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[bazzag]

IElitePredatorI wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

exelsis wrote...

I think everyone missed my point. My point was with all of tali's percieved flaws, they don't make her any less desirable. They made her more human, realistic, and lovable. And you seem to hate someone just for being a blood mage. I never played DA2, so I don't know, but she probably has a really good reason for practising forbidden magic.

Then, not gonna lie, you should probably stuff a sock in it and not try to talk about things you know not of and act as if you do. It's a very big annoyance.

Not to mention you compared Tali's flaws that aren't even worth mentioning to a blood mage (blood magic NEVER has the right motives).

And just so you know, Merril's motives were to study an ancient, but very dangerous Dalish mirror that killed other Dalish in the past and was destroyed by your grey warden in DA:O if you were a Dalish Elf. Ergo - terrible motive.

Well put Gamer!

I always enjoy Gamer/exelsis debates. Theyre always interesting.

[Terrorize69]

Saying every blood mage WILL eventually go bad is like the starchild saying the created will always rebel against the creators.

As it stands, Merrill is the only good blood mage we know. If this changes in the future then so be it, but currently, theres atleast 1 good blood mage around

[gamer_girl]

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

bazzag wrote...

^Merrill wasn't a bad blood mage, in the sense that she wasn't evil. She just wanted to restore knowledge to the dalish. If anything, she was obsessed

But blood magic in itself is intrinsically bad.
The comparison of her to Tali that exelsis made kind of makes me sick.
Tali being wary of the non organic species that conquered her homeworld is not intrinsically bad.

What makes blood magic intrinsically bad? Do you have to sacrifice sentients in order to harness that power? And what makes it worse than living your whole life to destroy a sentient species? I know that once she meets legion, she figures out that the geth aren't evil, but she still wanted to kill them all for most of her life.

Judge one based on their actions, not their thoughts.
Tali never acted on her desire to commit genocide against the geth.
Merril used blood magic every day.
Also if you want to know why blood magic is bad, how about play the freaking game before talking about it.
There's a wiki article here: http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic

Modifié par gamer_girl, 24 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[L. Han]

Enn-chaunt-mehnts?


Some random dwarf I forgot his name.

[IElitePredatorI]

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

bazzag wrote...

^Merrill wasn't a bad blood mage, in the sense that she wasn't evil. She just wanted to restore knowledge to the dalish. If anything, she was obsessed

But blood magic in itself is intrinsically bad.
The comparison of her to Tali that exelsis made kind of makes me sick.
Tali being wary of the non organic species that conquered her homeworld is not intrinsically bad.

What makes blood magic intrinsically bad? Do you have to sacrifice sentients in order to harness that power? And what makes it worse than living your whole life to destroy a sentient species? I know that once she meets legion, she figures out that the geth aren't evil, but she still wanted to kill them all for most of her life.

And gamer, you are being black and white. Morality is not a dichotomy, but a scale.

Bearing if you played Mass Effect 3, after your Geth Consensus mission one of the Admirals says what Shepard saw in the Geth Consensus does not match the 'Quarian Stories'. Tali's early view on the Geth is most likely the result of false propaganda.

[ichi9181]

Rickets wrote...

Enn-chaunt-mehnts?


Some random dwarf I forgot his name.

sandal i think

[bazzag]

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

bazzag wrote...

^Merrill wasn't a bad blood mage, in the sense that she wasn't evil. She just wanted to restore knowledge to the dalish. If anything, she was obsessed

But blood magic in itself is intrinsically bad.
The comparison of her to Tali that exelsis made kind of makes me sick.
Tali being wary of the non organic species that conquered her homeworld is not intrinsically bad.

What makes blood magic intrinsically bad? Do you have to sacrifice sentients in order to harness that power? And what makes it worse than living your whole life to destroy a sentient species? I know that once she meets legion, she figures out that the geth aren't evil, but she still wanted to kill them all for most of her life. 

