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[bazzag]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

bazzag wrote...



There we go S&T!

I just fixed it.

Yeah, didn't notice...My bad.

[iwillkillfortali]

bazzag wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

bazzag wrote...



There we go S&T!

I just fixed it.

Yeah, didn't notice...My bad.

So could you remove it please?
Thanks!!

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 07 avril 2012 - 01:31 .

[Fenrisfil]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

And I believe that FTL Is Possible!!!

Well it's theoretically possible. But requires the use of negative energy, which has been proven to exist, but in far too small an amount to be useful for that purpose. Not going to happen any time soon. But then we haven't started digging around enough on mars for ancient alien devices yet.

[gamer_girl]

Fenrisfil at least you can accept the very likely possibility that humans are wrong... >:/
It irritates me when people seem to come accross as if they *know* things about things that humans haven't even begun to scratch the surface of and probably won't for hundreds if not thousands of years. Gears = ground.

[bazzag]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

bazzag wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

bazzag wrote...



There we go S&T!

I just fixed it.

Yeah, didn't notice...My bad.

So could you remove it please?

done.

[Fenrisfil]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

Humans are not only dumb, they also are quite proud of their lack of intellect. so its hard for them to find fault in themselves. tali is humble, which is very refreshing.

<snip>

Well said. Tali is at least aware of her own faults. That's puts her ahead of most humans I know.

[forthary]

exelsis wrote...

But they would both expend more energy in the process, as their average temps are too far from homeostatic temperature. 

Damn.

Actually, if you think about it, it's possible they may actually not expand more energy.  Let me try to explain: Whenever you sleep on a warm night, sometimes you may put your head on a pillow to find it's nice and cool, only for it to warm up later and start feeling uncomfortable.  But what if you laid your skin on a surface that had its temperature maintained by a organic?  If Shepard's body temperature is actually lower than Tali's, perhaps them cuddling each other could be benefical at the right temperature; Tali could cool down, while Shepard could warm up.  It's certainly possible.  

Yet...given that Tali's suit has internal sensors to maintain a micro-environment, and that she wears it all of the time outside of unique encounters, Tali probably does not have to worry about feeling too hot or too cold when sleeping.  At best, Shepard would benefit, and only if it was a cool night.  At worst...Shepard would probably drench Tali's suit in sweat and may not sleep at all with how hot it would get.  So perhaps you are right, but only in Shepard's case; assuming Tali wears her suit during her sleep, of course.  On Rannoch, it may get interesting.

Modifié par forthary, 07 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[bazzag]

forthary wrote...

  At worst...Shepard would probably drench Tali's suit in sweat and may not sleep at all with how hot it would get.

Who said anything about sleeping?

[iwillkillfortali]

forthary wrote...

exelsis wrote...

But they would both expend more energy in the process, as their average temps are too far from homeostatic temperature. 

Damn.

Actually, if you think about it, it's possible they may actually not expand more energy.  Let me try to explain: Whenever you sleep on a warm night, sometimes you may put your head on a pillow to find it's nice and cool, only for it to warm up later and start feeling uncomfortable.  But what if you laid your skin on a surface that had its temperature maintained by a organic?  If Shepard's body temperature is actually lower than Tali's, perhaps them cuddling each other could be benefical at the right temperature; Tali could cool down, while Shepard could warm up.  It's certainly possible.  

Yet...given that Tali's suit has internal sensors to maintain a micro-environment, and that she wears it all of the time outside of unique encounters, Tali probably does not have to worry about feeling too hot or too cold when sleeping.  At best, Shepard would benefit, and only if it was a cool night.  At worst...Shepard would probably drench Tali's suit in sweat and may not sleep at all with how hot it would get.

I would think that in the future humanity would be able to mantian tempeture.

[exelsis]

gamer_girl wrote...

Fenrisfil at least you can accept the very likely possibility that humans are wrong... >:/
It irritates me when people seem to come accross as if they *know* things about things that humans haven't even begun to scratch the surface of and probably won't for hundreds if not thousands of years. Gears = ground.

Humans are very often wrong, but at this point, not really any of our understanding of the universe is WRONG, but it may all be flawed. We might find the particle responsible for gravity, we may discover what the hell electro-dark energy and matter actually ARE. But we have not assumed these things. We have question marks EVERYWHERE in science, and are methodically replacing them with answers, one infinitely small fraction at a time.

[ShepardAndTali]

@Gamer_Girl Its up Iwillkillfortali has it posted for me

[iwillkillfortali]

ShepardAndTali wrote...

