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[HellBovine]

Ummm, why would they ever come to friendly terms?

[PhantomSpectre]

StellarMagic wrote...

lol.

I think it's more likely Tali had feelings in ME1 but didn't understand what they represented... she is on a rite of passage for adulthood so maybe her experience with love and attraction simply wasn't there.

I seriously am curious about Shala'Raan's reaction. I think Kal Reegar would probably just laugh. "Ma'am... it was obvious."

I have always liked to think that Tali had feelings towards Shep in ME1, but she thought that they were more of just some teenage/pilgrimage crush. Something, which would get over with time. However Shepards death and the feel of losing him showed her that her feelings were just not simple crush, but much more.

And when she saw Shepard again in Freedom's progress, it showed her that she haven't actually yet moved on and she still feels to same way. After all it does seems that those feelings are there, no matter if you actually romanced her or not. It's just question of do you want to explore this or not as player. (Well in cases where you gave that evidence to admirality or sided with Legion in that argument, I'm not so sure about how she feels).

HellBovine wrote...

Isn't the only way to turn Ashley down to pull rank on her when shes being racist or nuke her?

Pretty much. But it's harder with Liara. After all if you're at all friendly with her, then pam, you can't get rid of her, even if you would want. (This happened to me in first playthrough).

After that I have learned very simple way to avoid any "unwanted relationships". I don't talk at all with Ash or Liara on Normandy. It's quaranteed you won't get romance this way if you don't want.

StellarMagic wrote...

I always endeavor to be well written and smart... XP

I don't expect Shep and Tali to have an easy time of it post ME2... lets face it some of the mechanisms Quarians use to adapt to each other simply aren't available to them. Link suit environments? Shepard doesn't have an
environmental suit. Which means the only way for Tali to adapt to him is repeated exposure, which is dangerous as hell.

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 03 août 2011 - 06:15 .

[HellBovine]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Pretty much. But it's harder with Liara. After all if you're at all friendly with her, then pam, you can't get rid of her, even if you would want. (This happened to me in first playthrough).

After that I have learned very simple way to avoid any "unwanted relationships". I don't talk at all with Ash or Liara on Normandy. It's quaranteed you won't get romance this way if you don't want.

I thought you can choose a just wanna be friends with Liara option to avoid romance, thats what I did.

[PhantomSpectre]

arafinwe_ingalaure wrote...

What if Male Shep is allergic to Tali ? What if Tali's saliva is a mighty acid ? ME 2 is a game, they can do whatever they want with it

Well, I wouldn't worry much about Tali's saliva or bodily fluids hurting Shepard. If Shepard can survive from drinking poison, then Tali won't be nothing compared to that.

Now Tali's pouncing or other physical actions....... those are something Shepard should be more worried.

sitesunseen wrote...

I don't think we know for sure how tali and sheps relationship will be in ME3. Bioware said tali has "unfinished business relationship with shephard" .

Fixed.

But really I think that this line was more of reference to romance from ME2. Also I wouldn't actually be that surprised if Tali would make a move on Shep in ME3, if you haven't romanced her before or if you don't have any active romances at all. After all it does seems that Tali had harboured feelings for Shep quite long time.

[PhantomSpectre]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

I've been patient with that **** for a while.  If she tries to mock, and or insult my relationship with Tali, then that patience is up.
I can see the interview now

Reporter: Shepard, rumor's have it that you may be in a relationship with a quarian of all things. Now it's obvious that these rumors are false, but do you have anything to say about them regardless?

Shepard: Yes, I do. First off, those rumors are completely true.

Reporter: But she's a- (shepard cuts her off)

Shepard: Secondly, she's not a thing, she's a quarian, a person. Tali'Zorah vas Normandy, a proud member of the Migrant fleet.

Reporter: I still don't see how- (shepard cuts her off again)

Shepard: Thirdly, the person you're referring to as a thing, is one of the only reason this god damn station is still standing. If it wasn't for her support, human colonies would still be disapearing, and the collectors would still be at large.

