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[TrueMadayar]

Doctor Uburian wrote...


That's why i have give Bioware a second chance.
Ironically, is our empathy for the saga's characters what caused all this depresion. 

Yeah...you care, you die, as if this really was the war they make us fight in the game. It shouldn't be like that. There should be some consolence at the end that the rest will survive, and all will go well in the end...and there isn't, not for people who actually thought about the saga, for example Mass Relays exploding or even missing and all that. Also not to people who don't betray allies (Geth), or just want their love interest not to fall into sorrow after Shepard's death.

And they failed. Whoever wrote the ending failed. And of course Mr. Hudson must take the blame, he's the lead designer. Being the boss more often than not means taking the blame for the doings of your staff. Especially if they did stuff wrong. Maybe he didn't do anything to it. Maybe he let his writers design it, maybe he had even doubts and uttered them, but the writers wanted it so. Maybe he just respected their artistic integrity, and defends them to the outside, a.k.a. us, because that's what a boss does when he's dedicated to his staff. Still, I do give him blame. Even if he didn't come up with the ending, he should've stopped it, and fought for another one, the time for his staff towards EA (delaying the game again), and against whoever pitched it. Because the ending is inconsistent, illogical, seemingly genocidal nonsense, and that's what's just regrettable.

*started a new import and playthrough, now with the imported face, altered the savegame, and is going back to killing Ash in previous playthroughs*

[Deoku]

gamer_girl wrote...

I think it's about time people started feeling empathetic. It's not like the devs are robots that are intentionally trying to make a bad game (ME3 wasn't even bad, it was great just the ending was flawed). They are real people trying to make the best game they can and actually aren't perfect just like every other human being on the planet. Everyone makes mistakes or have bad judgement calls. But they're only human - I think people are bing a bit too harsh and have shoved really pointy sticks up their own bums just for drama's sake.

 This 100%, glad Im not the only one who thought this way.

Modifié par Deoku, 13 avril 2012 - 01:52 .

[skwisgaarthegod]

-N7-Seeker wrote...

About the Extended Cut:

They won't change the ending, they stated that. Wthey will expand it. More cutsences. I belive they can still come out good. If you destroed the reapers, there is achance of survival, if your EMS is high enought. So Shepard is basically still alive, but the game stopped there. If they expand it, and we can unite iwth our LI (Tali) again will give everyone a relief. For the space magic? I do not care.

Okay I think I've got a good idea of what will make me okay with it. If they can explain what happens to the thousands of ships I brought to Earth with me after the relays are destroyed, and if they can explain whats up with the normandy running, how all these problems mean that the galaxy isn't screwed anyway, and what the hell happened to Tali, then I may be able to overlook the awful 10 minutes with star child and start liking Bioware again.

[XenoAlbedo]

I love how Bioware just can't admit that their ending is bad and needs complete revision. They're just being as stubborn as can be and defending their work like an 8 year old defends COD. We need new endings entirely! For Tali! These new cutscenes better involve rebuilding the relays, rescuing the crew, and a house on Rannoch...

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 13 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[skwisgaarthegod]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

I love how Bioware just can't admit that their ending is bad and need complete revision. They're just being as stubborn as can be and defending their work like an 8 year old defends COD. We need new endings entirely! For Tali! These new cutscenes better involve rebuilding the relays, rescuing the crew, and a house on Rannoch...

We do, and its wrong that its not happening, but it won't. I think at least some of them no they dun goofed, but you can't just admit that you did wrong, it looks bad. I think I remember a while a go one of the stars of some movie admitted that they messed some of it up, and he got a spanking for that. Especially with EA at the reins, Bioware can't just do that. I wish they could but the world sucks

Modifié par skwisgaarthegod, 13 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

skwisgaarthegod wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

About the Extended Cut:

They won't change the ending, they stated that. Wthey will expand it. More cutsences. I belive they can still come out good. If you destroed the reapers, there is achance of survival, if your EMS is high enought. So Shepard is basically still alive, but the game stopped there. If they expand it, and we can unite iwth our LI (Tali) again will give everyone a relief. For the space magic? I do not care.

