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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

But it makes no sense. If Shepard was in fact indoctrinated, he would have been trying to help the reapers but would have thought it was the right thing. He would not still be trying to stop them. That *and* if he actually was indoctrinated the whole time, how the hell is it than when he wakes up, the reapers are miraculously defeated? I'd rather space magic because at least space magic is powerful enough to destroy something like the reapers. All of the galaxy's fleets are not strong enough to defeat the reapers through force alone. There has to be a loop hole. And they found out what the catalyst was but didn't know yet how to utilize it yeah? So I don't see a crucible as the loophole unless there's a really good explanation for how it managed to defeat the reapers with Shepard working for the reapers simultaneously. It adds more plot holes than we already have, and it's stupid. That's my rant for today.



Its not a great replacement for the ending your right, but people want to belive anything other than the endings:mellow:


Its one of those where you want to believe something, and the more you look at it the more it makes sense, even if it doesn't. I used to be a big indoc theorist, but now, not so much. Indoc theory is indoctrination in itself

#51327
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Conspiracy Theories often have nice long documentaries taking things out of context. You can proove anything with a 20 minute documentary.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 25 avril 2012 - 06:21 .


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C ya Rev
C ya Mad

@Tyr
the ending dlc is free, so that makes no sense

#51329
XenoAlbedo

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I'm sorry for bringing this up again... But I went to 1718. Why? Why?! Whyyyyyyy?!
I'll go punish myself by playing Dark Souls with no armor and the broken hilt of a sword.

#51330
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We told you.

i hope you have learned a valuable lesson. Listen to the wise

#51331
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@Xeno
I also learned that lesson the hard way. *facepalm*

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gamer_girl wrote...

But it makes no sense. If Shepard was in fact indoctrinated, he would have been trying to help the reapers but would have thought it was the right thing. He would not still be trying to stop them. That *and* if he actually was indoctrinated the whole time, how the hell is it than when he wakes up, the reapers are miraculously defeated? I'd rather space magic because at least space magic is powerful enough to destroy something like the reapers. All of the galaxy's fleets are not strong enough to defeat the reapers through force alone. There has to be a loop hole. And they found out what the catalyst was but didn't know yet how to utilize it yeah? So I don't see a crucible as the loophole unless there's a really good explanation for how it managed to defeat the reapers with Shepard working for the reapers simultaneously. It adds more plot holes than we already have, and it's stupid. That's my rant for today.


Here's how I see it:

As Shepard charges towards the beam, all is normal until that 'laser' harbinger shoots is directed at Shepard.  The reality of the whole matter is when Shepard entered the outer layer of the ring system, he and his two squadmates were teleported onto the citadel, the teleporter having a much bigger radius than one sees, but what happened was Harbinger attempted to indoctrinate him in the very fast teleportation cycle.  Depending on your galatic readiness (We'll say that Shepard's morale has something to do with it, after all, getting resources to help the galaxy surely boosts his morale?), he either resists, succumbs to the full indoctrination, or has his mind shattered so badly he is considered brain-dead (Based on the choices you make there).

Technically, despite what the developers say, the Illusive Man IS the final boss.  The only difference is you can either convince him to shoot himself, or directly confront him by either shooting him with a renegade response and interrupt or a normal response and renegade interrupt, the latter being bad.  I realize they wanted to do it differently, but still, a final boss is a final boss.  And I will admit, while the Illusive Man capping himself isn't the 'best' suicide, it's definately the second best, only to Saren.  It sent shivers down my spine when I saw it the first time.

I hope that they do more than cinematics in the extended cut, and that they don't do something stupid like Genesis, where they give you a stupid comic book to make choices.  But if they do make a epic final part to the game, Tali and Garrus will be by my side.  In the suicide mission, I was afraid to have Tali with me because she may die, but I will no longer be afraid.  Tali and I, along with Garrus, are in this fight together; we'll fight together, and if need be, we'll die together.  I'm not going to let fear keep me back as Tali sits in safety onboard the normandy.

Modifié par forthary, 25 avril 2012 - 06:27 .


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XenoAlbedo

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bazzag wrote...

We told you.

i hope you have learned a valuable lesson. Listen to the wise

 
The punishment I gave myself is fitting to the severity of the crime of going to that page if you know that game.

#51334
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Tom80 wrote...

darthrevaninlight wrote...

Image IPB

and im off :)
speak of Tali! :)


HOLY !!!Image IPB


Damn it Lucy, get out of my girlfriends suit!

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I still don't think that makes sense at all forthary but ok.

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gamer_girl wrote...

