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[exelsis]

bazzag wrote...

All this in depth scientific mumbo jumbo has given me a headache

So i'm off to bed. I leave you with a quarian to think about...



C  u tomorrow!
Keelah se'lai!

Also, when she humps your leg, it is another indication that you have found someone special. Who has a thing for humans.

Modifié par exelsis, 07 avril 2012 - 01:55 .

[gamer_girl]

So we can make wild assumptions about the rest of the galaxy simply because we see a very limited part of said galaxy and had calculations that "match" (even though they are likely close but not exact). Eyes have fooled us before - to use my previous example - people thought the world was flat because it appeared to be so. Until they saw the bigger picture that is. Then they realized that it is in fact round. How do you know the bigger picture (ie. The vast majority of the galaxy that we haven't even seen through telescopes) won't tell us different? Or how do you know that when we get to the place that we've only seen through telescopes that some kind of evidence will completely remove all humans claim to "know" about the universe? To say we can assume something because it doesn't seem likely that the alternative is true seems silly to me. All we know is Earth. When compared with the rest of the galaxy, that is a very miniscule amount of knowledge. But I'm honestly going to need to stop talking about this because I feel a panda rage coming on if people continue to be so trusting in a system that has failed us many times.

[Fenrisfil]

You know we're all massive nerds right?

Anyway, one thing I'd like to say about Entropy is that the law is about the total amount of energy and heat being lost. Which means you can have control within a system. Chaos increases in the universe, but order can prevail within a section of it. Evolution is an example of that on a grander scale as are most acts of intelligent life. But the total entropy of the universe increases. So there are get out clauses. There was a sci-fi story where an alternate universe was used as a dumping ground for entropy. It didn't have a good ending (wish I could remember what it was or who wrote it) but point is, there is a loop hole.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 07 avril 2012 - 01:56 .

[darthrevaninlight]

So with Easter weekend that got me wondering.. do Talis people have any holidays? Which of our holidays would be Talis favorite?

Also, been loling at the humility talk. Something to be said of willingness to be patient and gentle when pointing out anothers conceived fault. You never know when you might be misunderstanding their words...

[XenoAlbedo]

Would anybody happen to know why my youtube video that had HD quality suddenly only has the option of 360p and speed of the video?
Staying on topic:

[iwillkillfortali]

gamer_girl wrote...

So we can make wild assumptions about the rest of the galaxy simply because we see a very limited part of said galaxy and had calculations that "match" (even though they are likely close but not exact). Eyes have fooled us before - to use my previous example - people thought the world was flat because it appeared to be so. Until they saw the bigger picture that is. Then they realized that it is in fact round. How do you know the bigger picture (ie. The vast majority of the galaxy that we haven't even seen through telescopes) won't tell us different? Or how do you know that when we get to the place that we've only seen through telescopes that some kind of evidence will completely remove all humans claim to "know" about the universe? To say we can assume something because it doesn't seem likely that the alternative is true seems silly to me. All we know is Earth. When compared with the rest of the galaxy, that is a very miniscule amount of knowledge. But I'm honestly going to need to stop talking about this because I feel a panda rage coming on if people continue to be so trusting in a system that has failed us many times.

Well most of that garbage is coming from religious fanatics.

[forthary]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

So with Easter weekend that got me wondering.. do Talis people have any holidays? Which of our holidays would be Talis favorite?

Also, been loling at the humility talk. Something to be said of willingness to be patient and gentle when pointing out anothers conceived fault. You never know when you might be misunderstanding their words...

Well, they are a religious people, so I am sure they have a few religious holidays.  And I wouldn't be surprised if they had a knack for gifts as well, so they probably also have a few gift-giving holidays.

One thing I can say is that Commander Shepard will probably have a impact on their days of celebration.  They might even have a day dedicated to him if he saved both the geth and the quarians!  It looks like im going to have to make plans for a Commander Shepard and Captain Picard day on my calandar...

Modifié par forthary, 07 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[iwillkillfortali]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Would anybody happen to know why my youtube video that had HD quality suddenly only has the option of 360p and speed of the video?
Staying on topic:

And good vid Xeno what was the name of that race that tried to kill that rich dude?