@Gamer_Girl Its up Iwillkillfortali has it posted for me

Did you get the messiage I sent you?
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Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 07 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[Fenrisfil]

Messier87 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Yes, yes there is. All laws of the universe are absolutely static throughout the universe. Anything that appears to be otherwise does not actually indicate so, it simply underlines that we do not understand the laws, not that they change. Basically, the four fundamental forces control everything in the universe, and are not conditional based upon any criteria. They simply are.

And about pics, don't try copy/paste. Never has worked for me. Just {img}url{/img} but with ][ instead of }{.

Precisely so.  I study ancient stars in the galactic halo, and I can confirm that it is a great feeling to experience the agreement between our observations and theoretical calculations. The idea of variant laws of physics generally applies to hypothetical "multiverses." 

I'm pretty sure EDI discusses this, as well.

EDIT: Information travels at the speed of light (max).

She does. I realise my reply lag means I'm repeating what others have said.

But anyway, I would like to back up your comments. Being the nerd I am, I can say though we haven't set foot outside our solar system, or even further than our own moon, we have performed calculations on bodies far far away that have matched precisely what was expected based on the laws of physics as we know them. So unless there is some kind of grand illusion going on, we can safely assume these things are consistant. Given the further out you look, the older things get you can actually make calculations that track over billions of years and still match up to the known laws of physics.

That's not to say we know everything. Truth is almost the entire universe is completely unknown to us. The majority of matter out there is dark matter and a complete mystery and that itself is tiny on the matter/energy scale, where dark energy provides most of our entire universe and that is even more of an enigma. We don't know how gravity fits in with the other fundemental forces and we don't really understand time and we don't even have a good definition of what life is. So really we know very little and with that there is always room for a loophole. But we have nothing that suggests the laws of thermodynamics can be changed anywhere in our universe.

[forthary]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

I would think that in the future humanity would be able to mantian tempeture.

If you mean create your own microclimates, sure!  We got space suits, central air, heaters...we have a variety of ways to create our own microclimates...

But if you mean adjust our own body temperature, then...that's not likely to happen by the time Mass Effect takes place.  It would probably require genetic modification, and it would probably be illegal, but im not sure.  All I know about genetic modification is that medi-gel is legal, manipulation of existing genes is legal and creation of new ones is not.  Allowing organics to modify their body temperature at will is pretty dangerous and not recommended since our body is so used to operating at the temperature we already have.

Modifié par forthary, 07 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[iwillkillfortali]

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

I would think that in the future humanity would be able to mantian tempeture.

If you mean create your own microclimates, sure!  We got space suits, central air, heaters...we have a variety of ways to create our own microclimates...

But if you mean adjust our own body temperature, then...that's not likely to happen by the time Mass Effect takes place.  It would probably require genetic modification, and it would probably be illegal, but im not sure.  All I know about genetic modification is that medi-gel is legal, manipulation of existing genes is and creation of new ones is not.  Giving organics to modify their body temperature at-will is pretty dangerous and not recommended since our body is so used to operating at the temperature we already have.

But it is still a possibility unless stated else where.

[gamer_girl]

@exelsis
Then you should change all the "is"s in your statements about the galaxy to "might be"s
And maybe not seem so certain about something you know nothing about (when I say you I mean human beings).
Not to seem like a total hag, but one of my biggest pet peeves is people who think they know everything.

[bazzag]

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

I would think that in the future humanity would be able to mantian tempeture.

If you mean create your own microclimates, sure!  We got space suits, central air, heaters...we have a variety of ways to create our own microclimates...

But if you mean adjust our own body temperature, then...that's not likely to happen by the time Mass Effect takes place.  It would probably require genetic modification, and it would probably be illegal, but im not sure.  All I know about genetic modification is that medi-gel is legal, manipulation of existing genes is and creation of new ones is not.  Allowing organics to modify their body temperature at will is pretty dangerous and not recommended since our body is so used to operating at the temperature we already have.

Medi-gel technically is illegal, but its proven to useful to prohibit.

[iwillkillfortali]

bazzag wrote...

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

I would think that in the future humanity would be able to mantian tempeture.

If you mean create your own microclimates, sure!  We got space suits, central air, heaters...we have a variety of ways to create our own microclimates...

But if you mean adjust our own body temperature, then...that's not likely to happen by the time Mass Effect takes place.  It would probably require genetic modification, and it would probably be illegal, but im not sure.  All I know about genetic modification is that medi-gel is legal, manipulation of existing genes is and creation of new ones is not.  Allowing organics to modify their body temperature at will is pretty dangerous and not recommended since our body is so used to operating at the temperature we already have.