Okay I think I've got a good idea of what will make me okay with it. If they can explain what happens to the thousands of ships I brought to Earth with me after the relays are destroyed, and if they can explain whats up with the normandy running, how all these problems mean that the galaxy isn't screwed anyway, and what the hell happened to Tali, then I may be able to overlook the awful 10 minutes with star child and start liking Bioware again.

This,

Loads of great storys are full of plotholes, Why did the fellowship not just fly by eagle to mount doom? Why does every bond villan not just shoot 007 on sight, through the head, and put his body in a woodchipper to ensure he can't come back...

BUUUT... Most people ignore this becuase what they get is satisfying  in some way, and its left to the tiny minority  who watch star wars frame by frame (no offence to anyone who does!) to argue these points and nitpick. I think the Devs problem with the ending, was they failed to convey what they meant or happened. Perhaps if you have an Idea where the series could be going after this, and if every burp you make could be made into cannon, the ending makes sense and is ok, but for a large number of people, given all the information they are presented with on the screen, they come to a negative conclusion about what happened.


Also to stay on topic I think Tali is awesome

[gamer_girl]

I can see that they were deactivated and not destroyed. That would fit with the "destruction" of the relays not explosing entire systems along with it too. The problem could just be that the relays are broken now and just need to be rebuilt.

[bazzag]

I think it also doesn't help that they said that the ending wasn't a simple a,b or c choice and that we would get closure.

[skwisgaarthegod]

gamer_girl wrote...

I can see that they were deactivated and not destroyed. That would fit with the "destruction" of the relays not explosing entire systems along with it too. The problem could just be that the relays are broken now and just need to be rebuilt.

That would be nice, but didn't the relays explode everywhere?

bazzag wrote...

I think it also doesn't help that they said that the ending wasn't a simple a,b or c choice and that we would get closure.

 
Also this, they lied to us which just added insult to injury. I get that changes happen over the development cycle, but if you're changing a fundamental aspect and value of the series, then you're doing it wrong.

Modifié par skwisgaarthegod, 13 avril 2012 - 02:09 .

[bazzag]

gamer_girl wrote...

I can see that they were deactivated and not destroyed. That would fit with the "destruction" of the relays not explosing entire systems along with it too. The problem could just be that the relays are broken now and just need to be rebuilt.

And if you choose to destroy the reaps, look at all that reaper tech scattered around...

That would give you a head start in rebuilding the relays.

[IElitePredatorI]

I know a lot of them got wiped out but there are many members from each advanced race still around and on Earth. Also, as bazzag has posted above im sure all the scattered reaper tech will make it a lot easier to rebuild.

[nitefyre410]

gamer_girl wrote...

I think it's about time people started feeling empathetic. It's not like the devs are robots that are intentionally trying to make a bad game (ME3 wasn't even bad, it was great just the ending was flawed). They are real people trying to make the best game they can and actually aren't perfect just like every other human being on the planet. Everyone makes mistakes or have bad judgement calls. But they're only human - I think people are bing a bit too harsh and have shoved really pointy sticks up their own bums just for drama's sake.

  

though yes  we should  be empathic towards the devs  that does not absolve them of  the mistake that was  made. Honestly alot of people would  calm down  if they just came out said.. "We Made a  mistake" instead they have taken a stance of aggorrance  and vain paid...its very hard to be empathic towards.   They should follow  Modins example...

"My mistake, my responibilty, have to do this."     

Casey Hudson nor  Mac Walters have faced any of the heat, they have hid behind, PR , Jesscia Meltzan and other people letthing them take the heat for them. 

Because I mean really what would it hurt to add a simple retconn, tweak everything some and just add the option to reject the Catalyst?

Still we digress  and trend off topic this thread about Tal and not the  charlie foxtrot of the endings...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 13 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[bazzag]

skwisgaarthegod wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I can see that they were deactivated and not destroyed. That would fit with the "destruction" of the relays not explosing entire systems along with it too. The problem could just be that the relays are broken now and just need to be rebuilt.

That would be nice, but didn't the relays explode everywhere?

