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[Gust4v]

P38 ace wrote...

my biggest question is wheather we will see her full face, i've only been able to find those stupid, gag pics.(death to those people that make them)
if anyone has an accual pic, i would love to see it

if none exsit, i hope to God it is in ME3

Only Bioware knows the answer. And no, there is no an official Tali's face pic.

[Demyx89]

One of the main problems that the Quarains had with the Geth was that they did take the time to understand them as living beings. We learn that as we play through with Legion, to find out that the Quarains attacked as soon as they could and the Geth fought for existence. What could have happend , was building and understanding of the AI and to further their knowledge of them. For the Geth are the Quarain's children. Although I am not saying the they would not have turned on them....

[sites32]

The Quarians made a decision, a very tragic one, cost them their world and most of their people, It's sad they are treated as second class citizens to the rest of the galaxy. They have suffered enough for that decision. I just can't sympathise with the geth, yes they may have not fired the first shot, but what keeps me from being sympathetic is what the quarians home world looked like after the smoke cleared... billions dead.

[Demyx89]

That is very interesting; although the Geth understood the consequences of their actions. What proves my point is that Legion re-sights grave yards and monuments on "future earth." They may have fought for the existence and killed many Quarains, but after the war did they replenish Ranaqu the home world. And made such monuments.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

sitesunseen wrote...

The Quarians made a decision, a very tragic one, cost them their world and most of their people, It's sad they are treated as second class citizens to the rest of the galaxy. They have suffered enough for that decision. I just can't sympathise with the geth, yes they may have not fired the first shot, but what keeps me from being sympathetic is what the quarians home world looked like after the smoke cleared... billions dead.

So you aren't sympathetic towards the Geth because they won the war? 

If the Quarians won the war the Geth would have been genocided. At least with the Geth winning the Quarians still exsist.

[Demyx89]

Saphra Deden
They didn't have the time or luxury to study them. Swift action needed to be taken.

I'm intrigued with what you said. But think of this, when the mad doctor created Frankenstein did he destroy him with swift action or grow to love him as his child. The Quarains did nothing of the sort to understand anything. They built the Geth to serve, and nothing more. They destroyed once the felt their creations and bettered themselves. I see it as fear of the unknown, kill what can not be understood.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Demyx89 wrote...

One of the main problems that the Quarains had with the Geth was that they did take the time to understand them as living beings.

They didn't have the time or luxury to study them. Swift action needed to be taken.

They had the time to ignore the Geth and then time to try and reprogram them... but yeah trying to understand something is a luxury you should always attack something without having any understanding lol

[Spartanburger]

P38 ace wrote...

my biggest question is wheather we will see her full face, i've only been able to find those stupid, gag pics.(death to those people that make them)
if anyone has an accual pic, i would love to see it

if none exsit, i hope to God it is in ME3

At this point, it is unknown to the fanbase weather or not we will se her face in ME3. Huston said at Comicon that "they know exactly what to do with Tali's face." So they have already made a decision.

It should be noted that the status of the face went from a "deciding on what to do with it" to "We know exactly what we're doing with it" AFTER the official Facebook poll that had an overwhelming number (over 25,000 last I checked) vote yes with less than 5,000 voting no.

I hope that, if they do, she looks something like one of these:





Madre Santisima that last one took ages to find.

[sites32]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If the Quarians won the war the Geth would have been genocided. At least with the Geth winning the Quarians still exsist.

That's not comparable at all. The geth are just machines.

THANK YOU!

[Demyx89]

Saphra Deden, I feel as though I could compare your opinion to that of the Admiral Female on the Flotila. She too calls the Geth simple machines. And wished to return them to their rightful rulers. But the geth think and although I can not say they feel, a thinking mind is still living.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If the Quarians won the war the Geth would have been genocided. At least with the Geth winning the Quarians still exsist.

That's not comparable at all. The geth are just machines.

They are sentient which means they are more than machines.
Quarians are sentient which means they are more than mindless animals.

Aren't you the one that wants humanity to join the Reapers and destroy all sentient life just to try and save our DNA? I don't think I'm going to take what you believe is best for a specie very seriously.

[Spartanburger]

The thing is: Does Genocide only apply to organics or does it apply to creatures with Sentience.
If it applies to sentience, you then have to gauge the Geth's sentience, which in my opinion os both beyond those of organics and hardly reaching it. It's something else altogether.

So in a way, there is no current word that properly defines wiping out the Geth. So... Gethocide?

[HellBovine]

The Geth during the morning war were simple, logic-based machines. Cold, heartless, and uncompromising. I would have had no problems with them being eliminated at the time if it had spared the billions of Quarians killed during the war. I have a lot less trouble emphasizing with a race of mostly non-combatants than a collection of programs.

Now I would take issue with the Geth being eliminated currently as they have started to evolve past simple logic-based existance and platforms like Legion allow them to possibly become more "organic" in behavior.

Modifié par HellBovine, 11 août 2011 - 02:44 .

[Spartanburger]

HellBovine wrote...

The Geth during the morning war were simple, logic-based machines. Cold, heartless, and uncompromising. I would have had no problems them being eliminated at the time if it had spare the billions of Quarians killed during the war. I have a lot less trouble emphasizing with a race of mostly non-combatants than collection of programs.

Yeah.
How I see it, at some point in the Morning war, just before and/or around the time that the Migrant Fleet abandoned their homeworlds and chose to run and survive the Geth started to awaken and question both their and the Quarian's actions. If the Geth did not do this, I believe that the Quarians would have been wiped out right then and there.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

They had the time to ignore the Geth and then time to try and reprogram them...

No, they didn't.

Yes they did.

"First they ignored us, then they reprogramed us, then they attacked us."

They took time to ignore the Geth. They took time to try and reprogram them, then they attacked the Geth. Had they taken the time to talk they may have figured out the Geth meant the Quarians no harm at all.

[Demyx89]

Not at all, the Geth became more then just simple. As you said your self HellBovine, they asked if the had a soul, if I am not mistaken that was before the morning war. The had a larger understanding of what it meant to be alive, and once the Quarains apposed that did they fight for their existence creating the morning war.

[Demyx89]

I highly agree with Ispeakthetruth. With the Quarains, they simply say that the Geth became dangerous, the Geth say nothing of the sort. Although the start of the morning war are the same, the story behind that are vastly different.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

They are sentient which means they are more than machines.

No, they are just complex machines. They are not living beings and cannot be given the same weight or value as an organic.

No they are sentient the Codex/The devs said they are so they are... I love how you reject the games reality and substitute your own it never stops amazing me.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

"First they ignored us, then they reprogramed us, then they attacked us."

They ignored what was not a problem. Then they reprogrammed them. Once they realized that hadn't worked and the geth were coming close to sentience anyway they took the only option left available to them.

Your quote actually works against you.

Do you even remember what started this line of conversation? You said the Quarians didn't have the luxury of time. Now you admit that they had the time to ignore the Geth, then to reprogram them.... So they had all the time in the world to also try and talk to them.

[Demyx89]

The quote works in both favors. "Ignoring, with out question, reprogramming, with out understanding, in between...nothing, attacking FEAR. The Quarains took no time to understand how a "Simple machine" became more then that. That would be the important part. If a child became powerful in idk lets say botics, would you or would you not destroy it simply because it is organic?