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[Quole]

Unless you were an engineer, Tali was the best squad mate in ME1.

[Gust4v]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Tali didn't leave much of an impression on me in my first playthrough of ME1. It was only about the second or third time that I really paid attention to her and started using her. I think getting the "Quarian Ally" achievement was what finally won me over. I loved all her snark.

Luckily I paid attention to her in my first playthrough.
If ME3 has party interactions, the snark should be back or I'd be a little disappointed.

GottyGear wrote...

Thank you! I'm guessing that someone
has already said this over the course of this enormous thread, so I'm
sorry if I'm being redundant but...

Am I the only one that wants a
romance with Tali (or anyone else for that matter) to actually be
DIFFICULT? For me to perform certain actions and maybe lose standing
with other characters or factions. Make actual sacrifices maybe? As good
as ME2 was, that was my main problem with it. Romances were so easy.
Just always choosing paragon options pretty much got you there with them
(with the one exception of not being able to tell Tali "No. It's too
dangerous.").

Well, romances are small part of the game, so it didn't bother me much. I'm just happy knowing Tali's romance is the romance with more prerequisites.

Modifié par Gust4v, 11 août 2011 - 01:05 .

[PMC65]

Quole wrote...

Unless you were an engineer, Tali was the best squad mate in ME1.

In ME1 whenever possible, Tali would stay on the Normandy until the planet was secured ... then I would return to bring her back down to help Shep retrieve the locked items. I've never liked having her in combat because of her "boy in the plastic bubble" issue. I know that she is 100% capable but both of my Shepards care about her like a kid sister and the thought that they would intentionally take her into a firefight just didn't fit.

I also like knowing that she is in the engine room ... like Kaylee in "Firefly".

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Oddly enough I didn't buy her reasons for why her people reacted to the Geth in such a way. When simply asked why they attacked first instead of trying to talk to them she reacts by saying 'We couldn't risk it! They could have attacked us!" Course one might ask logically if you were affriad of the Geth attacking them why did they pick the one option garenteed to make them attack you?

On Tali in ME1 she wasn't that interesting to me she was basically a walking Codex for the Quarian people the same way Legion was a Codex for the Geth so we never really had a chance to flush out who she was as a character which I think ME2 did amazing for both her and Garrus.

[Sepewrath]

Well she is not in a bubble, that's more disrespectful than helpful to leave her behind like she is an incapable hindrance. She would be one pissed off kid sister, being treated like that.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Oddly enough I didn't buy her reasons for why her people reacted to the Geth in such a way.

Then you haven't thought about it deeply enough.

In summary, the quarians could not afford to hope for peace and then be proven wrong.

Maybe they could try to think more than a minute ahead of them.

If they were affraid of an attack from a specie that never showed any agression in its questions, and showed no agression when the Quarians were trying to reprogam them than I'd be more inclined to try diplomacy before doing the one course of action that is going to insure that peace won't happen.

"Kill it! Kill it with Fire!" is not a good reaction. Again I found Tali's dialogue hillarious when you challenge her on the Geth. Shepard: How did your people know they were going to attack? Tali: Because. Shepard: But they never showed any sign of agression. Tali: They were going to attack us! Shepard:.... what?

EDIT: I always thought of her as a kid sister myself.

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 11 août 2011 - 01:06 .

[PMC65]

Sepewrath wrote...

Well she is not in a bubble, that's more disrespectful than helpful to leave her behind like she is an incapable hindrance. She would be one pissed off kid sister, being treated like that.

Actually Tali and my Sheps get along really well. Pulling her away from the engine room is never easy, unless I tempt her with a lock to break/crack. As I said, she is 100% capable of taking care of herself but my Shepard's would be worried about her. 

Does Tali know? Yup! Does she sometimes give her pal a punch for it? Yup! But she also knows that Shepard does not question her ability or her value to the team. And on occasion she does get to fight, but in my head poor Shep is always a little worried and keeps an eye on her. That is Shep's issue and Tali thinks its funny, because she knows that if she really wants to go on a mission, her friend will give in. At least in my RP.


 

[Spartanburger]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Oddly enough I didn't buy her reasons for why her people reacted to the Geth in such a way. When simply asked why they attacked first instead of trying to talk to them she reacts by saying 'We couldn't risk it! They could have attacked us!" Course one might ask logically if you were affriad of the Geth attacking them why did they pick the one option garenteed to make them attack you?

The idea was that they would attack and remove the Geth before they achieved enough sentience to know to fight back. If they did not "evolve" enough, then they wouldn't know to retaliate.
But because they were, unknown to the Quarian majority, actually sentient and capable of retaliation, then the decision was a disastrous one.