Well, when you look at history, think of this. After the second world war, how many nations wanted revenge against the germans? the japanese? Its natural to want revenge on someone who took everything away from you, or your kind, or your country. It isn't a flaw

[IElitePredatorI]

Rickets wrote...

Enn-chaunt-mehnts?


Some random dwarf I forgot his name.

Sandal! Enchantment? *selects Enchantment* ENCHANTMENT!

[IElitePredatorI]

bazzag wrote...

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

bazzag wrote...

^Merrill wasn't a bad blood mage, in the sense that she wasn't evil. She just wanted to restore knowledge to the dalish. If anything, she was obsessed

But blood magic in itself is intrinsically bad.
The comparison of her to Tali that exelsis made kind of makes me sick.
Tali being wary of the non organic species that conquered her homeworld is not intrinsically bad.

What makes blood magic intrinsically bad? Do you have to sacrifice sentients in order to harness that power? And what makes it worse than living your whole life to destroy a sentient species? I know that once she meets legion, she figures out that the geth aren't evil, but she still wanted to kill them all for most of her life. 

Well, when you look at history, think of this. After the second world war, how many nations wanted revenge against the germans? the japanese? Its natural to want revenge on someone who took everything away from you, or your kind, or your country. It isn't a flaw

Well put as well Bazzag!

[bazzag]

ichi9181 wrote...

Rickets wrote...

Enn-chaunt-mehnts?


Some random dwarf I forgot his name.

sandal i think

Sandal Feddic.

[Unschuld]

Rickets wrote...

THAT'S IT. THE GUDDAMN ME3 ENDING...

Blood magic....

This takes me back...

[Terrorize69]

Oh on a side note.. I met Fenrirs VA last year along with Eve Myles and the torchwood team at Comiccon :333

[exelsis]

gamer_girl wrote...

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

bazzag wrote...

^Merrill wasn't a bad blood mage, in the sense that she wasn't evil. She just wanted to restore knowledge to the dalish. If anything, she was obsessed

But blood magic in itself is intrinsically bad.
The comparison of her to Tali that exelsis made kind of makes me sick.
Tali being wary of the non organic species that conquered her homeworld is not intrinsically bad.

What makes blood magic intrinsically bad? Do you have to sacrifice sentients in order to harness that power? And what makes it worse than living your whole life to destroy a sentient species? I know that once she meets legion, she figures out that the geth aren't evil, but she still wanted to kill them all for most of her life.

Judge one based on their actions, not their thoughts.
Tali never acted on her desire to commit genocide against the geth.
Merril used blood magic every day.
Also if you want to know why blood magic is bad, how about play the freaking game before talking about it.
There's a wiki article here: http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic

There is no difference between using blood as a magical component than mana, magicka, lyrium, or anything else. The motives and the means both matter. Using one over another does not automatically make you a bad person. Tali uses bullets to destroy geth through 3 games, but that doesn't mean that bullets are bad or good. You can kill saren with bullets, and he kills nihlus with bullets. Soveriegn is destroyed by bullets, and reapers destroy civilizations with giant bullets. The motive behind the use of any such weapons or skills matters as much as anything else.

[Tom80]

Terrorize69 wrote...

bazzag wrote...

I'm probably one of the few who didn't mind DA2.

But then, i am a story gamer and easy to please, so if i'm not happy over something then you know you've ballsed up.

*cue me3 ending*

DA2 was awesome for one reason....

-snip-

Even she was my LI in DA 2,.........WRONG THREAD !!!!

[Tom80]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Lol I always found Merrill to be the Medievil/Fantasy twin of Tali

I can understand that thought.

[bazzag]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Oh on a side note.. I met Fenrirs VA last year along with Eve Myles and the torchwood team at Comiccon :333

Fenris va is also the va for balthier in FF12.

On a related note. Why all the haterd for Merrill?

Anders is the villain of the show!

[Bfler]

Hawke can also become a bloodmage without being evil.

[IElitePredatorI]

bazzag wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Oh on a side note.. I met Fenrirs VA last year along with Eve Myles and the torchwood team at Comiccon :333

Fenris va is also the va for balthier in FF12.

