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[exelsis]

Porcupinetheater wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Porcupinetheater wrote...

For me personally, Tali's
relationship felt much more two-sided than the others, in that Shep
(all of mine, at least) very clearly loved Tali, and it was obvious
that the feeling was 100% mutual.

I must
unfortunately disagree.  It looked to me like Tali loved Shep, but Shep
was kind of indifferent.  I found it frustrating.  Seemed like the most
one-sided out of the romances that I've seen in ME3 (Tali, Ashley,
Garrus, and Liara).  However, I agree about her character development.

In retrospect, some of that might have been with rose-colored glasses, me interpreting the presentation as I wanted it to be, projecting myself onto Shepard, the like. I just feel that as an rpg (perhaps not anymore in the typical sense, but for the most part still in the character sense), that this is a more acceptable response, as it's intended for the player to take on the persona of the character. And thus, Shepard became my proxy, and his recorded responses took on the role I wanted them to take.

Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

[4stringwizard]

 Speaking of music, again, (yes I'm aware we stopped talking about music a few pages ago!)...

It seems Tali has her own youtube channel!!!.  And she's uploading vids of music she's created!!!  

www.youtube.com/user/TaliNormandy







*Yes, I'm aware it's just one of several doppelgangers that have suddenly infiltrated youtube.  

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 19 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[N7Kopper]

exelsis wrote...

Porcupinetheater wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Porcupinetheater wrote...

For me personally, Tali's
relationship felt much more two-sided than the others, in that Shep
(all of mine, at least) very clearly loved Tali, and it was obvious
that the feeling was 100% mutual.

I must
unfortunately disagree.  It looked to me like Tali loved Shep, but Shep
was kind of indifferent.  I found it frustrating.  Seemed like the most
one-sided out of the romances that I've seen in ME3 (Tali, Ashley,
Garrus, and Liara).  However, I agree about her character development.

In retrospect, some of that might have been with rose-colored glasses, me interpreting the presentation as I wanted it to be, projecting myself onto Shepard, the like. I just feel that as an rpg (perhaps not anymore in the typical sense, but for the most part still in the character sense), that this is a more acceptable response, as it's intended for the player to take on the persona of the character. And thus, Shepard became my proxy, and his recorded responses took on the role I wanted them to take.

Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

It's an incredibly fine balancing act - teetering between making sure the lead role isn't so generic they're bland, but if they're not generic enough, people who roleplay a certain way will complain.
I personally really didn't appreciate Shepard snapping at Joker for... well... joking, after Thessia. A bit of blandness as an option wouldn't have gone amiss.
Sometimes kind of annoying to people like me who play as Shepard, but insert themselves elsewhere, but...

Modifié par N7Kopper, 19 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[Himmelstor]

exelsis wrote...

*snip*
Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

For most, Shepard's actual reaction almost irrelevant.
"They are Shepard. They love Tali unconditionally. Therefore Shepard loves Tali unconditionally."
Tali'Zorah one of best written, three-dimensional characters in gaming. Others often very one-note. Tali...for want of better term in English...seems very human.

[N7Kopper]

Himmelstor wrote...

exelsis wrote...

*snip*
Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

For most, Shepard's actual reaction almost irrelevant.
"They are Shepard. They love Tali unconditionally. Therefore Shepard loves Tali unconditionally."
Tali'Zorah one of best written, three-dimensional characters in gaming. Others often very one-note. Tali...for want of better term in English...seems very human.

Personable? Relatable? Real?
Personally, I like personable best to describe this situation. Pun not really intended.

[lmxar]

N7Kopper wrote...


Can you do bird flips with three digits?

Doesn't she flip off Koris in ME2 when he says that Rael is dead?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

exelsis wrote...

Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

To be fair, all of the ME2 romances were very shallow and centered around sex.  But you're right, as well.  At least I know Jeff Shepard loves Tali, even if the writers don't show it as much as I'd like.

[exelsis]

N7Kopper wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

exelsis wrote...

*snip*
Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

For most, Shepard's actual reaction almost irrelevant.
"They are Shepard. They love Tali unconditionally. Therefore Shepard loves Tali unconditionally."
Tali'Zorah one of best written, three-dimensional characters in gaming. Others often very one-note. Tali...for want of better term in English...seems very human.

Personable? Relatable? Real?
Personally, I like personable best to describe this situation. Pun not really intended.

Tali is one of the most human characters in the game, but the problem is that shepard is more boring than the citadel returns guy. In-game, it is almost a one way relationship.

Edit: I love citadel returns guy. And conrad. And kirrahe. They remind me of the good ol' days, when biotics went through shields, and enemies were really crazy strong.

Modifié par exelsis, 19 avril 2012 - 02:47 .

[Himmelstor]

N7Kopper wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

exelsis wrote...