[HellBovine]

I can't see humanity reacting any different if we had our technology become self-aware on us. I always chose the dialogue options that did not try to criticize the Quarians, I can't see any other race reacting differently. The situation was like this:

1. They had little time to wait to make a decision as the longer they waited the more the geth neural net improved, at the time all AI were thought to be hostile so they chose to act quickly believing that it was the only chance they had to solve the problem without extensive casualties.

2. The quarians did not know of the extent of the geth intelligence, they simply knew that they were beginning to think for themselves, not that they were fully sentient.

3. If the Quarians had decided to wait in order to ascertain whether or not the Geth were hostile, they had no guarantee that the Geth would not turn out to be such, and would in the process have allowed them to become even more intelligent by waiting.

4. The Geth were most likely in some ways involved in the Quarian military structure, seeing as they were capable of fighting back so quickly (there must have been various combat-type programs in existance) and thus even more dangerous if they proved to be dangerous.

5. The Geth are an unknown, thus it was impossible to accurately judge what they would do once they were sentient. Honestly, they are still unknowable and I am still not sure whether they are 100% truthful.

6. The Geth had no issues with wiping out billions of Quarians even after they stopped being a threat. At least organics accept surrender.

Modifié par HellBovine, 11 août 2011 - 02:13 .

[PMC65]

And as a side note, she probably didn't mind because she was constantly being radio'ed by Shepard on tricks to beat the geth. The fact that she was able to successfully track and disable a geth all on her own ... who does that? The girl is fearless. So I could see my Shepard, back against the crate on Therum telling Tali the odds and her giving pointers ... along with a "I bet you wish I were there!" with my Shep responding "Say goodnight Gracie!"

So when in ME2 it showed her using Shepard "tricks" that was absolute heaven for my RP. They were definitely learning from one another.

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Unless you were an engineer, Tali was the best squad mate in ME1.

Well she was damn good, but I don't know if she was the best. A biotic was useful to neutralize the tough enemies or keep them at bay.

Considering how bad the AI in ME1 was, having a squad mate that helps outside of combat was very useful. Also, she was likely the best against synthetics, and you fight way too many of them in ME1 .

Modifié par Quole, 11 août 2011 - 01:44 .

[Spartanburger]

PMC65 wrote...

 Pulling her away from the engine room is never easy, unless I tempt her with a lock to break/crack.
 

I imagine a scene where Tali hears a noise behind her, turns around and sees a small pile of electronic junk behind her.
Gleefully, she steps towards it, already thinking of the things she could do with it, but it almost immediately moves a small distance away from her.
*goes into FF mode*
Tali stopped immediately. Slowly, she drew her knife and took a carful step towards the pile of junk. The junk once again moved a few paces away, this time much quicker. Startled, Tali jumped back in a crouched combat pose. As she assessed the danger, the junk inched it's way closer to her before stopping a few paces away.
Tali glanced back at her console, wondering if she should chase the junk or stay at her favorite spot at the engine.
Making up her mind, she took two confident steps towards the junk pile. Sure enough, the pile moved away, into the junction between Engineering and the Deck 4 main hallway.
"Gabby, Ken, could you hold down Engineering for a second? I have to... get something" she said without letting her eyes off her prize.
"Sure thin, Tali." Ken replied, deciding it better not to ask what exactly it was that she was getting.
Readying herself for a moment, Tali sprung off her powerful legs towards the junk. The pile of junk seemed to fly out of the junction and into the hallway, leaving Tali to fall flat on the ground with a loud clatter.
"Hey! Keep it down up there, Quarian!" yelled Jack from below.
"Nyema du Bosh'tet!" replied Tali as she scrambled up and after the prize.
She ran through the door and into the hall and looked around furiously for the junk, noticing that it was laying innocently in the elevator. Tali pounced into the elevator and grabbed the junk without resistance. She giggle to herself as she pulled herself up to examine her prize.
It was a crumpled piece of one of EDI's holographic interfaces, one that she remembered as coming from Grunt's room and being unsalvageable.
"That's it, we got her." Came a familiar voice from right beside her.
Before she could react, the elevator doors closed and started moving up while Shepard de-cloaked beside her.
"Works every time." He said with a grin.
Realizing that she was trapped, Tali sheathed her knife saying "Keelah, your such a child, Sheapard."
Shepard's only response was to put his thumb in his mouth and mimic a baby. This resulted in a hard punch to the chest.
"Hey, ow!"
"You deserved that."
"Yeah... I guess I did."
"So, any reason as to why you tricked me into being in this stupidly long elevator ride with you?"
Shepard Chuckled. "Yeah, we're arriving at Illium in 5. Were picking up some more people. A Justicar and an Assassin. You and Miranda are with me for this one as she also has some stuff that needs to be taken care of."
"Lucky me." Tali said, rolling her eyes.
"Hey, it'll be fine. If we do it fast I may take the squad to see Flynn'Daema play live."
Tali sighed. "Fine, this 'Daema' better be worth it though."

