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[Pathero]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Rickets wrote...

I prefer Drew's original idea for the ending. It had something to do with Dark energy and the reapers were "harvesting" to save themselves from "dark energy" as hinted in the previous games. (ME1 codex, ME2 Tali's recruitment mission).

Can't confirm it but I read from multiple sources.

I concur, the idea was solid. Also would probably have added some more scientific exploration missions in ME3, which was a whole world war setting in space, and thus constant...well, bad feelings, you know, losses and all.

Maybe if they finally get him back after the next Star Wars failure we can get back to that.

The problem I have with the whoe 'I prefer the dark energy ending' is that it could still quite easily have been utter, utter dirt.  Because it was never made, we'll never know.  It could have been great, or it could have been Worse.

Your not even talking about just changing the ending but the whole plot. And I'm not even sure it would affect the mission types that much.  How would going from the current story to Dark Energy affect Tuchunka or Rannoch.
Regardless of what happened the Quarians would still have gone to war, the Geth would probably have still gone to the Reapers and any attempt to cure the Genophage would have met with the same resistance from the Dalatress.

It was so significantly different from what we got that frankly it is impossible to tell.   I will admit that I'm not even sure where they were going, beyond the Tali recruitment mission and the occasional mumble about how the reapers were trying to stop the build up of dark energy or something and that humans were unique because of their genetic diversity.

Anyway I've gone off topic.  Tali is awesome.

Modifié par Pathero, 13 avril 2012 - 12:22 .

[skwisgaarthegod]

Pathero wrote...
*wallofsnip*

Anyway I've gone off topic.  Tali is awesome.

You're right, but really we're just trying to grasp anything other than what we got, even if it is a completely different plot line. And being off topic is normal around here, because this is basically a discuss anything thread which occasionally breaks into a Tali discussion.

[TrueMadayar]

To follow up on my last post, I just asked the Kaidanmancers.

The Engineering bug is known, but probably unfixable according to the programmers. Meaning when Kaidan lives, we miss out on Tali's dialogue, also on all Kenneth/Gabby-dialogue, and the Kenneth/Gabby dating. Forever. For somehow that was linked with Ashley's standing with Shepard. When she's dead, no standing...

[nitefyre410]

lomifeh wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't know that it was necessarily handled badly. Why am I like the only person who has 0 problems with how they handled her face? O_o

You aren't.  I have no problems with her face handling.  I'd have liked more but that is understandable.

  

Your not - I had the no problem with it at all - the only thing I have a problem if anything is it was hasty photoshop job and there was no care put into.... this whole "Quarians need to look "Alien" is kind mut because they and Asari are the most human like speices from everthing that is said - They have eyes, nose, mouth, lips and everything else.

[skwisgaarthegod]

TrueMadayar wrote...

To follow up on my last post, I just asked the Kaidanmancers.

The Engineering bug is known, but probably unfixable according to the programmers. Meaning when Kaidan lives, we miss out on Tali's dialogue, also on all Kenneth/Gabby-dialogue, and the Kenneth/Gabby dating. Forever. For somehow that was linked with Ashley's standing with Shepard. When she's dead, no standing...

What? I missed all of that? DAMNIT I didn't even know until now. OK killing Kaiden in this playthrough.

[gamer_girl]

I don't even care. Rather not deal with Ashley. I can easily youtube the convos in engineering.

[skwisgaarthegod]

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't even care. Rather not deal with Ashley. I can easily youtube the convos in engineering.

As annoying as she is (sorry ashleymancer if you show up, I don't want to start another warmance), I do love to get the full experience when I play it, so I think I'll endure. Plus in ME2/3 I was always waiting for Ken and Gabby to finally get together.

[TrueMadayar]

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't even care. Rather not deal with Ashley. I can easily youtube the convos in engineering.

Dusty Everman wrote...

To my great sadness and embarrassment, it
looks like there is a bug here that got introduced just before ship. It
looks like the test for "is it time for ambient dialog in engineering"
accidentally got switched to "are you good friends with Ashley". How
did this bug happen? I have no idea, and need to do some detective
work. This doesn't just block Ken and Gabby banter, but I think this
blocks some Tali and Garrus banter in engineering too. As it stands now
to see that banter, I believe you'll need to get Ashley in your party
and take her on missions and/or give Ashley lots of attention by
speaking to her and giving her the gift in the hospital. If you have
Kaidan in your game, obviously this can't be done, and that sucks.

Though
the fix is easy, the difficult part is getting the fix into a patch of
some sort. Getting content fixes into patches is much harder than you'd
think. It's a giant process. I'll try to get that fix through, but
sadly, the odds of getting this type of fix into a patch is very low.
It just kills me that so many of the people who care about Ken and Gabby
(those of you reading this forum) didn't get to see that content. I
tested the heck out of it too for weeks before ship. You just don't now
how sorry I am.

To be found here.

I don't want to deal with Ashley. I love the drunk scene (on youtube), but everything else, nonono.