Reporter: This still doesn't explain-

Shepard, in a cold, intimidating voice: Cut me off... One more time. Tali'Zorah is the one thing that keeps me going. When I can't move on any farther, she pulls me through. When I lose all hope, she brings it back to me. If you can't see what that means to me, then you're not worth my time.

Reporter: So what you're saying is that you'd prefer to love a suit, instead of a normal human being?

Shepard: (Gives a cold glare) Is this camera transmitting live?

Reporter: Yes, why?

Shepard: (Pulls out phalanx pistol, and lets the laser sight rest on her forehead) You're lucky I don't consider you worth a shot. (Points pistol at camera) This interview is over. (shoots camera)

This is awesome and definitely something I would do, if this would be chance in ME3. (Plain punching, as satisfying it would be in this case, is just too boring.)

[T.Attwood]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Not to mention Rannoch would be really good leverage for Geth in peace negotiation. If the planet is habitable and Geth are ready to give it to Quarians, you can bet Quarians would be ready to go quite far to full fill those condition.

Also if Rannoch is habitable and Geth wants to give it to them, then peace is more likely.

Then again I doubt that Geth had sustained Rannoch because they thought it could help to get peace with Quarian. They had some other reasons. And somehow I think that Geth wouldn't even think about the possibility of giving Rannoch back to Quarians if they would agreed with peace, if Shepard (and you as player) wouldn't mention this possibility.

I think I can now see what Bioware have been aiming for when developing the story over ME1 and ME2, so these kinds of options will be available in ME3. For example, during Tali's trial, you have the option of voicing your opinion for peace, war with the Geth, etc. It looks like that is the reason why the story has been written such that the Geth have maintained Rannoch and not devastated it. Therefore, the players choices during ME2 will dictate whether you get back Rannoch, or the Quarians/Geth/everybody gets killed, etc. I can see players restarting games with ME1 to change the outcomes of ME3 (playing through the comic books isn't nearly as much fun).

HellBovine wrote...
If you play on PC you can mod to allow you to do the recruitment missions for whatever squad member you want early. Heres the guide for how to do it: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1585456

Thanks for the info, HellBovine! Sadly, I play it on the 360. What I did find interesting though, is while reading though the guide, it mentions what @Terumitsu said about the constrains were added purely for the console versions.

[HellBovine]

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm talking about prior and during ME2.

They obviously have reached friendly terms seeing as they freely give Cerberus what little data they get out of Veetor if you return him.

They also permit Tali to serve on a Cerberus ship and allow said Cerberus ship access to the fleet. In Miranda and Jacob's case they even allow full-on Cerberus personnel on board.

Clearly they've mostly buried the hatched.

Hell, even Tali doesn't seem all THAT hostile. I do wonder if Shepard hadn't been there on Freedom's Progress what might have happened.

I'm pretty sure if anyone other than Shep was there that the quarians would end up fighting Cerberus, only reason they are on speaking terms is his presence.

Tali is not blatantly hostile while onboard the ship because she is there for Shep, and causing problems while on board would not be helpful. I don't doubt she was considering shooting Jacob in the face when she got on board.

[AnimaTempli101]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

Now here's an idea I want to float, just to gauge reaction. Tali said that, if they retook Rannoch it would mean 60 years of genetic alteration to allow them to live outside their suits. Now how about if, while fighting aboard their base beyond the Omega 4 Relay, someone did a data mine of the Collectors' (reknowned for their conduction of genetic experiments) and gave Mordin Solus (perhaps one of the greatest geneticist in the galaxy) the ensuing data and thus, after a period of time to work things out (two years?) he was able to bring the 60 year estimate to a shorter timespan (say, ten to fifteen?)

Does that sound agreeable, without being too 'magic' , to the rest of you?

[Improving_a_point]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

Now here's an idea I want to float, just to gauge reaction. Tali said that, if they retook Rannoch it would mean 60 years of genetic alteration to allow them to live outside their suits. Now how about if, while fighting aboard their base beyond the Omega 4 Relay, someone did a data mine of the Collectors' (reknowned for their conduction of genetic experiments) and gave Mordin Solus (perhaps one of the greatest geneticist in the galaxy) the ensuing data and thus, after a period of time to work things out (two years?) he was able to bring the 60 year estimate to a shorter timespan (say, ten to fifteen?)

