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[JustAFerret]

Tali with a big daddy? I WANT THAT!
Anywho, her dossier was interesting in my opinion. Especially the...suit logs. It's nice to know that the squaddies have lives outside of killing anyone Shepard points at.

Modifié par JustAFerret, 31 juillet 2011 - 04:06 .

[Cheese of Borg]

Suit logs?

Ohhhhh.... those

I thought you meant "logs"...

[Nashiktal]

I enjoyed arrival despite its facepalming, headesk worthy faults. The sadist in me enjoyed the panic of the enemy, as they are among the few to actually freak out about shep.

[TheWerdna]

Nashiktal wrote...

I enjoyed arrival despite its facepalming, headesk worthy faults. The sadist in me enjoyed the panic of the enemy, as they are among the few to actually freak out about shep.

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

edit: Nevermind, did not see the other comments on the previous page.

Modifié par TheWerdna, 31 juillet 2011 - 04:41 .

[StellarMagic]

Is anyone else a little disturbed that Liara knows exactly what Tali's doing with her suit? Or disturbed by the fact the Shadowbroker knows exactly what applications are in use on her environmental suit somehow... Damn guy knows everything if he knows stuff like that.

One very awkward conversation is bound to ensue...

[TheWerdna]

StellarMagic wrote...

Is anyone else a little disturbed that Liara knows exactly what Tali's doing with her suit? Or disturbed by the fact the Shadowbroker knows exactly what applications are in use on her environmental suit somehow... Damn guy knows everything if he knows stuff like that.

One very awkward conversation is bound to ensue...

or the fact that Shepard actually decides to invaid his team members privact and read the info the Shadowbroker has on them.

[Nashiktal]

TheWerdna wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

Is anyone else a little disturbed that Liara knows exactly what Tali's doing with her suit? Or disturbed by the fact the Shadowbroker knows exactly what applications are in use on her environmental suit somehow... Damn guy knows everything if he knows stuff like that.

One very awkward conversation is bound to ensue...

or the fact that Shepard actually decides to invaid his team members privact and read the info the Shadowbroker has on them.

Privacy? Shep is leading these men to the depths of hell and the fate of the Alliance, and perhaps the galaxy is at stake. As such shep, as the man in charge of this should know everything he possibly can about his squad. One quirk, one bad trait could spell doom for the entire squad. (What if a squadmate freezes up because of a previously unkown fear? What if one squadmate holds a grudge against shep he has no knowledge of?)

[StellarMagic]

It's make more sense to scrub the information before handing it to Shepard...

But alas, it wasn't. Now a paragon Shepard might see the heading for some of the files and skip em... "Suit log, seriously? Okay I should tell Tali that it exists but I shouldn't look... shouldn't... look..."

"Damn it."

-Later-

"What? She had what? Oh, keelah..." Tali shudders and pulls out her omnitool starting a set of highly thorough system scans for the offending piece of spyware. "You didn't read it did you?"

"Well... umm..."

"Shepard!"

[PhantomSpectre]

Huh, finally managed to catch up the all the 40 pages, I had missed. But that means few posts might be quite old, but I try to keep it short.

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

With regards to Tali being angry at the Geth, I'm not so sure that's the word I would use. She definitely doesn't trust them too much. We can deduce that from how she'd rather destroy the Heretics. However it's understandable that she wouldn't trust them due to the Geths prior history with Quarians and the Citadel attack.

If Tali truely does hate all Geth on a racial level (I don't believe she does) then I have 2 words for you; people change. If the paragon charm option is choosen during Tali and Legion's argument, Tali will say the words "Thank
you..." to Legion and give it data about the Migrant Fleet. There is hardly any hate in her voice. Overall I think having Legion on the ship definitely changed her outlook on the Geth in general.

Indeed. I would say that Tali and her opinions about the Geth have changed during her time on both Normandies. Tali's time on second Normandy is much meaningful in her change, but I like to think that all those talks about Geth on first Normandy and Shep siding more with the Geth would have made Tali think about it. 

Anyway if Tali would truly hate Geth, then she wouldn't listen any reasons or suggestions contradicting her ideas. And working with Geth would definitely be one of those options, which would be impossible for someone, who would really hate Geth. But not only Tali had been working with Legion, she had even been civil with it. She had never tried to "accidentally" destroy it during the missions nor had she tried to sabotage it (which is something person full of hate would do). The only time she was truly hostile with Legion was when it had scanned her omni-tool and stealing her fathers work. And even then she tried to talk with it.

