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[exelsis]

bazzag wrote...

To choose blood magic is to be evil

@exelsis
So by your standards, necromancy is a nice jolly magic that deserves to be taught to all.

Blood magic is wrong because you HAVE TO USE BLOOD! That means you may need to kill someone to use a spell.

Can it not be your own blood? Can it not be the blood of someone willing to lose a portion of their own? In DAO, your blood magic spells work just fine without carrying a backpack full of virgins/infants around so you can sacrifice their blood. Necromancy is not inherently evil either, but still, is usually used for evil. Bringing back insane spirits of the dead is bad, killing someone to use their blood is bad, but using knowledge of necromancy to ward away the undead? To aid in freeing the souls, still trapped in their dead, flesh-craving bodies? Is it evil to use blood magic to save a world? A continent? Nation? City, even? Things are not black and white, please do not paint them so.

Nuclear weapons were first sought after by nawtzies(edited for uncensorship, and more bad war movie accent). Does that make nuclear weapons and nuclear power evil? No, it does not. But they are both still pretty bad alternatives in the long run.

Modifié par exelsis, 24 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[IElitePredatorI]

gamer_girl wrote...

exelsis wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Judge one based on their actions, not their thoughts.
Tali never acted on her desire to commit genocide against the geth.
Merril used blood magic every day.
Also if you want to know why blood magic is bad, how about play the freaking game before talking about it.
There's a wiki article here: http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic

There is no difference between using blood as a magical component than mana, magicka, lyrium, or anything else. The motives and the means both matter. Using one over another does not automatically make you a bad person. Tali uses bullets to destroy geth through 3 games, but that doesn't mean that bullets are bad or good. You can kill saren with bullets, and he kills nihlus with bullets. Soveriegn is destroyed by bullets, and reapers destroy civilizations with giant bullets. The motive behind the use of any such weapons or skills matters as much as anything else.

Ok clearly I posted that link in vain because you didn't even bother to read it.
Blood magic was created by a demon of the same lineage as the archdemon - dumat.
Simply the fact that this magic was made by and is fuelled by the power of demons is enough not to use it.
So actually yeah, there is a big difference.
Tali only destroyed the geth that impeded Shepard's motives (unless there were some she killed purely out of hate that weren't included in the game that you somehow know about because you think you're all knowing).
By your logic of how you think Tali's thoughts are wrong, everyone is inherently bad because we have all had self centered, evil, or some other thoughts some time in our lives.
But seriously, stop thinking you know about this without having played the frogging game. I'm getting so sick this...

Talking to someone like exelsis is very bad for my temper and morale.

Aww, here have this Gamer:

[Terrorize69]

Omg... FF idea for after Aftermath... Merrill and Tali crossfic!

[bazzag]

exelsis wrote...

bazzag wrote...

To choose blood magic is to be evil

@exelsis
So by your standards, necromancy is a nice jolly magic that deserves to be taught to all.

Blood magic is wrong because you HAVE TO USE BLOOD! That means you may need to kill someone to use a spell.

Can it not be your own blood? Can it not be the blood of someone willing to lose a portion of their own? In DAO, your blood magic spells work just fine without carrying a backpack full of virgins/infants around so you can sacrifice their blood. Necromancy is not inherently evil either, but still, is usually used for evil. Bringing back insane spirits of the dead is bad, killing someone to use their blood is bad, but using knowledge of necromancy to ward away the undead? To aid in freeing the souls, still trapped in their dead, flesh-craving bodies? Is it evil to use blood magic to save a world? A continent? Nation? City, even? Things are not black and white, please do not paint them so.

As in previous posts. Blood magic is a beacon for demons. they will possess you eventually. BM is powerful. Power corrupts. Look at real governments, look at udina, Look at howe and loghain. To use the most powerful spells, you need more blood. Hence why jowan kills isolde to send you into the fade. To use your blood to use those spells that could save the world, would need a lot of blood. If you use your blood, you will die, and be unable to finish the spell

[gamer_girl]

Terrorize if you include that stupid blood mage in your fanfic, I will not read it. XD

[IElitePredatorI]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Omg... FF idea for after Aftermath... Merrill and Tali crossfic!

You have written Merill by accident I think.

[bazzag]

gamer_girl wrote...

Terrorize if you include that stupid blood mage in your fanfic, I will not read it. XD

A dragon age/mass effect cross over would be hilarious! Think of the conversation between Grunt, wrex and oghren! EPIC WIN!

[Tom80]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Omg... FF idea for after Aftermath... Merrill and Tali crossfic!

HOLY CRAP, NO !!!!!


Btw, GUYS BACK TO ME Universe !!!

[Terrorize69]

gamer_girl wrote...