Does that sound agreeable, without being too 'magic' , to the rest of you?

The Collector Base is nothing but space dust now

[PhantomSpectre]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

Yeah why? TIM's been indoctrinated and those two have a history. Everyone's gonna be fighting the Reapers and Cerberus.

I'm talking about prior and during ME2.

1. They obviously have reached friendly terms seeing as they freely give Cerberus what little data they get out of Veetor if you return him.

2. They also permit Tali to serve on a Cerberus ship and allow said Cerberus ship access to the fleet.

3. In Miranda and Jacob's case they even allow full-on Cerberus personnel on board.

Clearly they've mostly buried the hatched.

4. Hell, even Tali doesn't seem all THAT hostile.

5. I do wonder if Shepard hadn't been there on Freedom's Progress what might have happened.

No, Cerberus and Quarians are still worst enemies.

The only reason there seems to be co-operation is Shepard.

1. Veetor Data is given to Cerberus Shepard, because Tali promised it and that Quarians didnt terribly needed it. They much more prefered to get one of their own back and giving some non-Quarian related data in exchange was small price.

2. They allowed Tali to serve on Cerberus ship, because of Shepard was control of it. Yes, Quarians or admirality didn't really have real proof about that who controls who and what, but then again they have most likely heard a lot of good about Shepard from Tali. Also Shepard's and Tali's prior history were most like reason, why they allowed this. Of course we can't know what where the reason for allowing Tali to go, but I'm sure it wouldn't have happened without Shepard.

3. Once again, it's because Shepard. They are his/hers crew and if he/she avouch for them, it's good enough for Quarians. Also two Cerberus agents couldn't do that, especially in ship full of Quarians.

However in this case, I think that most likely reason is that BW hadn't think it that far or they just didn't want to make extra effort to make different situation for just two squadmates, when it's possible that they will never even visit in the fleet. Yes, they made one for Legion, but I think that this was because of whole Geth/Quarian conflict, which would be seemingly solved in ME3.

4. I wouldn't say that Tali isn't hostile. Her opinions about Cerberus hadn't changed. But she isn't outright hostile, because she is working with Shepard and not with Cerberus. (Tali says this in many occations.) I'm sure that she didn't liked any of Normandy Cerberus crew for start, but she did change her opinion after spending more time with them (Ken and Gabby) and seeing that while they may use Cerberus uniforms, they don't really belong/believe things normal Cerberus supporters does (like the crew is not anti-alien at all).

5. Well it could have been interesting and most likely resulting to lot of deaths. Without Shepard, there wouldn't have been anything else than firefight. (I doubt that Tali could have reason with any Cerberus officer, resulting only to firefight.) But this is not relevant. Shepard was there, end of story.

So, it all comes to down to Shepard and without him/her, there wouldn't be any co-operating. That and the BW writers had decided to do it this.

[PhantomSpectre]

HellBovine wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Pretty much. But it's harder with Liara. After all if you're at all friendly with her, then pam, you can't get rid of her, even if you would want. (This happened to me in first playthrough).

After that I have learned very simple way to avoid any "unwanted relationships". I don't talk at all with Ash or Liara on Normandy. It's quaranteed you won't get romance this way if you don't want.

I thought you can choose a just wanna be friends with Liara option to avoid romance, thats what I did.

Yes, there is this "just friends" option with Liara in ME2.

But I was talking about ME1. There are no such possibility (and if there is, I want to know where) and if you were friendly with Liara in first few conversation,  you can't avoid the romance anymore. (I have read that you can turn down romance options, if you use rene options in that "near kiss" scene, but it didn't work. And even if things proceed to sex scene before Ilos, it doesn't matter if you turned it down or go full on, that person is still your romance option.)

[AnimaTempli101]

Improving_a_point wrote...