[exelsis]

gamer_girl wrote...

So we can make wild assumptions about the rest of the galaxy simply because we see a very limited part of said galaxy and had calculations that "match" (even though they are likely close but not exact). Eyes have fooled us before - to use my previous example - people thought the world was flat because it appeared to be so. Until they saw the bigger picture that is. Then they realized that it is in fact round. How do you know the bigger picture (ie. The vast majority of the galaxy that we haven't even seen through telescopes) won't tell us different? Or how do you know that when we get to the place that we've only seen through telescopes that some kind of evidence will completely remove all humans claim to "know" about the universe? To say we can assume something because it doesn't seem likely that the alternative is true seems silly to me. All we know is Earth. When compared with the rest of the galaxy, that is a very miniscule amount of knowledge. But I'm honestly going to need to stop talking about this because I feel a panda rage coming on if people continue to be so trusting in a system that has failed us many times.

The system has never failed, and cannot fail. Humans can make mistakes, but the scientific method is flawless. When you get right down to it, the most sturdy argument for the consistancy of the universe is that anything not bound by the same laws as that which we can observe, cannot be observed, and anything that cannot be observed, does not exist. If something is not effected by any of the four forces, it does not exist. A location in the universe in which the four forces are not obeyed cannot exist in the universe, as it could not be observed.  Mind you, this is all a "in our universe" thing. Everything is thrown out the window in multiverse theory.

And we know far more than just earth. We can see a sphere around earth, which has a diameter larger than the duration of the universe. Billions of galaxies containing millions of trillions of stars is nothing to laugh at.

Modifié par exelsis, 07 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[XenoAlbedo]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Would anybody happen to know why my youtube video that had HD quality suddenly only has the option of 360p and speed of the video?
Staying on topic:
*Snip*

And good vid Xeno what was the name of that race that tried to kill that rich dude?

The models or what I'm naming them in the video? In the video I named them Malum Populus. Subtle humor there. It sounds awesome but is just latin for "Evil people." The model is Neo Heavy Combine. Hopefully by tomorrow the quality will have increased. Luckilly my Gmod videos with Tali remain unchanged in quality.

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 07 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[WizenSlinky0]

The only universal truth in this universe is that nothing developed by humans is flawless. Something flawed cannot create something flawless because it does not know what it means to be without flaw.

[iwillkillfortali]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Would anybody happen to know why my youtube video that had HD quality suddenly only has the option of 360p and speed of the video?
Staying on topic:
*Snip*

And good vid Xeno what was the name of that race that tried to kill that rich dude?

The models or what I'm naming them in the video? In the video I named them Malum Populus. Subtle humor there. It sounds awesome but is just latin for "Evil people." The model is Neo Heavy Combine. Hopefully by tomorrow the quality will have increased. Luckilly my Gmod videos with Tali remain unchanged in quality.

Thanks for explaining.
I found one

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 07 avril 2012 - 02:05 .

[gamer_girl]

*ignoring exelsis before I get a mad on*
Ok let's talk about something Tali.
Or something burgers...
Watching Diners Drive-Ins and Dives...
Inside-out burger... *drool*
No show brings out my inner Homer Simpson more than Triple D.

[exelsis]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The only universal truth in this universe is that nothing developed by humans is flawless. Something flawed cannot create something flawless because it does not know what it means to be without flaw.

The scientific method is without flaw, except that it is practiced by beings that are flawed. Mathmatics is something without flaw, created by humans to enable us to quantify and measure. Both math and the scientific method are perfect in themselves, but humans are not perfect. I see that this is becoming "quman explosion mk. II". RERAILING.
Someone, explain this pic to me. I DONT GET IT.

Modifié par exelsis, 07 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[iwillkillfortali]

gamer_girl wrote...

*ignoring exelsis before I get a mad on*
Ok let's talk about something Tali.
Or something burgers...
Watching Diners Drive-Ins and Dives...
Inside-out burger... *drool*
No show brings out my inner Homer Simpson more than Triple D.

Why would Tali say if you showed her a Vacume Tube?

[Fenrisfil]

gamer_girl wrote...