[PMC65]

Spartanburger wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

 Pulling her away from the engine room is never easy, unless I tempt her with a lock to break/crack.
 

I imagine a scene where Tali hears a noise behind her, turns around and sees a small pile of electronic junk behind her.
Gleefully, she steps towards it, already thinking of the things she could do with it, but it almost immediately moves a small distance away from her.
*goes into FF mode*
Tali stopped immediately. Slowly, she drew her knife and took a carful step towards the pile of junk. The junk once again moved a few paces away, this time much quicker. Startled, Tali jumped back in a crouched combat pose. As she assessed the danger, the junk inched it's way closer to her before stopping a few paces away.
Tali glanced back at her console, wondering if she should chase the junk or stay at her favorite spot at the engine.
Making up her mind, she took two confident steps towards the junk pile. Sure enough, the pile moved away, into the junction between Engineering and the Deck 4 main hallway.
"Gabby, Ken, could you hold down Engineering for a second? I have to... get something" she said without letting her eyes off her prize.
"Sure thin, Tali." Ken replied, deciding it better not to ask what exactly it was that she was getting.
Readying herself for a moment, Tali sprung off her powerful legs towards the junk. The pile of junk seemed to fly out of the junction and into the hallway, leaving Tali to fall flat on the ground with a loud clatter.
"Hey! Keep it down up there, Quarian!" yelled Jack from below.
"Nyema du Bosh'tet!" replied Tali as she scrambled up and after the prize.
She ran through the door and into the hall and looked around furiously for the junk, noticing that it was laying innocently in the elevator. Tali pounced into the elevator and grabbed the junk without resistance. She giggle to herself as she pulled herself up to examine her prize.
It was a crumpled piece of one of EDI's holographic interfaces, one that she remembered as coming from Grunt's room and being unsalvageable.
"That's it, we got her." Came a familiar voice from right beside her.
Before she could react, the elevator doors closed and started moving up while Shepard de-cloaked beside her.
"Works every time." He said with a grin.
Realizing that she was trapped, Tali sheathed her knife saying "Keelah, your such a child, Sheapard."
Shepard's only response was to put his thumb in his mouth and mimic a baby. This resulted in a hard punch to the chest.
"Hey, ow!"
"You deserved that."
"Yeah... I guess I did."
"So, any reason as to why you tricked me into being in this stupidly long elevator ride with you?"
Shepard Chuckled. "Yeah, we're arriving at Illium in 5. Were picking up some more people. A Justicar and an Assassin. You and Miranda are with me for this one as she also has some stuff that needs to be taken care of."
"Lucky me." Tali said, rolling her eyes.
"Hey, it'll be fine. If we do it fast I may take the squad to see Flynn'Daema play live."
Tali sighed. "Fine, this 'Daema' better be worth it though."

LOL!!!!

[ISpeakTheTruth]

HellBovine wrote...

I can't see humanity reacting any different if we had our technology go Skynet on us.

The Geth did not go Skynet on the Quarians. All the Geth did was ask if they had a sould and then they were attacked. Unless I'm mistaken on Terminator Lore Skynet attacked humanity first and without any provication. The Geth didn't attack first and showed no signs of hostility.

[HellBovine]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

HellBovine wrote...

I can't see humanity reacting any different if we had our technology go Skynet on us.

The Geth did not go Skynet on the Quarians. All the Geth did was ask if they had a sould and then they were attacked. Unless I'm mistaken on Terminator Lore Skynet attacked humanity first and without any provication. The Geth didn't attack first and showed no signs of hostility.

We really don't know enough about what they did when they started to become sentient, Legion himself mentions it is not the first time they asked about souls. They may have had more strange behaviors that could have worried the Quarians. Although a dangerous piece of equipment suddenly starting to question its' existance is still a frightful event.

Modifié par HellBovine, 11 août 2011 - 01:58 .