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

Now here's an idea I want to float, just to gauge reaction. Tali said that, if they retook Rannoch it would mean 60 years of genetic alteration to allow them to live outside their suits. Now how about if, while fighting aboard their base beyond the Omega 4 Relay, someone did a data mine of the Collectors' (reknowned for their conduction of genetic experiments) and gave Mordin Solus (perhaps one of the greatest geneticist in the galaxy) the ensuing data and thus, after a period of time to work things out (two years?) he was able to bring the 60 year estimate to a shorter timespan (say, ten to fifteen?)

Does that sound agreeable, without being too 'magic' , to the rest of you?

The Collector Base is nothing but space dust now

Well now, there you're assuming that in this Shepard blows up the base. Also note that I said "WHILE FIGHTING aboard the Collector Base....) 

[Improving_a_point]

PhantomSpectre wrote...
Yes, there is this "just friends" option with Liara in ME2.

But I was talking about ME1. There are no such possibility (and if there is, I want to know where) and if you were friendly with Liara in first few conversation,  you can't avoid the romance anymore. (I have read that you can turn down romance options, if you use rene options in that "near kiss" scene, but it didn't work. And even if things proceed to sex scene before Ilos, it doesn't matter if you turned it down or go full on, that person is still your romance option.)

You basically have to turn her down hardcore, or insist you're just platonic friends from the start, there's no "Just before the romance abrupt no" like in ME2

[PseudoEthnic]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Yes, there is this "just friends" option with Liara in ME2.

But I was talking about ME1. There are no such possibility -snip-

Yes, there is. When Liara mentions if there's a possible connection between her and Shepard, choose the neutral "friends" option, and there you go.

[StellarMagic]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

I always endeavor to be well written and smart... XP

I don't expect Shep and Tali to have an easy time of it post ME2... lets face it some of the mechanisms Quarians use to adapt to each other simply aren't available to them. Link suit environments? Shepard doesn't have an
environmental suit. Which means the only way for Tali to adapt to him is repeated exposure, which is dangerous as hell.

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

The decontamination unit under the bed or an ... airlock and sterilized cabin does make more sense.  Still it doesn't prevent Tali from an allergic reaction to Shepard, though it does make it safer for her since the risk of bacteria infection would drop significantly.  She'd need to acclimate to him in either case.

Modifié par StellarMagic, 03 août 2011 - 07:48 .

[Improving_a_point]

StellarMagic wrote...
The decontamination unit under the bed or an ... airlock and sterilized cabin does make more sense.  Still it doesn't prevent Tali from an allergic reaction to Shepard, though it does make it safer for her.  She'd need to acclimate to him in either case.

Thanks captain obvious.

[PhantomSpectre]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

Now here's an idea I want to float, just to gauge reaction. Tali said that, if they retook Rannoch it would mean 60 years of genetic alteration to allow them to live outside their suits. Now how about if, while fighting aboard their base beyond the Omega 4 Relay, someone did a data mine of the Collectors' (reknowned for their conduction of genetic experiments) and gave Mordin Solus (perhaps one of the greatest geneticist in the galaxy) the ensuing data and thus, after a period of time to work things out (two years?) he was able to bring the 60 year estimate to a shorter timespan (say, ten to fifteen?)

Does that sound agreeable, without being too 'magic' , to the rest of you?

Well EDI did already data minded Collectors and their genetic experiments during Collector ship mission, so no need to Collectors base in this matter. But I still all of this depends on how much and how diverse results EDI managed to got. Because there is no way you could have got anything from collestors base during the SM and after that it's either destroyed or Cerberus-Reaper paradise, you would most likely need to destroy again in ME3.

Anyway, why bother with that, when you already have one existing and well known genetic experiment at your hands; Genophage. Yes, it sure is different, but basically it's still genetic experiment. And if they could do that to Krogans, what is to say that they couldn't make a something, which would use Genophage as basics and create something new about itif there is anyway to find something, which could help Quarian. And Mordin (if we want to use him) knows genophage really well. If someone would found a way to use Genophage in some other purposess, it would be Mordin.

Though I don't know about how long Mordin would still be there make this cure. He is already horrible over aged for Salarian.

[PhantomSpectre]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Yes, there is this "just friends" option with Liara in ME2.