So we can make wild assumptions about the rest of the galaxy simply because we see a very limited part of said galaxy and had calculations that "match" (even though they are likely close but not exact). Eyes have fooled us before - to use my previous example - people thought the world was flat because it appeared to be so. Until they saw the bigger picture that is. Then they realized that it is in fact round. How do you know the bigger picture (ie. The vast majority of the galaxy that we haven't even seen through telescopes) won't tell us different? Or how do you know that when we get to the place that we've only seen through telescopes that some kind of evidence will completely remove all humans claim to "know" about the universe? To say we can assume something because it doesn't seem likely that the alternative is true seems silly to me. All we know is Earth. When compared with the rest of the galaxy, that is a very miniscule amount of knowledge. But I'm honestly going to need to stop talking about this because I feel a panda rage coming on if people continue to be so trusting in a system that has failed us many times.

Sorry if I enraged you, it wasn't my intention.

All our sensory information could be wrong. Seeing and touching things may mean nothing. Truth is we don't really know anything. Are we even thinking right now or are we being fooled into somehow percieving the thoughts and believing they orginated from us. One of the things we appear to know is that our brains are very good at lying to us. In that context how do we know anything? Even the old saying "I think therefore I am" may no longer hold meaning.

But then where would be if we assumed everything we knew was wrong? That's why I hold the view that you go with what you do appear to know but be prepared to be wrong. That's basically how science works. You follow the evidence you have until evidence turns up that points to it being wrong. Then you accept it and move on.

Of course what really happens is scientists get just as petty and narrow sighted as everyone else and change takes a really long length of time. But you know... they are only human.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 07 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[WizenSlinky0]

exelsis wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The only universal truth in this universe is that nothing developed by humans is flawless. Something flawed cannot create something flawless because it does not know what it means to be without flaw.

The scientific method is without flaw, except that it is practiced by beings that are flawed. Mathmatics is something without flaw, created by humans to enable us to quantify and measure. Both math and the scientific method are perfect in themselves, but humans are not perfect.

And that is the very definition of hubris. It's a literal disconnect from reality. The scientific method is nothing but a way of approaching a problem.  But humans can't hope to approach a problem from a flawless perspective. It is not possible for a flawed individual to develop something that is flawless. Whether it be an idea, a concept, a law. Nothing.

To be without flaw means more than "it works". The fact that we routinely develop new and faster methods to complete mathematical problems means it is not flawless. It is inherently flawed. Extremely so.

We do not understand what it means to be without flaw. Do not throw the word around lightly.

[iwillkillfortali]

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

[Messier87]

gamer_girl wrote...

So we can make wild assumptions about the rest of the galaxy simply because we see a very limited part of said galaxy and had calculations that "match" (even though they are likely close but not exact). Eyes have fooled us before - to use my previous example - people thought the world was flat because it appeared to be so. Until they saw the bigger picture that is. Then they realized that it is in fact round. How do you know the bigger picture (ie. The vast majority of the galaxy that we haven't even seen through telescopes) won't tell us different? Or how do you know that when we get to the place that we've only seen through telescopes that some kind of evidence will completely remove all humans claim to "know" about the universe? To say we can assume something because it doesn't seem likely that the alternative is true seems silly to me. All we know is Earth. When compared with the rest of the galaxy, that is a very miniscule amount of knowledge. But I'm honestly going to need to stop talking about this because I feel a panda rage coming on if people continue to be so trusting in a system that has failed us many times.

There still seems to be a misunderstanding. No one here is talking in absolutes. We aren't claming to have some infallible, absolute truth. That's not what scientists are. What would be the point of scientific progress if we all claim to know everything about what we're studying? 

Scientific progress quite often generates more questions than it can answer. For me, that's what makes astronomy an everlasting passion of mine. We are simply trying to better our understanding of the cosmos, which often involves making mistakes (many) along the way. There is still much to learn about our galaxy, as well as our own planet. We still don't know Earth, as you claim.

So let's stop saying that scientists have all the answers, 'cause we sure as hell don't. We're still human.