Yes, Tali was pointing her weapon at Legion and no one knows, what could have happened if Shep wouldn't have intervined. But point is that Tali didn't out right destroy Legion, even when she had plausible defence for doing that. Legion had not only stole something from her omni-tool, but this particular information at the hands of Geth could have endangered the whole fleet. So, you could say that Tali had "right" to destroy Legion, but instead chose to "talk first" and not "shoot first, talk later". You could say that it was only because of Tali trusted Shepard and his/hers decision to let Legion being part of the crew (she  even says something along this lines). But no amount of trust, reasons or even commands would matter to person, who would truly and plainly hate. And if you choose either Paragon or renegade options (para is much better in this case), Tali would not only let the issue go, but actually voluntarily gave some data for Legion to send back to the Geth. This last part is definitely something person who hates wouldn't do.

So, all of this shows that Tali doesn't really hate Geth.
Dislike. Most definitely. Hate. Not really.

[PhantomSpectre]

Havoc10K wrote...

And yes, you guys are off topic a lot,
this is Tali support thread, and just putting her name here and there
while talking about Legion and quarrians war with the Geth is not making
it an ON TOPIC discussion.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the title of this thread actually made it possible for not only talk about Tali, but also talk about different situations in ME3, which are still Tali related?

Because if this is the case, then Legion and how Tali could work with it and Quarians/Geth war are on topic discussion. Well to the certain point. Like what's Tali's part in this situation and can she or her action actually have impact on one way or another. Also how does this possible Geth/Quarian war will affect to Tali and her role or performance in ME3.

At least this is what I think every time I see the thread title. This thread is about Tali and her role in ME3. So lot of things, which could have effect on Tali, are on topic discussion.

[Shroom man]

I think if you gave Tali that Geth info in ME1, by ME3 they'll have better weapons developed to use against the Geth, at least giving them a fighting chance to take back Rannoch (I think that was the planet). As for Tali's role, it should be whether or not you've supported the war or peace, influencing her to at least give peace with Geth a chance. Though her beliefs about the Geth are strong so there's only so much a Shepard can do. Worst come to worst, we'll have to kill her to stop the war, but I doubt Bioware would go to such lengths as lots of people would have to kill their L.I. then.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

In terms of on topic, it isn't nearly as bad as it used to be

I have never thought about what would have happened with Tali and Legion if Shepard had not intervened. But it wouldn't surprise me if Tali had killed/destroyed Legion. Her hatred of geth is obvious, and at this point, she is not yet completely aware of the difference between Legion's type of geth. Of course, she blames the recent death of her father on geth as well, and with this fresh in her mind, she may well have shot.

If the situation had occurred in ME1, I would have thought Tali wouldn't have shot Legion. But as she has toughened up and become more decisive in ME2. I think that the confrontation would have certainly escalated.

[PhantomSpectre]

Havoc10K wrote...

I think that Quarrians are the best example of "The exterior doesn't matter, it's the inside that matters most" rule
Something Humans can only actually dream about because we are generally looking at the outside of a person first, and then on the inside, in Quarrians case and Tali+Shep romance plot, this is especially present, we need to learn about tali's personality a lot, get to know her, and in the end, Shep gets to see how Tali looks like. In a way this is very romantic

QFT

StellarMagic wrote...

Especially when combined with the factor of it being... well, old friends realizing they could be more then that.  Though in Tali's case I think there was a crush going on there in ME1...  Just something about her speech patterns and the animations she has when you talk to her suggest it to me.

I have always thought that Tali had a crush on Shep in ME1. And there are actually some "proofs" about this crush on ME2.

First we have Kelly comment in here:

I would say that there is just no way, something like that could have happened afterTali joined on Normandy for the second time. No, this "habit" must be something old, which had now just re-emerged. And also it seems that Tali does it without really thinking about it, based on this same comment.

Then second "proof" about Tali's feelings towards Shep is during LofSB and when Liara visits in Shep's cabin. If you romanced Tali, she will say this.
Liara: "And she's been awestruck since you brought her onto the Normandy two years ago."

This further shows that there were something back on first Normandy and others noticed that too.