On a related note. Why all the haterd for Merrill?

Anders is the villain of the show!

I know this is DA: O but...



Also, I love Tali!

[bazzag]

To choose blood magic is to be evil

@exelsis
So by your standards, necromancy is a nice jolly magic that deserves to be taught to all.

Blood magic is wrong because you HAVE TO USE BLOOD! That means you may need to kill someone to use a spell.

Blood magic is the most powerful type of magic there is.

And you know what they say about power right?

Modifié par bazzag, 24 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[L. Han]

Blood mages take me back...

Me and my boys we're in this hotel once. Blooming rose. A few drinks and a group of demon-possessed elven trans.

I was the only one to make it out alive.


Could have used that mask your girl Tali wears. Damn useful I figured.

[gamer_girl]

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Judge one based on their actions, not their thoughts.
Tali never acted on her desire to commit genocide against the geth.
Merril used blood magic every day.
Also if you want to know why blood magic is bad, how about play the freaking game before talking about it.
There's a wiki article here: http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic

There is no difference between using blood as a magical component than mana, magicka, lyrium, or anything else. The motives and the means both matter. Using one over another does not automatically make you a bad person. Tali uses bullets to destroy geth through 3 games, but that doesn't mean that bullets are bad or good. You can kill saren with bullets, and he kills nihlus with bullets. Soveriegn is destroyed by bullets, and reapers destroy civilizations with giant bullets. The motive behind the use of any such weapons or skills matters as much as anything else.

Ok clearly I posted that link in vain because you didn't even bother to read it.
Blood magic was created by a demon of the same lineage as the archdemon - dumat.
Simply the fact that this magic was made by and is fuelled by the power of demons is enough not to use it.
So actually yeah, there is a big difference.
Tali only destroyed the geth that impeded Shepard's motives (unless there were some she killed purely out of hate that weren't included in the game that you somehow know about because you think you're all knowing).
By your logic of how you think Tali's thoughts are wrong, everyone is inherently bad because we have all had self centered, evil, or some other thoughts some time in our lives.
But seriously, stop thinking you know about this without having played the frogging game. I'm getting so sick this...

Talking to someone like exelsis is very bad for my temper and morale.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 24 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Terrorize69]

Bfler wrote...

Hawke can also become a bloodmage without being evil.

^This.

'Canon' Hawke or Trailer Hawke is a bloodmage.


If I ever heard Talis voice in person, I now know how i'd react, I MELTED when I spoke to Eve Myles <3

Modifié par Terrorize69, 24 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[IElitePredatorI]

bazzag wrote...

To choose blood magic is to be evil

@exelsis
So by your standards, necromancy is a nice jolly magic that deserves to be taught to all.

Blood magic is wrong because you HAVE TO USE BLOOD! That means you may need to kill someone to use a spell.

Also, I may have misinterpreted his post about bullets but they don't really have a choice in how they are used do they? The person who by action desires to use them is repsonsible for the impact.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Thing is, blood magic is like a huge beacon that tells demons "I'm right here! Possess me please! Turn me into an abomination now!'

[bazzag]

gamer_girl wrote...



Ok clearly I posted that link in vain because you didn't even bother to read it.
Blood magic was created by a demon of the same lineage as the archdemon - dumat.
Simply the fact that this magic was made by and is fuelled by the power of demons is enough not to use it.
So actually yeah, there is a big difference.
Tali only destroyed the geth that impeded Shepard's motives (unless there were some she killed purely out of hate that weren't included in the game that you somehow know about because you think you're all knowing).
By your logic of how you think Tali's thoughts are wrong, everyone is inherently bad because we have all had self centered, evil, or some other thoughts some time in our lives.
But seriously, stop thinking you know about this without having played the frogging game. I'm getting so sick this...

Talking to someone like exelsis is very bad for my temper and faith in humanity.

You represent the best of us

But i agree. Without playing the game Exelsis, you wont understand.