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[Runescapeguy9]

we don't know they have glowing eyes as a fact, and biologically it wouldn't make sense to have glowing eyes. granted it is a game, I would still like to see some science in my fiction.

[illutian]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

we don't know they have glowing eyes as a fact, and biologically it wouldn't make sense to have glowing eyes. granted it is a game, I would still like to see some science in my fiction.

Well, if you engage in a Tali-conversation you can watch the two glowing dots (presumably her eyes) blink on and off (aka eye blinking) and you can see them move; like if you watch shepard's eyes while in a conversation...his move around.

That's why I'll assume the Quarrians have glowing eyes, Unless it's been mentioned I (we) have no idea what the Quarrian homeworld is/was like before they left. Perhaps the environment caused them to evolve bioluminence around the pupil.


Or it could be like the glow produced when light hits a dog's eyes....that would explain why there's no reflection on the face plate when Shepard removes it 

[Xarathox]

DaftArbiter wrote...

I really think they should try to increase the racial commentary/redemption element with the romance with her. Yeah, it's already there, but just how mistreated and disliked are the quarians exactly? And if Shep, the galaxy-renowned hero is willing to take the time of day to trust one of them more than anyone else, how would that influence other people's views of them? And will they capitalize on it or continue their plot against the geth instead of using the newfound sympathy for them?

Good point. A better point however is: are we going to be able to lambast the council for their hypocritical treatment of the Quarians when the Salarians pulled the galaxy into war, twice (rachnai/krogan) and nearly lost it all due to their ignorance. Whereas the Quarian's mistake mostly affected just them for 300 years.

By all rights, the Salarians should be cast out as well, but somehow managed to keep their seat on the council.

[Runescapeguy9]

@Ivon reflection would be a better explanation, yes.

[mauro2222]

I still think that this one it's the best.

[RAF1940]

Quole wrote...

ChaplainTappman wrote...

 I've seen the picture that's modified from. I can't place my finger on the actress, though. The head is a little too big for the veil/body, which makes it a little offputting, but it's a good pic.

My personal favorite picture of Tali unmasked: 
Not sure if I buy it as her actual appearance, but I like it.

Personally. I hate that one. That one literally is just a human.

me too

[Nashiktal]

Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

It is in the top 3 of my favorites for unmasking.
Definitely #1 for detail, though..

I like her face on these pictures either but...Many people will still say something like: "She looks like a human-do not want.Now i'm gonna rage on Mass Effect forum"...What should Bioware decide? But let's take James Cameron's  Avatar movie for example.This movie became the most successful film Ever Made. But Nav'i's face is similar to human's (exept nose and skin colour) and no one complained about it.James Cameron is happy ,audithory is happy and the whole world is waiting for avatar 2 and avatar 3 movie.

That is why i don't understand why some people still want Tali to look like a creature from Predator movie...

Nice hyperbole there, but you are missing the reason why we want tali to look more alien. For the most part, there is nothing about wanting her to look like the Yatja outside of unmasking jokes and trolling. 

Mostly those advocating a more alien looking Tali are doing so because we are tired of multi colored humans populating the galaxy. Why can't we have more Turians, Drell, Salarians or krogan? The drell are a perfect example. They have a "human" pretty much everything. Human body, human face... but they have just enough alien "dressings" that they don't seem like a human wearing a rubber wig. 

The Na'vi are actually not all that human looking. They have smaller, more angular heads than humans, their noses take up a large portion of their face, and their ears are on the top of their heads at an angle. Their bodies are much more lilthe, and they have that rather long tail at the end. They are humanoid, not human. Unlike say the Asari and the Batarians who have the EXACT same body structure as a human, and the Asari even have the same face!

The Quarians? They do not have a similar body, their legs are jointed differently, their faces (at least the placeholder) are much more angulare than a humans, even more so than the Na'vi. Their eyes are smaller, their cheek bones are much more prominents, and apparently their ears are nonexistant, or unrecognizable when compared to a humans. With all this, if they just ended up as humans with misjointed knee's, I would be extremely dissapointed. Bioware is much more creative than that, they already proved this so why can't they show it?

Humans are already getting the special treatment in story, can't the aliens look... Well humanoid instead of human at least? Don't tell me they won't make her alien because she wouldn't be attractive, Bioware has already proven that notion wrong.