Aye, but a thought just came to me. Again, this is if you destroy the reaps.
Did the omega 4 relay connect to another? I don't recall seeing one.
If thats the case, then you don't need the relays completly functional, you can use the IFFs

[gamer_girl]

skwisgaarthegod wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I can see that they were deactivated and not destroyed. That would fit with the "destruction" of the relays not explosing entire systems along with it too. The problem could just be that the relays are broken now and just need to be rebuilt.

That would be nice, but didn't the relays explode everywhere?

bazzag wrote...

I think it also doesn't help that they said that the ending wasn't a simple a,b or c choice and that we would get closure.

 
Also this, they lied to us which just added insult to injury. I get that changes happen over the development cycle, but if you're changing a fundamental aspect and value of the series, then you're doing it wrong.

They could easily say it was EMP, not an actual explosion. That way it's just a temporary setback, as the Normandy only crash landed since it was temporarily shut down when the reapers were destroyed.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

bazzag wrote...


Aye, but a thought just came to me. Again, this is if you destroy the reaps.
Did the omega 4 relay connect to another? I don't recall seeing one.
If thats the case, then you don't need the relays completly functional, you can use the IFFs

It must have, there was no way for the normandy to get back otherwise. It must have been hidden by the debris, or ships still drift quite a bit more than usual even with the IFF, so don't come out so near it.

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 13 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[IElitePredatorI]

No matter what happened we all know Tali is fine.

Modifié par IElitePredatorI, 13 avril 2012 - 02:17 .

[skwisgaarthegod]

gamer_girl wrote...

They could easily say it was EMP, not an actual explosion. That way it's just a temporary setback, as the Normandy only crash landed since it was temporarily shut down when the reapers were destroyed.

Well I guess it could work, tweak the cutscene (oh wait they're not doing that are they?) so that the mass relays just shut themselves down, but still sending the shockwave everywhere?

[bazzag]

IElitePredatorI wrote...

No matter what happened we all know Tali is fine.

Unless shes stranded on a planet with no dextro food in which case she will waste away and die a horrible painful death...

[BigglesFlysAgain]

bazzag wrote...

IElitePredatorI wrote...

No matter what happened we all know Tali is fine.

Unless shes stranded on a planet with no dextro food in which case she will waste away and die a horrible painful death...

Well all we can hope is the normandy still has quite a lot of food supplies in reserve

[forthary]

gamer_girl wrote...

Don'rt get me wrong, Tali would be in that perma-dream, just she'd be my BFF and I'd sleep over at her house and we'd watch girly things and talk about girly things. She just wouldn't be living with me like Sheploo would be. And she'd be dating Garrus or Kal Reegar provided he didn't die.

Sounds like you and Tali would have a lot of fun.  Just don't make your Sheploo Jealous!

[IElitePredatorI]

bazzag wrote...

IElitePredatorI wrote...

No matter what happened we all know Tali is fine.

Unless shes stranded on a planet with no dextro food in which case she will waste away and die a horrible painful death...

That wasn't the ending hahaha.... yea...

[Doctor Uburian]

bazzag wrote...

IElitePredatorI wrote...

No matter what happened we all know Tali is fine.

Unless shes stranded on a planet with no dextro food in which case she will waste away and die a horrible painful death...

Or unless the Stargazer scene is true and everyone died a long time ago  (they need to delete that painfull scene)

[gamer_girl]

They don't even have to edit the cutscene. The mass relays are held together by a type of energy (it would be convenient if it was electromagnetic energy) they are not actually "together". So when that pulse of energy went out from the citadel to shut down/control/merge the reapers, it also caused the relays to release all of their electromagnetic energy in the form of an EMP, temporarily disabling all technology within the blast, and effectively making the parts of the relays drift apart since they are no longer being held together.

[skwisgaarthegod]

Ok well I must go now. Good talk people. Good night!

[BigglesFlysAgain]

gamer_girl wrote...

They don't even have to edit the cutscene. The mass relays are held together by a type of energy (it would be convenient if it was electromagnetic energy) they are not actually "together". So when that pulse of energy went out from the citadel to shut down/control/merge the reapers, it also caused the relays to release all of their electromagnetic energy in the form of an EMP, temporarily disabling all technology within the blast, and effectively making the parts of the relays drift apart since they are no longer being held together.

Trying to rationalise science and space magic? Good luck