*snip*
Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

For most, Shepard's actual reaction almost irrelevant.
"They are Shepard. They love Tali unconditionally. Therefore Shepard loves Tali unconditionally."
Tali'Zorah one of best written, three-dimensional characters in gaming. Others often very one-note. Tali...for want of better term in English...seems very human.

Personable? Relatable? Real?
Personally, I like personable best to describe this situation. Pun not really intended.

Personable implies friendly. True, but not the point wanted to make.
Real most accurate to point, but not detailed enough. Can believe her as being a person.

[Himmelstor]

lmxar wrote...

N7Kopper wrote...


Can you do bird flips with three digits?

Doesn't she flip off Koris in ME2 when he says that Rael is dead?

No. Points at him. "I'm looking for my father, you bosh'tet!"

[4stringwizard]

N7Kopper wrote...

It's an incredibly fine balancing act - teetering between making sure the lead role isn't so generic they're bland, but if they're not generic enough, people who roleplay a certain way will complain.
I personally really didn't appreciate Shepard snapping at Joker for... well... joking, after Thessia. A bit of blandness as an option wouldn't have gone amiss.
Sometimes kind of annoying to people like me who play as Shepard, but insert themselves elsewhere, but...

Personally I got annoyed with emo Shepard by the end of the game.  Yes, I know fate of the Galaxy and Thessia was on his mind blah blah blah.  But good God, in the romance scene Tali basically pours her soul out to him and says pretty much that whenever things are at their worst, she "reaches for you."  

And all Shepard says is "thanks" and walks away.   So depressing.  Thanks for the wonderful romance dialogue, Bioware.  <_<

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 19 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[N7Kopper]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

To be fair, all of the ME2 romances were very shallow and centered around sex.  But you're right, as well.  At least I know Jeff Shepard loves Tali, even if the writers don't show it as much as I'd like.

Come to think of it, this is probably why the majority of games like this (Fallout, Kingdoms of Amalur) don't voice the main character in dialog. I imagine a lot of choice was cut in ME3 (although removing the pretense of choice when you didn't really have any was nice, I can think of dialog wheels in 1 and 2 where the choices meant the same) due to having to fit two separate dialog sessions on the disc. The game already fits two discs on xbox as is, and recording (the vast majority of) lines for both Meer and Hale would take so much room.

But, yes. The ME2 romances were too sex-based. But that's likely due to backlash from the VS romances in ME1 being so natural most people ended up ninjamanced. Too far the other direction, like with the RPG elements.

Modifié par N7Kopper, 19 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[Walgreen2345]

Had a dream about Tali last night. For unexplained reasons, we were in a mall, and we went to almost every fast food kiosk, trying to find something dextro-based.

Then I woke up. Was still awesome.

[4stringwizard]

N7Kopper wrote...

Come to think of it, this is probably why the majority of games like this (Fallout, Kingdoms of Amalur) don't voice the main character in dialog. I imagine a lot of choice was cut in ME3 (although removing the pretense of choice when you didn't really have any was nice, I can think of dialog wheels in 1 and 2 where the choices meant the same) due to having to fit two separate dialog sessions on the disc. The game already fits two discs on xbox as is, and recording (the vast majority of) lines for both Meer and Hale would take so much room.

But, yes. The ME2 romances were too sex-based. But that's likely due to backlash from the VS romances in ME1 being so natural most people ended up ninjamanced. Too far the other direction, like with the RPG elements.

Even still, I enjoyed the deeper ME1 style with the "ninjamancing" vs ME2, where it was basically "talk twice then get it on."  That's basically what it boiled down to.  

And then in ME3...don't even get me started.  So much wasted potential.  <_<

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 19 avril 2012 - 02:53 .

[18 Brains]

I love this thread; in a network of threads where there is so much controversy and hate, a refuge of friends throughout the world agree upon so many things.
 Plus, we all love Tali

http://t0.gstatic.co...eAisHu2P5esBO0w

*Edit: Can't seem to enlarge image.  Hmm...

Modifié par 18 Brains, 19 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[Himmelstor]

18 Brains wrote...

I love this thread; in a network of threads where there is so much controversy and hate, a refuge of friends throughout the world agree upon so many things.
 Plus, we all love Tali

*Talisnip*

*Edit: Can't seem to enlarge image.  Hmm...

Indeed. Good place.

[Exiledone1]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Yeah. ME2 shepard was about as loving and tender as a loaf of scrapple. ME3 fixes that a bit, but it is so agonizingly short. On both games, she pours her heart out to you, and the most she gets back is "i'm interested" and "we're still together...." Kinda makes me sad. But then I ignore it all and headcanon my own diologue ove rit. Imagination is freaking fantastic.