But I was talking about ME1. There are no such possibility -snip-

Yes, there is. When Liara mentions if there's a possible connection between her and Shepard, choose the neutral "friends" option, and there you go.

Hmm, I see. I must have either missed that one or just forgotten it.

After all it had been over a year since I have romanced Liara or even talked with Liara in ME1.

[PhantomSpectre]

StellarMagic wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

I always endeavor to be well written and smart... XP

I don't expect Shep and Tali to have an easy time of it post ME2... lets face it some of the mechanisms Quarians use to adapt to each other simply aren't available to them. Link suit environments? Shepard doesn't have an
environmental suit. Which means the only way for Tali to adapt to him is repeated exposure, which is dangerous as hell.

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

The decontamination unit under the bed or an ... airlock and sterilized cabin does make more sense.  Still it doesn't prevent Tali from an allergic reaction to Shepard, though it does make it safer for her since the risk of bacteria infection would drop significantly.  She'd need to acclimate to him in either case.

No, it's actually decontamination pillow. Really easy and always nearm when in bed.

But really, yes some fics have specific airlock and decontamination unit there. And some don't have any airlocks, but decontamination unit is between lift door and Shep cabin door.

Regardless of the location of decontamination unit, Tali's immune system can mostly just concentrate to get friendly with Shepards germs.

[Havoc10K]

Best cure is adaptation.

[Destroy Raiden_]

StellarMagic wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

I always endeavor to be well written and smart... XP

I don't expect Shep and Tali to have an easy time of it post ME2... lets face it some of the mechanisms Quarians use to adapt to each other simply aren't available to them. Link suit environments? Shepard doesn't have an
environmental suit. Which means the only way for Tali to adapt to him is repeated exposure, which is dangerous as hell.

A lot of FF writers give Mordin a miracle cure for Tali just so Shepard and her can get it on easier... talk about a cop out.

Actually I think that more often used method in fics is that they would install small scale version of decontamination unit just outside of Shepard's cabin. This way it would only be Shepard's germs in cabin and it's makes Tali adapting to Shepard much easier this way.

The decontamination unit under the bed or an ... airlock and sterilized cabin does make more sense.  Still it doesn't prevent Tali from an allergic reaction to Shepard, though it does make it safer for her since the risk of bacteria infection would drop significantly.  She'd need to acclimate to him in either case.

I've seen more miracle cures for her immune or ways of changing DNA viability so they can have a hybrid then I've seen of room decontamination. I would imagine though she'd have to tell EDI she'd be there on such a day and then EDI would run a decontamination cycle and shep would be notified so he could make she he's super clean that day. Sheps going to have to commit to being a germaphobe full time to live with Tali.

But in 3 I could see a Alister moment where Tali relises that long term it's impossible one or both of them will have to be suit bound most of their relationship also we don't know the full extent of Quarian view on relationships with non detxro aliens. Fleet and flotilla suggest it's ok for Turian and Quarians but there is little evidence to suggest that the fleet would support a dextro/amino couple I think do to the isolation of their community it is natural outsiders and non dextro LIs are not welcomed and are frowned upon.

That being said I hope BW doesn't do a miracle cure for Quarians and that shep at least can try to persuade Tali to stay with him I'd like the option sense we really didn't have that with Alister. I would also like the option to tell her I (as shep) would commit to doing 1/2 year living on Rannoch suit bound and then we could live on another world for 1/2 year so I could be out of suit so it works for both and we're both taking risks equally it's not all on her.

 EDIT: I also would like BW to have a social blow up if it's revealed Tali and shep are a couple given the wide spread issue with the Quarian people it'd be odd if this info came out and everyone was all like, " It's so great!"

Oh yeah and while I'm on Rannoch and suits all aliens should be suit bound but visit 1 (when we get the planet back) Tali too is suit bound if the player visits Rannoch 2 times or more Tali will be suitless but if Rannoch is made a dangerous port she'll be in new Quarian battle armor (not suits like they have now)  or if it's a safe port she'll be in Quarian casual clothing.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 03 août 2011 - 09:04 .