Medi-gel technically is illegal, but its proven to useful to prohibit.

Well Shepard is a Cyborg so it is possible.

[exelsis]

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

I would think that in the future humanity would be able to mantian tempeture.

If you mean create your own microclimates, sure!  We got space suits, central air, heaters...we have a variety of ways to create our own microclimates...

But if you mean adjust our own body temperature, then...that's not likely to happen by the time Mass Effect takes place.  It would probably require genetic modification, and it would probably be illegal, but im not sure.  All I know about genetic modification is that medi-gel is legal, manipulation of existing genes is and creation of new ones is not.  Allowing organics to modify their body temperature at will is pretty dangerous and not recommended since our body is so used to operating at the temperature we already have.

I think the whole genetic modification ban is a load of crap. All races should give themselves expanded vision on the EM scale, for starters. Humans could also get the ability to digest cellulose, and most other races might correct a similar deficiency. Quite frankly, the entire mass effect universe appears, to me at least, to be CRIPPLINGLY far behind in technological advancement. A side-effect of having mass effect tech handed to them, perhaps?

[Messier87]

gamer_girl wrote...

@exelsis
You're missing the point. How can human beings possibly know anything about the rest of the galaxy? We have never been outside the Sol system. Hell, we haven't even been to Mars. You're saying that humans can make a big judgement about the rest of the galaxy based on an insignificant portion of that galaxy?
That's like looking at a car at an astronomical level and saying "oh there's gasoline molecules here, that means the rest of the car is also made of gasoline molecules." It's a fallacy of composition. No sufficient grounds for such an argument, and it's quite frankly ridiculous.

Sure, we haven't ventured outside of the Solar System. However, light is information, and this information has traveled the far reaches of the observable Universe. There is plenty to learn about the cosmos through light, and we don't need to our physical bodies to be at the edge of the Milky Way to support the claim that the laws of physics are constant in our galaxy.

We are simply discussing this claim based on what we observe. There are always uncertainties (especially in astronomy). No one here is claiming they have absolute knowledge, and there's always a possibility that something ground-breaking will be discovered in the future. However, limited to what we know now, we can confirm that the laws of physics are constant until disproven otherwise.

Modifié par Messier87, 07 avril 2012 - 01:48 .

[gamer_girl]

@ShepardandTali
Aww that's such a cute sketch.

[forthary]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

But it is still a possibility unless stated else where.

I think I am going to just step back out of this and say space magic.  Explaining it to others may cause my brain to meltdown, given what little I know about human anatomy, science and all that Jazz.  In the end, Shepard and Tali cuddling may not provide much in the way of physical health benefits or penalties, but it is emotionally benefial and enriching.  I recommend for the two of them to cuddle each night and time they feel like doing so.  Plus, if there's a problem with the room tempature onboard the normandy, Shepard can either have EDI adjust it or do so manually.  I think manually might be a better option, I'm not sure if Shepard can stand having EDI watch the two of them... 

Modifié par forthary, 07 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[Fenrisfil]

gamer_girl wrote...

Fenrisfil at least you can accept the very likely possibility that humans are wrong... >:/
It irritates me when people seem to come accross as if they *know* things about things that humans haven't even begun to scratch the surface of and probably won't for hundreds if not thousands of years. Gears = ground.

True knowledge is knowing you know nothing.

The council responded to that with: "We have dismissed that claim"

[exelsis]

gamer_girl wrote...

@exelsis
Then you should change all the "is"s in your statements about the galaxy to "might be"s
And maybe not seem so certain about something you know nothing about (when I say you I mean human beings).
Not to seem like a total hag, but one of my biggest pet peeves is people who think they know everything.

Though we know FAR less than 1% that there is to know, we have WAY more knowledge about the fundamentals of the universe tham most people realize. And we still really do know almost nothing. But no lack of knowledge can be pointed at and then declared "since you dont know ALL the things, you can't know ANY of the things!" Such a sentiment is overtly false. Truly, it does not matter if this entire universe is a simulation in an alien's desktop computer, this universe has laws, and we can understand the laws and use that understanding to make predictions. That is ALL of science. We have become pretty good at it too.

[bazzag]

All this in depth scientific mumbo jumbo has given me a headache

So i'm off to bed. I leave you with a quarian to think about...



C  u tomorrow!
Keelah se'lai!