To be fair, all of the ME2 romances were very shallow and centered around sex.  But you're right, as well.  At least I know Jeff Shepard loves Tali, even if the writers don't show it as much as I'd like.

Lol, I couldn't sleep. I agree. Tali really expressed herself on an emotional leel in me3. In many ways she was shepherd guiding angel, keeping him on track. When shepherd doubted himself Tali was there. I really wanted the in game shepherd to show more emotions with Tali, but his blandness allowed my imagination to run wills. Which in many ways made the game more personal to me.

I really didn't like all the sex stuff in 2. I prefer the leading up and building trust, but still. tali is one if not the best and most well developed characters in video game history, to me.

[Porcupinetheater]

18 Brains wrote...

I love this thread; in a network of threads where there is so much controversy and hate, a refuge of friends throughout the world agree upon so many things.
 Plus, we all love Tali

*Taliwaterfallsnip*

How could we not? Our Quarian is perfection incarnate:wub:

[Exiledone1]

Himmelstor wrote...

18 Brains wrote...

I love this thread; in a network of threads where there is so much controversy and hate, a refuge of friends throughout the world agree upon so many things.
 Plus, we all love Tali

*Talisnip*

*Edit: Can't seem to enlarge image.  Hmm...

Indeed. Good place.

I couldn't have said it better. I have only been here a couple of weeks and I already consider many of you if not all you friends. Everyone has been so kind, friendly and awesome to talk to. Where I live I'm sort of alone when it comes to mass effect. My wife isn't into video games so to meet a group of people whomlovemthe game and the character of tali and are just plan cool is super cool to me. All of you are wonderful. I wish we could have our own convention one day so we could all hang out in person.

[Photonkun]

The funny strips of the miss-adventures of Tali is complete.

Go to http://sketch-bgi.deviantart.com/

Part 1 -4 are up and let me say, on part 4, I did not see that one comming. LOL

[N7Kopper]

Exiledone1 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

18 Brains wrote...

I love this thread; in a network of threads where there is so much controversy and hate, a refuge of friends throughout the world agree upon so many things.
 Plus, we all love Tali

*Talisnip*

*Edit: Can't seem to enlarge image.  Hmm...

Indeed. Good place.

I couldn't have said it better. I have only been here a couple of weeks and I already consider many of you if not all you friends. Everyone has been so kind, friendly and awesome to talk to. Where I live I'm sort of alone when it comes to mass effect. My wife isn't into video games so to meet a group of people whomlovemthe game and the character of tali and are just plan cool is super cool to me. All of you are wonderful. I wish we could have our own convention one day so we could all hang out in person.

We'd have to eventually resist the temptation to hug the Panda Tali Extraordinare, however.
Well, unless you enjoy being instakilled by the PandAtlas.

[Porcupinetheater]

Exiledone1 wrote...


I couldn't have said it better. I have only been here a couple of weeks and I already consider many of you if not all you friends. Everyone has been so kind, friendly and awesome to talk to. Where I live I'm sort of alone when it comes to mass effect. My wife isn't into video games so to meet a group of people whomlovemthe game and the character of tali and are just plan cool is super cool to me. All of you are wonderful. I wish we could have our own convention one day so we could all hang out in person.

I know exactly what you mean. This is the definitive awesomest place on the Internet.

[Dilandau3000]

4stringwizard wrote...

And all Shepard says is "thanks" and walks away.   So depressing.  Thanks for the wonderful romance dialogue, Bioware.  <_<

True. Shepard has always been one of the least interesting characters in ME for me. On the other hand, the Tali romance seems to have a lot of unspoken depth; there's a connection between them that doesn't seem to need words.

And at least we (mostly) avoided going into cheesy romance paperback dialog, unlike certain others (*cough*Jacob*cough*).

[Olueq]

lol Shepard has never had a personality.

[Cheese of Borg]

4stringwizard wrote...

N7Kopper wrote...

It's an incredibly fine balancing act - teetering between making sure the lead role isn't so generic they're bland, but if they're not generic enough, people who roleplay a certain way will complain.
I personally really didn't appreciate Shepard snapping at Joker for... well... joking, after Thessia. A bit of blandness as an option wouldn't have gone amiss.
Sometimes kind of annoying to people like me who play as Shepard, but insert themselves elsewhere, but...

Personally I got annoyed with emo Shepard by the end of the game.  Yes, I know fate of the Galaxy and Thessia was on his mind blah blah blah.  But good God, in the romance scene Tali basically pours her soul out to him and says pretty much that whenever things are at their worst, she "reaches for you."  

And all Shepard says is "thanks" and walks away.   So depressing.  Thanks for the wonderful romance dialogue, Bioware.  <_<

I thought it was great.  Stroking the side of her helmet as he said it.:innocent: