, it's like they were a part of the game from the very beginning.  So many other's that I've started to read, the characters have just seemed off.  I would encourage you to at least give it a try if you haven't all ready. 

I understand that aswell. The only fanfic IO really enjoyed besides StellarMagic's work is Razor's Edge. Its basically a novelization of ME2, and  does a really good job of  adding to whats in the game (mostly in terms of dialoge) while getting the charecters perfectly.

Modifié par TheWerdna, 28 juillet 2011 - 03:07 .

[Havoc10K]

Lolled at Salarian "I held the line!" remark XDDD now I know why they weren't used HAHAHAHAHAHAH! it would seriously take away the seriousness and make people laugh

[paudson]

Nice work magic on the writing. You built on what was in me2 but you added in what tali was felling at that moment. Nice job

[Havoc10K]

I still think I need that on paper, as a novel, he is pretty good

[JustAFerret]

StellarMagic wrote...

Thanks, I try...

I think ElectricZ comes pretty close to nailing Tali most of the time, though he may crank the hero-worship of Shepard up a bit further then needed.

In ME1 it's actually much harder to nail most of the characters. Ashley is tough to write for, Tali is alright so long as you remember her competence level, most people make her far to much the damsel in distress in ME1. Remember she hunted down geth before you met her... XP

The bit that will be hard to handle will be the time between ME1 and ME2... Tali changes quite a bit then. She starts cursing (I just make it so she still curses but does so in her head earlier) and seems a bit more worn down when you meet her. A lot of the naivety has burned away.

Thanks for the unintentional tip, Stellar. I'll keep it in mind while I'm writing my fic. Haven't gotten a lot of feedback on how I'm portraying Tali.

[Nashiktal]

Havoc10K wrote...

The biggest reason why Quarrians don't want to use EMP on GETH is because GETH are cheap labor and military force build by and for quarrians, that didn't change and they want it back in their control. Using EMP weapons would completely destroy GETH structure as software, making them useless for Quarrians.

And yes, you guys are off topic a lot, this is Tali support thread, and just putting her name here and there while talking about Legion and quarrians war with the Geth is not making it an ON TOPIC discussion.

Irony in this post is maximized for teh lulz.