[forthary]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

She might not even know what a vaccum tube is.  But if she did, I reckon she would talk about how fragile yet protective of a component it is on a suit, as it protects against a wide variety of elemental hazards.  I wouldn't be surprised if that's what is on her arm pieces of her suit.

[iwillkillfortali]

forthary wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

She might not even know what a vaccum tube is.  But if she did, I reckon she would talk about how fragile yet protective of a component it is on a suit, as it protects against a wide variety of elemental hazards.  I wouldn't be surprised if that's what is on her arm pieces of her suit.

But you know what one is right?
I am talking about this

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 07 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[Fenrisfil]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

So with Easter weekend that got me wondering.. do Talis people have any holidays? Which of our holidays would be Talis favorite?

Also, been loling at the humility talk. Something to be said of willingness to be patient and gentle when pointing out anothers conceived fault. You never know when you might be misunderstanding their words...

Well Tali's people did have a religion, so they probably had religious holidays. I doubt they celebrate their retreat from Rannoch, and not really much else to celebrate on the fleet. Most cultures have equinox celebrations, so I expect they had similar things and while away from their planet it may have seemed even more important to acknowledge what the seasons would have been.

Given that Rannoch is hot, perhaps their winter festival would be the bigger one. Which pretty much means Christmas and really, who doesn't like getting presents?

Then again, hard to find gifts onboard the fleet. I wonder if they have a Halloween where they all dress up as spiders.

[exelsis]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The only universal truth in this universe is that nothing developed by humans is flawless. Something flawed cannot create something flawless because it does not know what it means to be without flaw.

The scientific method is without flaw, except that it is practiced by beings that are flawed. Mathmatics is something without flaw, created by humans to enable us to quantify and measure. Both math and the scientific method are perfect in themselves, but humans are not perfect.

And that is the very definition of hubris. It's a literal disconnect from reality. The scientific method is nothing but a way of approaching a problem.  But humans can't hope to approach a problem from a flawless perspective. It is not possible for a flawed individual to develop something that is flawless. Whether it be an idea, a concept, a law. Nothing.

To be without flaw means more than "it works". The fact that we routinely develop new and faster methods to complete mathematical problems means it is not flawless. It is inherently flawed. Extremely so.

We do not understand what it means to be without flaw. Do not throw the word around lightly.

Perfection and flawless are not the same thing. There are no flaws in math or the scientific method. They are not perfect, as nothing can be perfect. But 2+2=4 in every case. Math cannot steer you wrong. While our ability to use mathmatics to solve problems is limited, that is only because of our own small powers. The scientific method is a way of solving problems that, excluding human error, is absolutely never going to fail. Because it is basically a "do it again until you find the answer" type of process, it cannot fail. Your experiments may fail, your conclusions may be invalid, but the process has no flaws that are not a product of those exercising it.

[forthary]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

But you know what one is right?
I am talking about this

Oh, I thought you were talking about a somewhat common household item.  In that case...I'll pass this one to gamer_girl.

Fenrisfil wrote...

Well Tali's people did have a religion, so they probably had religious holidays. I doubt they celebrate their retreat from Rannoch, and not really much else to celebrate on the fleet. Most cultures have equinox celebrations, so I expect they had similar things and while away from their planet it may have seemed even more important to acknowledge what the seasons would have been.

Given that Rannoch is hot, perhaps their winter festival would be the bigger one. Which pretty much means Christmas and really, who doesn't like getting presents?

Then again, hard to find gifts onboard the fleet. I wonder if they have a Halloween where they all dress up as spiders.

I don't think Tali will like winter. I especially remember that line on Noveria:

"The appeal of winter wears thin very quickly."

Then again, neither does Garrus. Perhaps Shepard and Tali can make the best out of it and tease Garrus about it. *Grins at Tali shutting off Garrus's central air unit as a prank in the winter*

The quarians are fairly generous, and usually take what they need, not what they want. Usually, mind you, some of them are a bit greedy. But still...I wouldn't mind celebrating holidays with them at all. They're probably a groovy bunch to party with. I have a feeling they have their version of christmas too...

Modifié par forthary, 07 avril 2012 - 02:23 .

[Fenrisfil]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

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