And if that's not enough, there is always Tali comment:
Tali: "If it were just me? You risked your own life to safe the colonist on Feros, two years ago. Nobody else could have saved them. I watched your face as Liutenant Alenko died on Virmire. I watched you stand strong against everything the galaxy threw at you. I have watched you for so long.... and I never imagined you'd ever see past..... this."

Of course parts of that line changes according to your actions, but the basics are the same. You can't really get stronger evidence of Tali feelings towards Shep even on first Normandy than the hear her admitting it.

Also this one of the reason why I like Tali/Shep romance so much. Tali already had crush on Shepard in ME1, but she might have thought that it's only some passing teenage infatuation and time would solve the issue. However I think that Tali later learned that her feelings were much stronger than just silly crush, when Shepard died. I like to think that this was the first moment, when Tali realised that she had actually truly loved Shepard. (After all, sometimes you dont really know what you have until you have lost it.) And then those feelings (which no doubt she had tried to forget, so she could try to move on) just re-emerged after Shepard came back and Tali join his crew again.

Then Shep's action during her trial and the way how he defended her (and respected her wishes not to show the evidence) were the last nail in the coffin and probably banished the last bits of doubts, Tali might have had ever since living two years without Shep and then suddenly seeing him alive again. So, all that was left was admitting her feelings for Shep and see if he would reciprocated them.

GasFox wrote...

So that means that tali would be "half machine" ?

Well Shepard is already "half machine", so he and Tali would be even more perfect match for each others. :happy:

[FoxShadowblade]

You know, the only thing that really bothers me about Tali/Garrus romances is that their like "Oh hey Shep, you were dead? Cool." And Ashley and Kaidan, even if not romanced are like "OMG I MISSED YOU -slobber-"

..I am disappoint.

[PhantomSpectre]

Jake71887 wrote...

This is Tali with a lightsaber... You're invalid.

*picture snip*

No, no, no. If you need to have Tali (or darth Tali) with lightsaber, it should be this one.

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:48 .

[Havoc10K]

The whole sentence was incorrect, it should be :
Tali has a lightsaber! your argument is invalid!

[PhantomSpectre]

Xarathox wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Quole wrote...
ELABORATE.
Ill admit Arrival was kind of disappointing though.

I didn't like LotSB, Arrival, or Overlord. Overlord mainly because if you take your resident AI expert along on the mission, they should have something to say when **** hits the fan. The other two because I was not interested in the content and only saw things that struck me as negative.

Overlord actually made me strengthen my resolve to put a bullet into TIM the second that options comes up. Not often do I feel absolute rage towards a fictional character, but that did it.

LotSB was fun, but too damn short.

Arrival, was fun up until I got shoehorned into blowing up 305k Batarians without any decision given to me to not do that. No matter which path you play, you get shafted for it.

Edit: I may replay my canon shep and skip doing Arrival altogether, even though that goes against my 1 playthrough rule for that save file. That is, of course, if the trial on earth is actually different for those who didn't play arrival.

What I have heard, it doesn't really matter if you have played Arrival DLC or not. You have already killed those 300k Batarians as default choice for ME3.

[Homebound]

any1 into modding? i was hoping for a mod like where u got approval when u slapped morrigan, except u gain paragon when u hugged tali at your discretion.

[Havoc10K]

cheap ways of making paragon/renegade points ? I am strongly against it.

[oldharryold]

[Havoc10K]

wow liara looks fat

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Something tells me if Shepard hadn't showed up than Tali may have been walking away with a broken arm or something. Legion does have the strongest shields in the game and he's very fast the first few shots would have been reflected and then he would have disarmed her.

[Havoc10K]

Something tells me if Shep didn't butt in... Tali would put on Tsundere face and bashed Legion with Excalibolg XDD

So Shep actually saved Legion XD

[alex90c]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Quole wrote...
ELABORATE.
Ill admit Arrival was kind of disappointing though.

I didn't like LotSB, Arrival, or Overlord. Overlord mainly because if you take your resident AI expert along on the mission, they should have something to say when **** hits the fan. The other two because I was not interested in the content and only saw things that struck me as negative.

I took Legion, Tali and Miranda along at various points of Overlord, and not hearing them say anything just sucked.

edit -typo, lol

Modifié par alex90c, 31 juillet 2011 - 04:11 .