But there seems to be a workaround. A simple number change from anything to 8 (friends), not 9 (love interest). They know this, but making it into a patch is obviously not possible or likely...we must change it ourselves.

As soon as I have that workaround figured out, I will edit it in plain speech and post it here. It also kills the banter between Tali and Garrus in engineering - the one darthrevaninlight drew and I never saw....

[edit] Another statement on page three of said link:

Dusty Everman wrote...

I’ve heard a couple people ask that
if a fix is easy, why would a patch be difficult? That’s a very good
question. Here are a few reasons why.

1. Fixing a bug could accidentally introduce worse bugs.


The Gabby/Ken bug is a great example of this. It turns out that just
before ship QA found a bug where an Ashley dialog on the Citadel could
get stuck under certain import/game mode situations. The person who
fixed that bug unknowing introduced the Gabby/Ken bug, and this was
after Gabby/Ken had been tested. The Ashley fix was tested on the
Citadel, but of course the whole game of 30+ hours with many import and
choice variations can’t be retested for every small change. That
portion of the Normandy wasn’t retested because we believed it hadn’t
been changed and was solid.

2. There can be technical issues.


In this case, the bug was introduced in a tool we call Story Manager.
As of today, changes in Story Manager content can’t really be put into a
patch due to some technical limitations. Our programmers are fixing
those limitations, but until that work is actually successful, we can’t
be 100% sure that Story Manager fixes can happen.

3. Content fixes in DLC bloat downloads.

Sometimes
we can do fixes in the content instead of the code. However, this adds
to the size of download on your disk, and due to how the content is
structured, you don’t just get the fix. You get a copy of a bunch of
other stuff, so depending on the situation, the amount added could be
large.

4. The people who notice the fix may be so small as to not offset the risks and costs of a fix.


For example with the Ken/Gabby bug, the only people who notice that bug
are those that imported a save game from ME2 where Ken and Gabby
survived the Collector base, and they care enough about Ken and Gabby to
recruit them again and go down and visit them in engineering. Though
I’d like to believe that is a huge number of people, truthfully it’s
probably a small fraction of the players. As with everything in life,
our resources aren’t infinite, so we need to make judgment calls of were
to apply our QA and development efforts.

I’m in no way saying
that the Ken/Gabby bug won’t be fixed. Actually, I’m more encouraged
than ever that the fix will get put into a future patch or DLC. We just
can’t make any promises. I just wanted to shed some light on why
knowing about a fix isn’t the same as being able to deliver a fix. I
know that any answer that isn’t “We will fix 100% of the known bugs”
will make some people angry, and I apologize for that. If we followed
that, it would be impossible for us to make a large, rich game for you.
I can say that everyone on our team cares deeply about the quality of
experience we are providing to you. We do try our best.

Modifié par TrueMadayar, 13 avril 2012 - 01:10 .

[T.Attwood]

Hi Guy's! I have just completed ME3 for the first time after following the ME series from the start in 2007, and I really enjoyed Tali's storyline. But after seeing the ending (I am sure you can guess what I am about to say...), I feel bloody awful! I took the paragon option and saw the ending where Tali is now stuck on some unknown planet and will never know what happened to Shepard. Looking back, it puts her 'I wish I had more time' phrase into painful context. This is a truly horrible ending to a love story that I've enjoyed following over several years.

[bazzag]

skwisgaarthegod wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't even care. Rather not deal with Ashley. I can easily youtube the convos in engineering.

As annoying as she is (sorry ashleymancer if you show up, I don't want to start another warmance), I do love to get the full experience when I play it, so I think I'll endure. Plus in ME2/3 I was always waiting for Ken and Gabby to finally get together.

Funnily, ash always seems to survive virmire, and i'm not sure why. I think its because shes used more and is more beneficial to me as a team mate. But i do have one with kaidan living.

As for ken and gab, im probably not that fussed, seeming as i hardly ever go into that part of engineering...

Anyway, HI GUYS!

[ViolentSleep]

TrueMadayar wrote...

To follow up on my last post, I just asked the Kaidanmancers.

The Engineering bug is known, but probably unfixable according to the programmers. Meaning when Kaidan lives, we miss out on Tali's dialogue, also on all Kenneth/Gabby-dialogue, and the Kenneth/Gabby dating. Forever. For somehow that was linked with Ashley's standing with Shepard. When she's dead, no standing...

I think one of the devs posted regarding this error. They know which integer gets checked and which one should be. Apparently it is an easy fix, but the problem is getting it into an update. Updates are huge deals and require a lot of planning and stuff before they can go live. A small error like an incorrect variable check is too small to warrant an update, and getting it into an update is equally as difficult.

Relevant thread.

Modifié par ViolentSleep, 13 avril 2012 - 01:18 .

[TrueMadayar]

Yeah, but this is relevant to Talimancers since they miss out on Tali blowing up the drive core and on Tali bickering with Garrus over the intercom.