Terrorize if you include that stupid blood mage in your fanfic, I will not read it. XD

:lol:

Its ok she wont be in 'THIS' FF 

[IElitePredatorI]

bazzag wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Terrorize if you include that stupid blood mage in your fanfic, I will not read it. XD

A dragon age/mass effect cross over would be hilarious! Think of the conversation between Grunt, wrex and oghren! EPIC WIN!

Shepard.

Wrex.

Shepard.

Grunt.

Er who is... OGHREN!!!! Can I have a pony?

[exelsis]

bazzag wrote...

exelsis wrote...

bazzag wrote...

To choose blood magic is to be evil

@exelsis
So by your standards, necromancy is a nice jolly magic that deserves to be taught to all.

Blood magic is wrong because you HAVE TO USE BLOOD! That means you may need to kill someone to use a spell.

Can it not be your own blood? Can it not be the blood of someone willing to lose a portion of their own? In DAO, your blood magic spells work just fine without carrying a backpack full of virgins/infants around so you can sacrifice their blood. Necromancy is not inherently evil either, but still, is usually used for evil. Bringing back insane spirits of the dead is bad, killing someone to use their blood is bad, but using knowledge of necromancy to ward away the undead? To aid in freeing the souls, still trapped in their dead, flesh-craving bodies? Is it evil to use blood magic to save a world? A continent? Nation? City, even? Things are not black and white, please do not paint them so.

As in previous posts. Blood magic is a beacon for demons. they will possess you eventually. BM is powerful. Power corrupts. Look at real governments, look at udina, Look at howe and loghain. To use the most powerful spells, you need more blood. Hence why jowan kills isolde to send you into the fade. To use your blood to use those spells that could save the world, would need a lot of blood. If you use your blood, you will die, and be unable to finish the spell

Because something is a corrupting influence is not an argument for rejection, but for moderation. Money is corrupting in any amount, and everyone is fine with using it. Demon possession is an argument for a protective organization, like the templar, but not full of evil dicks.
And I'm not saying try to blow the darkspawn out of the universe with a single cataclysmic spell of awesomesauce. I mean use blood magic in your effort to achieve an end that benefits humanity(elvenkind?) as a whole.

[L. Han]

Alright hate to break in to this but....

How did you all start to debate on blood magic and elves and some woman filled with STDs and a elven blood mage and, and....

[exelsis]

Rickets wrote...

Alright hate to break in to this but....

How did you all start to debate on blood magic and elves and some woman filled with STDs and a elven blood mage and, and....

Someone said that blood mages are bad just for being blood mages. I disagreed. It's big now.

[gamer_girl]

exelsis wrote...

bazzag wrote...

exelsis wrote...

bazzag wrote...

To choose blood magic is to be evil

@exelsis
So by your standards, necromancy is a nice jolly magic that deserves to be taught to all.

Blood magic is wrong because you HAVE TO USE BLOOD! That means you may need to kill someone to use a spell.

Can it not be your own blood? Can it not be the blood of someone willing to lose a portion of their own? In DAO, your blood magic spells work just fine without carrying a backpack full of virgins/infants around so you can sacrifice their blood. Necromancy is not inherently evil either, but still, is usually used for evil. Bringing back insane spirits of the dead is bad, killing someone to use their blood is bad, but using knowledge of necromancy to ward away the undead? To aid in freeing the souls, still trapped in their dead, flesh-craving bodies? Is it evil to use blood magic to save a world? A continent? Nation? City, even? Things are not black and white, please do not paint them so.

As in previous posts. Blood magic is a beacon for demons. they will possess you eventually. BM is powerful. Power corrupts. Look at real governments, look at udina, Look at howe and loghain. To use the most powerful spells, you need more blood. Hence why jowan kills isolde to send you into the fade. To use your blood to use those spells that could save the world, would need a lot of blood. If you use your blood, you will die, and be unable to finish the spell

Because something is a corrupting influence is not an argument for rejection, but for moderation. Money is corrupting in any amount, and everyone is fine with using it. Demon possession is an argument for a protective organization, like the templar, but not full of evil dicks.
And I'm not saying try to blow the darkspawn out of the universe with a single cataclysmic spell of awesomesauce. I mean use blood magic in your effort to achieve an end that benefits humanity(elvenkind?) as a whole.

Which Merril did not do ever, nor did any other blood mage that comes to mind.
Case closed. <_<

[Terrorize69]

*Not my fault* lol

[IElitePredatorI]

Rickets wrote...

Alright hate to break in to this but....

How did you all start to debate on blood magic and elves and some woman filled with STDs and a elven blood mage and, and....