[Demyx89]

HellBovine said:
I can't see humanity reacting any different if we had our technology go Skynet on us. I always chose the dialogue options that did not try to criticize the Quarians, I can't see any other race reacting differently. The situation was like this:

1. They had little time to wait to make a decision as the longer they waited the more the geth neural net improved, at the time all AI were thought to be hostile so they chose to act quickly believing that it was the only chance they had to solve the problem without extensive casualties.

2. The quarians did not know of the extent of the geth intelligence, they simply knew that they were beginning to think for themselves, not that they were fully sentient.

3. If the Quarians had decided to wait in order to ascertain whether or not the Geth were hostile, they had no guarantee that the Geth would not turn out to be such, and would in the process have allowed them to become even more intelligent by waiting.

4. The Geth were most likely in some ways involved in the Quarian military structure, seeing as they were capable of fighting back so quickly (there must have been various combat-type programs in existance) and thus even more dangerous if they proved to be dangerous.

5. The Geth are an unknown, thus it was impossible to accurately judge what they would do once they were sentient. Honestly, they are still unknowable and I am still not sure whether they are 100% truthful.

6. The Geth had no issues with wiping out billions of Quarians even after they stopped being a threat. At least organics accept surrender.

Although there is much truth to what was said, in contrary to it. About 300 + years ago when the Quarians built the Geth; if you don't recall Legion had asked whither or not they had a soul. In reaction, the Quarain creater replyed with "Only Quarains have souls". Once the Quarains felt as though their creation was becoming smarter did they attack. Humanity in the like, destroys what they can not understand, this concept was the same in the game. The Quarains built them, but only to serve their purpose, once they saw something different the sought to destroy. "When the Quarains believed victory, they attacked 100% of the time" All Geth are not the same. Either way I thought it would be fun to talk about. : )

[P38 ace]

my biggest question is wheather we will see her full face, i've only been able to find those stupid, gag pics.(death to those people that make them)
if anyone has an accual pic, i would love to see it

if none exsit, i hope to God it is in ME3

[Demyx89]

Some what of a spoiler if the have not brought Legion on the floutila. What I found to be intriguing was when you bring Legion on the floutila sorry for the spelling. There is were you can learn a great deal about the Quarians and their creation. Although; some things arent explained in full detail, there is information worth listening to.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

HellBovine wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

HellBovine wrote...

I can't see humanity reacting any different if we had our technology go Skynet on us.

The Geth did not go Skynet on the Quarians. All the Geth did was ask if they had a sould and then they were attacked. Unless I'm mistaken on Terminator Lore Skynet attacked humanity first and without any provication. The Geth didn't attack first and showed no signs of hostility.

We really don't know enough about what they did when they started to become sentient, Legion himself mentions it is not the first time they asked about souls. They may have had more strange behaviors that could have worried the Quarians. Although a dangerous piece of equipment suddenly starting to question its' existance is still a frightful event.

Actually we do know exactly what lead up to the war because the Quarians and the Geth have the exact same story. The Geth asked if they had a sould the Quarians got scared and attacked. That's it. may be a scary event but you claiming that the Geth went 'Skynet' is completely wrong on every level.

[Demyx89]

Well from my understand all of those pics are fan art. I too have bin looking deep into finding one as well and yet nothing. It seems as though Bioware wont be showing anything until the game comes out. What will really suck is if the do show Tali's face in ME3 I hope the do with out the need to romance her. I have played the game over 7 times and I have yet to do so only with the info that u get rewarded for staying with either Liara or Ashley. So..... o.O

[HellBovine]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Actually we do know exactly what lead up to the war because the Quarians and the Geth have the exact same story. The Geth asked if they had a sould the Quarians got scared and attacked. That's it. may be a scary event but you claiming that the Geth went 'Skynet' is completely wrong on every level.

Let me elaborate, I did not mean that the Geth went Skynet, was just using the only other example I knew of programming becoming self-aware to show what the Quarians feared would happen if they did not intervene quickly. The immediate actions of the Geth and Skynet were worlds apart but there was still the fear among the quarians that a similar result would entail. There is also no way to prove that it would not have eventually happened if the Quarians did not try to deactivate them.

Basically the Quarians had to chose between trying to deactivate a fledgling possible threat, or allowing that threat to continue hoping that it would not become hostile as it grew more powerful.

Modifié par HellBovine, 11 août 2011 - 02:15 .

[Demyx89]

Well to back up with the concept of 'Skynet' the Geth did in some way do so, I will not say that they did during the "Morning war" but after, when Sarine and Sovrigen got involved did they attack organics for the perpose of downloading their programes into one being. The Heretics split from their main function with Legions Geth, to the Heretics eradicating the galaxy for Sovrigens needs.