But the workaround seems to work. Take an early ME3 save with this program, change int 10330 and 10314 so that their combined value is 8, and we can hear more Tali.

[EDIT] Befitting the topic, have a Tali in Engineering.

Modifié par TrueMadayar, 13 avril 2012 - 01:24 .

[skwisgaarthegod]

Aww watching the PAX panel they're all such nice guys. Now I feel bad for all my hating Especially the guy who wrote Tali.

[gort701]

This may have been answered elsewhere but I need to know if I can pursue Tali. I flirted with her a lot in ME2 but never actually slept with her as I was pursuing Miranda. All guides I've seen say a previous relationship is required but does this mean you have to have slept with her? I do not want to waste time pursuing Ashley or Liara but also don't want to miss the cut off point for either of them if I can't have Tali. I have only just started playing and I dont want to go past the point of no return.

[bazzag]

If tali wasn't your love interest in me2 then shes a no go in me3

[Doctor Uburian]

skwisgaarthegod wrote...

Aww watching the PAX panel they're all such nice guys. Now I feel bad for all my hating Especially the guy who wrote Tali.

Everything related to the ending is Hudson's responsibility. (He assumed complete control) 

The writing team did a good job with the game.

[skwisgaarthegod]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

skwisgaarthegod wrote...

Aww watching the PAX panel they're all such nice guys. Now I feel bad for all my hating Especially the guy who wrote Tali.

Everything related to the ending is Hudson's responsibility. (He assumed complete control) 

The writing team did a good job with the game.

Damn my pity-taking on them, I am feeling less angry about the stuff, and am a bit more optimistic about the extended cut hearing what they had to say about it. 

[bazzag]

I think the thing is even if they don't want to admit they ballsed up the ending, they know it didn't come across the way they wanted it to. They know that if they want to make the fans happy, they need to do some good work, otherwise...

[IElitePredatorI]

Hi everyone! So, we have gone from dinosaurs to PAX I see.

[gamer_girl]

I think it's about time people started feeling empathetic. It's not like the devs are robots that are intentionally trying to make a bad game (ME3 wasn't even bad, it was great just the ending was flawed). They are real people trying to make the best game they can and actually aren't perfect just like every other human being on the planet. Everyone makes mistakes or have bad judgement calls. But they're only human - I think people are bing a bit too harsh and have shoved really pointy sticks up their own bums just for drama's sake.

[IElitePredatorI]

gamer_girl wrote...

I think it's about time people started feeling empathetic. It's not like the devs are robots that are intentionally trying to make a bad game (ME3 wasn't even bad, it was great just the ending was flawed). They are real people trying to make the best game they can and actually aren't perfect just like every other human being on the planet. Everyone makes mistakes or have bad judgement calls. But they're only human - I think people are bing a bit too harsh and have shoved really pointy sticks up their own bums just for drama's sake.

Yes, some people forget this. Some of these people on this site have made many extreme pathetic threads of what should happen to Bioware and certain employees because of the ending, some of the are just insane.

Modifié par IElitePredatorI, 13 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[skwisgaarthegod]

I may have gotten a bit carried away.. I still maintain that the ending was a steaming pile and I have no idea how they managed to screw it up that bad, but at least they want to make a good ending for us/make us understand what they were getting at and they still did awesome for the rest. I still do not trust them, but I will give them a shot.

[Doctor Uburian]

gamer_girl wrote...

I think it's about time people started feeling empathetic. It's not like the devs are robots that are intentionally trying to make a bad game (ME3 wasn't even bad, it was great just the ending was flawed). They are real people trying to make the best game they can and actually aren't perfect just like every other human being on the planet. Everyone makes mistakes or have bad judgement calls. But they're only human - I think people are bing a bit too harsh and have shoved really pointy sticks up their own bums just for drama's sake.

That's why i have give Bioware a second chance.
Ironically, is our empathy for the saga's characters what caused all this depresion. 

[bazzag]

gamer_girl wrote...

I think it's about time people started feeling empathetic. It's not like the devs are robots that are intentionally trying to make a bad game (ME3 wasn't even bad, it was great just the ending was flawed). They are real people trying to make the best game they can and actually aren't perfect just like every other human being on the planet. Everyone makes mistakes or have bad judgement calls. But they're only human - I think people are bing a bit too harsh and have shoved really pointy sticks up their own bums just for drama's sake.

Very true. Personally, i've never been harsh on them. Yes the ending was poo, but i have to believe that they tried something that just didn't quite work. They have a good team of writers, so i can't believe its shoddy writing. I have to believe that they attempted something thought provoking and complicated, but it just went belly up.

[-N7-Seeker]

About the Extended Cut:

They won't change the ending, they stated that. Wthey will expand it. More cutsences. I belive they can still come out good. If you destroed the reapers, there is achance of survival, if your EMS is high enought. So Shepard is basically still alive, but the game stopped there. If they expand it, and we can unite iwth our LI (Tali) again will give everyone a relief. For the space magic? I do not care.