Xarathox wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I really think they should try to increase the racial commentary/redemption element with the romance with her. Yeah, it's already there, but just how mistreated and disliked are the quarians exactly? And if Shep, the galaxy-renowned hero is willing to take the time of day to trust one of them more than anyone else, how would that influence other people's views of them? And will they capitalize on it or continue their plot against the geth instead of using the newfound sympathy for them?

Good point. A better point however is: are we going to be able to lambast the council for their hypocritical treatment of the Quarians when the Salarians pulled the galaxy into war, twice (rachnai/krogan) and nearly lost it all due to their ignorance. Whereas the Quarian's mistake mostly affected just them for 300 years.

By all rights, the Salarians should be cast out as well, but somehow managed to keep their seat on the council.

The thing is, the Salarians stopped a murderous rampaging race, not unleashed it from the galaxy. The council doesn't know about the schism between the geth and the heretics, and they only have evidence that the geth are dangerous to organics.

Also the Salarians mistake, didn't wipe out the citadel fleet.

Not saying they are right, but you have to remember the universe at large doesn't know everything we know, and we can't provide evidence to the contrary yet.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 03 septembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[illutian]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

@Ivon reflection would be a better explanation, yes.

Hmm, which would suggest the quarrian homeworld is dark...maybe the planet has [forget the term] bu tan orbit that leaves one side always sun. I mean it would explain why they ALL have tinted face plates. Though then you'd have to wonder why indoor lighting didn't bother her (romance scene)....

[Runescapeguy9]

ignore

Modifié par Runescapeguy9, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:13 .

[illutian]

Makes you wonder if they even considered showing her face; with all the questions

BTW: I fully support Tali Unmasked in ME3; she is just too gosh-darn cute not to have a face

[Xarathox]

[quote]Xarathox wrote...

[quote]DaftArbiter wrote...

I really think they should try to increase the racial commentary/redemption element with the romance with her. Yeah, it's already there, but just how mistreated and disliked are the quarians exactly? And if Shep, the galaxy-renowned hero is willing to take the time of day to trust one of them more than anyone else, how would that influence other people's views of them? And will they capitalize on it or continue their plot against the geth instead of using the newfound sympathy for them?[/quote]

Good point. A better point however is: are we going to be able to lambast the council for their hypocritical treatment of the Quarians when the Salarians pulled the galaxy into war, twice (rachnai/krogan) and nearly lost it all due to their ignorance. Whereas the Quarian's mistake mostly affected just them for 300 years.

By all rights, the Salarians should be cast out as well, but somehow managed to keep their seat on the council.

[/quote]

The thing is, the Salarians stopped a murderous rampaging race, not unleashed it from the galaxy. The council doesn't know about the schism between the geth and the heretics, and they only have evidence that the geth are dangerous to organics.

Also the Salarians mistake, didn't wipe out the citadel fleet.

Not saying they are right, but you have to remember the universe at large doesn't know everything we know, and we can't provide evidence to the contrary yet.




[/quote]

Didn't read the codex, did you?

The Salarians did unleash the Rachnai when they activated the relay that led directly to their occupied space. Therefore being the direct cause to the Rachnai war, which drug every council race (Salarian/Turian/Asari) into a galactic war that they nearly lost due to Rachnai's ability to breed like rabbits.

To facilitate a victory, the Salarians technologically uplifted the Krogan, who by sapient standards, are barbaric in nature. They weren't ready for that level of advancement and were only uplifted because of their ability to breed like rabbits and take the fight to the Rachnai themselves.

Once the Krogan had deafeted the Rachnai (by complete genocide), they unsprisingly slipped right back into their race's cultural tendancies...and waged another galaxy consuming war, that the council again, nearly lost until the Salarians genetically neutered them.

Hope you're keeping count, because that is two major galaxy consuming **** ups, in one sitting. **** ups that cost not just the Salarians, but every race in citadel space. Twice. And what did the other council races do to reprimand the Salarians for those two mistakes? Absolutely nothing from what info is given.

Now compare that to the Quarians mistake (Geth obviously), which only affected the Quarians for 300 years. And during that 300 years, the council literally told the Quarians to go **** themselves time and time again.

That's called hypocrisy.

[Weiser_Cain]

Yeah,but the Quarians will be sitting pretty when the Reapers launch attacks on the home worlds of all the races and they aren't there. Just heavily armed Geth.

Modifié par Weiser_Cain, 03 septembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[Xarathox]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Yeah,but the Quarians will be sitting pretty when the Reapers launch attacks on the home worlds of all the races and they aren't there. Just heavily armed Geth.