@Xeno
I also learned that lesson the hard way. *facepalm*



An old saying springs to mind

Curiosity killed the cat... or... panda, in your case.

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L. Han

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Page 1718....

You dare mention that page again?

I went in there and returned sane. But not normal again...

#51338
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bazzag wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

@Xeno
I also learned that lesson the hard way. *facepalm*



An old saying springs to mind

Curiosity killed the cat... or... panda, in your case.

What is this thing about pandas?

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forthary wrote...

As Shepard charges towards the beam, all is normal until that 'laser' harbinger shoots is directed at Shepard.  The reality of the whole matter is when Shepard entered the outer layer of the ring system, he and his two squadmates were teleported onto the citadel, the teleporter having a much bigger radius than one sees, but what happened was Harbinger attempted to indoctrinate him in the very fast teleportation cycle.  Depending on your galatic readiness (We'll say that Shepard's morale has something to do with it, after all, getting resources to help the galaxy surely boosts his morale?), he either resists, succumbs to the full indoctrination, or has his mind shattered so badly he is considered brain-dead (Based on the choices you make there).


Indoctrination isn't an active process. It's passive. And it's known to take days to weeks of exposure for strong-willed people like Shepard. Harbinger, as far as everything we know about the games thus far have shown, could not have "quickly tried to indoctrinate Shepard during transportation". Nothing we've seen supports that in the least.

The indoctrination theory makes a hole for every hole it plugs. It was a noble attempt to bring sense to nonsense.

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Rickets wrote...

Page 1718....

You dare mention that page again?

I went in there and returned sane. But not normal again...


Is it really that bad? I went to that page, and my reaction was more "Good for you mate". It is about that guys dream right?

#51341
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Rickets wrote...

Page 1718....

You dare mention that page again?

I went in there and returned sane. But not normal again...


Lets not talk about it then...

#51342
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I go for a bit and miss the WH40K portion of this thread? Dangit!

On a related note, this page needs more Techpriest Tali!

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Cheese of Borg wrote...

Rickets wrote...

Page 1718....

You dare mention that page again?

I went in there and returned sane. But not normal again...


Lets not talk about it then...

We could talk about my dreams. Wait. Still a bad idea.:unsure:

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gamer_girl wrote...

I still don't think that makes sense at all forthary but ok.


Yeah...I tried.  Then again, neither do the reapers and their stupid ideas about harvesting us make sense; I believe them to be a chaotic evil enemy but with the intelligence of a lawful evil enemy as well to some degree.  (If you have no idea about what im talking about regarding evil, see here.)

To be honest, im not expecting much from this 'directors cut ending'.  The amount of work that would be required to exceed ours and everyone else's expectations is a lot.  Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if it took a whole year to make that kind of ending.  That doesn't mean it's impossible, but unlikely.  We'll be lucky to see Tali and Shepard on Rannoch if they put some work into it.  But we can only hope.  And hold on.

Modifié par forthary, 25 avril 2012 - 06:39 .


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CURSE YOU AND YOUR MACHINE SPIRITS.

THE UNSUNG HEROES OF THE IMPERIA-- wait get on topic please!

#51346
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XenoAlbedo wrote...

bazzag wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

@Xeno
I also learned that lesson the hard way. *facepalm*



An old saying springs to mind

Curiosity killed the cat... or... panda, in your case.

What is this thing about pandas?


Look back over the past couple of pages. Somewhere in their mad explains it for you. It really is simple to comprehend

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Yes it was supposedly someone's dream. Though it sounded more like something desperate people in their middle ages read because they don't trust pron sites and they're lonely.
It was far too detailed to be anything a normal person would read. That and it seemed more than a bit farfetched to me, but whatever.

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

I go for a bit and miss the WH40K portion of this thread? Dangit!

On a related note, this page needs more Techpriest Tali!
*AdeptTaliSnip*


Heres.... Awesome!

#51349
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forthary wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I still don't think that makes sense at all forthary but ok.


Yeah...I tried.  Then again, neither do the reapers and their stupid ideas about harvesting us make sense; I believe them to be a chaotic evil enemy but with the intelligence of a lawful evil enemy as well to some degree.  (If you have no idea about what im talking about regarding evil, see here.)

To be honest, im not expecting much from this 'directors cut ending'.  The amount of work that would be required to exceed ours and everyone else's expectations is a lot.  That doesn't mean it's impossible, but unlikely.  We'll be lucky to see Tali and Shepard on Rannoch if they put some work into it.  But we can only hope.  And hold on.



theyve hinted at there being some diy housing...

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bazzag wrote...


theyve hinted at there being some diy housing...


Source of the hint?