Someone brought up Dragon Age, then romances, then Merill, then how Merill is somehow like Tali, then why she isn't, then the ****storm broke out.

[bazzag]

exelsis wrote...

bazzag wrote...

exelsis wrote...

bazzag wrote...

To choose blood magic is to be evil

@exelsis
So by your standards, necromancy is a nice jolly magic that deserves to be taught to all.

Blood magic is wrong because you HAVE TO USE BLOOD! That means you may need to kill someone to use a spell.

Can it not be your own blood? Can it not be the blood of someone willing to lose a portion of their own? In DAO, your blood magic spells work just fine without carrying a backpack full of virgins/infants around so you can sacrifice their blood. Necromancy is not inherently evil either, but still, is usually used for evil. Bringing back insane spirits of the dead is bad, killing someone to use their blood is bad, but using knowledge of necromancy to ward away the undead? To aid in freeing the souls, still trapped in their dead, flesh-craving bodies? Is it evil to use blood magic to save a world? A continent? Nation? City, even? Things are not black and white, please do not paint them so.

As in previous posts. Blood magic is a beacon for demons. they will possess you eventually. BM is powerful. Power corrupts. Look at real governments, look at udina, Look at howe and loghain. To use the most powerful spells, you need more blood. Hence why jowan kills isolde to send you into the fade. To use your blood to use those spells that could save the world, would need a lot of blood. If you use your blood, you will die, and be unable to finish the spell

Because something is a corrupting influence is not an argument for rejection, but for moderation. Money is corrupting in any amount, and everyone is fine with using it. Demon possession is an argument for a protective organization, like the templar, but not full of evil dicks.
And I'm not saying try to blow the darkspawn out of the universe with a single cataclysmic spell of awesomesauce. I mean use blood magic in your effort to achieve an end that benefits humanity(elvenkind?) as a whole.

Okay, i'm ending this now! You have never played DA2, therefore you cannot comment on it. You didn't like origins, therefore you would not have engaged in the story, what with all your exelsis thoughts depriving you of positive thoughts. Blood magic is wrong! End of story! I shant comment on this anymore!

TALI IS AWESOME AND I WOULD LOVE TO BUY HER A HULA HOOP!

This is our new discussion. How good would tali be at using a hula hoop?

Modifié par bazzag, 24 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[exelsis]

gamer_girl wrote...

exelsis wrote...
Because something is a corrupting influence is not an argument for rejection, but for moderation. Money is corrupting in any amount, and everyone is fine with using it. Demon possession is an argument for a protective organization, like the templar, but not full of evil dicks.
And I'm not saying try to blow the darkspawn out of the universe with a single cataclysmic spell of awesomesauce. I mean use blood magic in your effort to achieve an end that benefits humanity(elvenkind?) as a whole.

Which Merril did not do ever, nor did any other blood mage that comes to mind.
Case closed. <_<

<<--- this guy in DAO.
Saved the whole damned world, don'tchaknow! It does not matter if she saves the world or not. What matters is that she wishes to benefit her people as a whole, and is using her blood to do so. While she may be arrogant to believe she won't be corrupted, foolish to think she can do it without aid, her intent matters. She doesn't need to stop using blood magic, she needs an opposing influence to keep her from being corrupted, possessed, or losing track of her goal.

Case not closed.

Modifié par exelsis, 24 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[bazzag]

FOR GODS SAKE LEAVE IT EXELSIS! IT IS OVER!

EEGADS YOU'D ARGUE THE SKY WAS BLOODY GREEN GIVEN A CHANCE!

BACK TO TALI! NOW!

[gamer_girl]

What part of stuff it, get back on topic, and stop being a megalomaniac is hard to grasp? >_>

[exelsis]

bazzag wrote...

FOR GODS SAKE LEAVE IT EXELSIS! IT IS OVER!

EEGADS YOU'D ARGUE THE SKY WAS BLOODY GREEN GIVEN A CHANCE!

BACK TO TALI! NOW!

Back to tali. And front to tali.


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And the sky might appear to be green to a species that percieves color differently than humans do. Maybe quarians?

Modifié par exelsis, 24 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[IElitePredatorI]

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To Exelsis:

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Modifié par IElitePredatorI, 24 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[L. Han]

exelsis wrote...

Rickets wrote...

Alright hate to break in to this but....

How did you all start to debate on blood magic and elves and some woman filled with STDs and a elven blood mage and, and....

Someone said that blood mages are bad just for being blood mages. I disagreed. It's big now.

You.. what?!  Sir. Do the words: Political maelstorm mean anything to you?

[weirdnerd]

* come back from final sees what tali thread is talking about *

nope. check back later.

[bazzag]

To collector predator:

*salute*