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[iwillkillfortali]

Fenrisfil wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

Mustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendo

WTF?

[gamer_girl]

@Messier
Exelsis seems to think that science can do no wrong. I'm not raging because of you or fenrisfil I'm raging because of them.

[exelsis]

gamer_girl wrote...

@Messier
Exelsis seems to think that science can do no wrong. I'm not raging because of you or fenrisfil I'm raging because of them.

Science cannot make a mistake, primarily because science cannot act. Humans make mistakes.

[darthrevaninlight]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The only universal truth in this universe is that nothing developed by humans is flawless. Something flawed cannot create something flawless because it does not know what it means to be without flaw.

Listen to this person.
Words of wisdom here.

[iwillkillfortali]

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

@Messier
Exelsis seems to think that science can do no wrong. I'm not raging because of you or fenrisfil I'm raging because of them.

Science cannot make a mistake, primarily because science cannot act. Humans make mistakes.

End of this topic on to the one that I want what would tali say about this.

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 07 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[WizenSlinky0]

exelsis wrote...

Perfection and flawless are not the same thing. There are no flaws in math or the scientific method. They are not perfect, as nothing can be perfect. But 2+2=4 in every case. Math cannot steer you wrong. While our ability to use mathmatics to solve problems is limited, that is only because of our own small powers. The scientific method is a way of solving problems that, excluding human error, is absolutely never going to fail. Because it is basically a "do it again until you find the answer" type of process, it cannot fail. Your experiments may fail, your conclusions may be invalid, but the process has no flaws that are not a product of those exercising it.

To be flawless you must not be able to diminish the value of it. If you discover new, faster ways of doing something have you not diminished the value of what came before it? Nothing created by humans will ever be flawless. I don't really care where you want to draw the line between perfection and flawless. The point stands.

Mathematics are not a universal law. They are a culmination of human observations of the world. It's how we put our observations into something with meaning. Humans however still had to make those observations in the first place. So any process that is born from them is inherently flawed. The galaxy is not built out of numbers. Numbers are something we placed upon it to explain it.

I would be careful with your use of the word never. What happens when, for whatever reason, the universe prevents us from doing it again? Oh right, we can't observe it so it doesn't exist? You're speaking in short-sighted absolutes. If someone is born in and knows only a small room with no windows or doors, she may make some conclusions about what she can observe. And then someone can knock that wall down and everything changes. Her observations and the processes born from those observations will be left irrelevent.

You have valid points to make. Your language making them is a terrible choice.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 07 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[Fenrisfil]

Fenrisfil wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

Mustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendo

Seriously though, she'd make one of these

[iwillkillfortali]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Can this conversation go some where else before I GET VERY ****ING PISSED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gamer_girl]

@iwillkillfortali
*not understanding*
She'd say "what the **** am I doing inside a light bulb?"

[iwillkillfortali]

Fenrisfil wrote...

Fenrisfil wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

Mustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendo

Seriously though, she'd make one of these

You don't even know what this is.

[iwillkillfortali]

gamer_girl wrote...

@iwillkillfortali
*not understanding*
She'd say "what the **** am I doing inside a light bulb?"

This is what was used in the 50's/60's/70's before Transistors were common in eletronics.

[Fenrisfil]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Fenrisfil wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

Mustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendo

WTF?

Well, you know, if it's large enough. Could be humour involved.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 07 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[Olueq]

You know... this thread is about Tali.

[WizenSlinky0]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Can this conversation go some where else before I GET VERY ****ING PISSED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not really. I'm not very interested in the conversation. I just have an unhealthy habit of debating a point I disagree with regardless of my interest in it.

If the conversation stops, it stops. But I don't really need to continue it elsewhere.

[darthrevaninlight]

forthary wrote...

Well Tali's people did have a religion, so they probably had religious holidays. I doubt they celebrate their retreat from Rannoch, and not really much else to celebrate on the fleet. Most cultures have equinox celebrations, so I expect they had similar things and while away from their planet it may have seemed even more important to acknowledge what the seasons would have been.

Given that Rannoch is hot, perhaps their winter festival would be the bigger one. Which pretty much means Christmas and really, who doesn't like getting presents?

Then again, hard to find gifts onboard the fleet. I wonder if they have a Halloween where they all dress up as spiders.

Quarians, I would assume, probably celebrate people rather than seasons as us farming humans do. So I'd guess they'd have days set out for more famous people.
ANd gift-wise, in Ascension, It is said that if a quarian were to have more, it would mean others had less, so everything they owned, they would not truly own, it was more borrowed and shared among others. No one had anything they actually kept to themselves, so the point of gifts would be rather meaningless.