The entire Reaper fleet already knows of the Geth and Rannoch, due to Sovereign contacting them and enlisting their help before the events of ME1. If however, only partially.

Also, they seem to have an information network that rivals the Shadow Broker's...so they likely know about the migrant fleet as well.

Modifié par Xarathox, 03 septembre 2011 - 07:45 .

[KingNothing125]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

The star the planet orbits, Dholen, is a red giant. Thunder has done a more indepth analysis of these kind of things but the amount of light the planet recieves should not change as much as the coloration of it.
Edit: Certainly not enough to cause any major changes to Tali's eyes. Just a game thing to express emotion, sadly..though it has been argued the reflection is from the HUD in the mask. Entirely possible

Hang on, buddy. Haestrom is not the Quarian homeworld, and Dholen is not the home star. It's just a colony.

[Weiser_Cain]

Xarathox wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Yeah,but the Quarians will be sitting pretty when the Reapers launch attacks on the home worlds of all the races and they aren't there. Just heavily armed Geth.

The entire Reaper fleet already knows of the Geth and Rannoch, due to Sovereign contacting them and enlisting their help before the events of ME1. If however, only partially.

Also, they seem to have an information network that rivals the Shadow Broker's...so they likely know about the migrant fleet as well.

Unless they get indoctrinated Quarians that can somehow still spout poetry, they ain't getting close the the migrant fleet without a fight.

[Swordfish56]

Indoctrination.....ugh. Anything can get indoctrinated it seems, but are some races more tolerant to it than others?

I'd hate to see Tali or any LI get indoctrinated in ME3....and since Protheans are going to play a significant role in ME3 (so twitter says)....I'm guessing we get some sort of anti-indoctrination shot/medication/whatever to resist the Reapers with.

[ChaplainTappman]

@Ivon- I wasn't talking about the pic I posted, but the one P38 ace posted.

As for the pictures looking too human, well, what do you expect? It's art made for humans, by humans. Like I said, I'm not sure I buy it as her actual appearance, but there's nothing wrong with art appreciation.

I personally would be a little unhappy if Tali took her mask off and there was just a human face there, because what little Bioware's let slip about quarians' appearance hints at a fair amount of divergence. But quarians are, unless I'm mistaken, mammalian. The books make note more of similarities than differences. We can reasonably expect quarians to look more human than not.

At the end of the day, I think it comes down to whether you want to highlight the differences or the similarities. For example, Nashiktal looks at the Na'vi from Avatar and sees something significantly different from humans. I look at them and see something astonishingly human. Neither of us is wrong.

[lovgreno]

Swordfish56 wrote...

Indoctrination.....ugh. Anything can get indoctrinated it seems, but are some races more tolerant to it than others?

I'd hate to see Tali or any LI get indoctrinated in ME3....and since Protheans are going to play a significant role in ME3 (so twitter says)....I'm guessing we get some sort of anti-indoctrination shot/medication/whatever to resist the Reapers with.

Well anyone can be indoctrinated, that is a important part of the ME plot. But since it has been used a lot already in the first two games the writers will maybe use it less in ME3. Quarians are experts in protective gear already so with some geth and Mordin help perhaps Tali can create some kind of barrier against indoctrination?

[P38 ace]

Ivon wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

@Ivon reflection would be a better explanation, yes.

Hmm, which would suggest the quarrian homeworld is dark...maybe the planet has [forget the term] bu tan orbit that leaves one side always sun. I mean it would explain why they ALL have tinted face plates. Though then you'd have to wonder why indoor lighting didn't bother her (romance scene)....

the term you are thinking of is Tidle-lock (like ocean Tides)

but the Glowing eyes could be caused by the visor, as a way for the Quarians to use eye contact in conversation

[P38 ace]

the Laira thread is only 2 pages behind us

next 2 pages flood with Pics, so we can keep our lead

VIVA LA TALI

[Valdrane78]

The Dashing Captain is happy she will re join my crew in ME3, and I'll love her like a big brother loves a little sister.

[Runescapeguy9]

KingNothing125 wrote...

I had a senior-imitation moment at 2 in the morning, my apologies.

Modifié par Runescapeguy9, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:13 .

[sites32]

Indoctrinated tali would make my shepard go ultra renagade giving up on being a paragon and say " **** it this sh*t just got personal *

Modifié par sitesunseen, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:26 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

Tali will have the Turret power, right? I'm really hoping Tali is going to end up having the Turret power. I want to see her launching deployable crap everywhere in ME3. Drone + Turret = Great openings for Vanguard Charge.