This quarian lack of ownership would explain Tali's possessiveness towards Shepard. Once you finall get that sense of ownership... you wont let it go for anything:innocent:

[Fenrisfil]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Fenrisfil wrote...

Fenrisfil wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

Mustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendo

Seriously though, she'd make one of these

You don't even know what this is.

Dude, It's a guitar amp made with custom vacuum tubes. I know what they are. Metasonix is a company that makes all kinds of cool stuff with them and the more antique the better. They also happen to have a sense of humour and enjoy creating things that make NASTY sounds.

[WizenSlinky0]

If anything I'd say Quarians would celebrate great inventors who created something that truly helped the Quarian people and their mission to survive in great ways. Just seems appropriate to their race.

Gifts would likely be a gesture of some kind. Like repairing a broken heater that the Quarian was unable to repair themselves. Gestures are things that don't need to be shared afterall and keep with their social nature.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 07 avril 2012 - 02:34 .

[iwillkillfortali]

Fenrisfil wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Fenrisfil wrote...

Fenrisfil wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

What would Tali say if you showed her a Vacuum Tube?

Mustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendomustnotmakeinnuendo

Seriously though, she'd make one of these

You don't even know what this is.

Dude, It's a guitar amp made with custom vacuum tubes. I know what they are. Metasonix is a company that makes all kinds of cool stuff with them and the more antique the better. They also happen to have a sense of humour and enjoy creating things that make NASTY sounds.

I have an old RCA tv with Vacuum tubes in it.

[forthary]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

This quarian lack of ownership would explain Tali's possessiveness towards Shepard. Once you finall get that sense of ownership... you wont let it go for anything:innocent:

It's totally understandable in a romantic situation regardless of who or what you are.  But I guess for Tali, it has deeper meaning, as their are few things she feels are truly hers.  Though then again, it does make me wonder if Shepard is Tali's or vice versa.  Be interesting to see them get into a fun argument over who belongs to who...

I rarely get gifts that have a special meaning, and if I had some quarian friends, they may be more likely to give me a gift that meant something.

Modifié par forthary, 07 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[exelsis]

Even by your definition of flawless, the scientific method is so. Not only is there no better way to learn about the universe, but there is no other way of doing so effectively.
It does not matter that mathmatics does not exist as a law, it performs all of its functions without fail.
I believe you misread my statements abou the existance thing. If i said that if we cannot observe it, i made an error. I mean to say that if it cannot be observed, not by us or by anything else in the universe, it does not exist in the universe. Something that cannot be observed necessarily does not interact with any of the four forces, and so has no form or effect within this universe. Therefore, it does not exist within this universe.

But this is really getting off topic for too long.
Here, have a most nekked tali, who would have an extensive education in physics.

Modifié par exelsis, 07 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[Olueq]

Thread.about.Tali.****.

[iwillkillfortali]

Olueq wrote...

Thread.about.Tali.****.

I know right.

[Cheese of Borg]

exelsis wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The only universal truth in this universe is that nothing developed by humans is flawless. Something flawed cannot create something flawless because it does not know what it means to be without flaw.

The scientific method is without flaw, except that it is practiced by beings that are flawed. Mathmatics is something without flaw, created by humans to enable us to quantify and measure. Both math and the scientific method are perfect in themselves, but humans are not perfect. I see that this is becoming "quman explosion mk. II". RERAILING.
Someone, explain this pic to me. I DONT GET IT.

Tali, femshep, Javic, Tali's kid with MaleShep (adopted, but looks like a clone) liare Liara Baby

[exelsis]

Cheese of Borg wrote...

exelsis wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The only universal truth in this universe is that nothing developed by humans is flawless. Something flawed cannot create something flawless because it does not know what it means to be without flaw.

The scientific method is without flaw, except that it is practiced by beings that are flawed. Mathmatics is something without flaw, created by humans to enable us to quantify and measure. Both math and the scientific method are perfect in themselves, but humans are not perfect. I see that this is becoming "quman explosion mk. II". RERAILING.
Someone, explain this pic to me. I DONT GET IT.

Tali, femshep, Javic, Tali's kid with MaleShep (adopted, but looks like a clone) liare Liara Baby

So your theory is that femshep and maleshep both exist within the fiction of this picture? And why does liara have 2 kids? And why the hell does javik have one of them as a sleepy hat? And if that quarian kid is tali's, who is the father? And why would maleshep exist with tali groping femshep all over? Still confused. I'm just going to give up on trying. Wierd threesome/foursome thing going on here...

Modifié par exelsis, 07 avril 2012 - 02:45 .