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[Orion1836]

Remember that house you get for beating Pinnacle Station in ME1? I always wanted to buy out the rest of that little planet with my capped credits and give it to Tali.

Shepard: "Hey Tail, I think I have something here you can bring back as a Pilgrimage gift... NOBODY'S going to top this!"

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Modifié par Orion1836, 20 juin 2011 - 08:30 .

[DoNotIngest]

Orion1836 wrote...

Remember that house you get for beating Pinnacle Station in ME1? I always wanted to buy out the rest of that little planet with my capped credits and give it to Tali.

Shepard: "Hey Tail, I think I have something here you can bring back as a Pilgrimage gift... NOBODY'S going to top this!"

Ah, makes me want to play that DLC now



*Imagines a small planet with thrusters shoved on the back movin' along at the center of the Migrant Fleet*

[Orion1836]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Orion1836 wrote...

Remember that house you get for beating Pinnacle Station in ME1? I always wanted to buy out the rest of that little planet with my capped credits and give it to Tali.

Shepard: "Hey Tail, I think I have something here you can bring back as a Pilgrimage gift... NOBODY'S going to top this!"

Ah, makes me want to play that DLC now



*Imagines a small planet with thrusters shoved on the back movin' along at the center of the Migrant Fleet*

Details here: http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Intai'sei

It's a neat little planet. Not too great, but not bad either. Only 150,000 people... bet Shepard could easily buy them out/scare them off.

[78stonewobble]

Saphra Deden wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Hmmm I haven't really read / heard they stripmined other peoples planets?

Sure I head that a friendly visit from around 10 millions cheap labourers weren't nice to the local economy but that was about it... I didn't really get the impression that they were immoral as such... just a huge ass burden...

Are you kidding? The quarians pretty much extort tribute from systems that don't have the military might to scare them off. They're a hassle, they put other people out of work, and they can even be said to be bullies.

Not that I blame, honestly, they're doing what they have to in order to survive as a people.

However, that still doesn't make their influence any less negative for many outsiders who must contend with them.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they also didn't conduct a little secret piracy from time to time to acqurie ships.

The difference here is probably in our different interpretations.

I do see the quarians as a huge economic burden and practical inconvenience when they pass a populated system.

Not fully intentional criminals but forced into that gray area where they have to take advantage of the opportunities that arise.

[rozpocet1]

I don't know whether we're still discussing how she should look like in ME3, I just want to add something. All the fan-created pictures I've seen (on this forum and elsewhere) look way too humanoid. From what I've seen through the helmet (and clearly it's not much) I always pictured her far more... well, abstract.

I totally can't paint but I maybe I can describe a few stylistic attributes.

The one thing I imagined similar to others was the dark skin tone, but the skin itself isn't like our skin. It's more like a reptile skin (without the scales of course) and smooth (god I hope that's clear, contact me for further clarification). She also has dark eyes but no visible iris or pupil and also no eyelids. I never pictured her with a proper nose and ears like humans have. I'm not sure how her mouth and lips would look like. I also thought that quarians wouldn't have any sort of hair on their bodies.
Well, all this is just me putting together aliens from every movie, game, book and making them look extremely alien and utterly attractive at the same time...
P.S. Perhaps I should say that I love Tali  and I certainly don't want to make this sound awkward, degrading or fetish-y.  I just really, really can't paint...

[Capt_Flashheart]

Alienmorph wrote...

In ME2 Tali is 24 and Shepard 31, nothing excessive.

Ah, but Shepard has only been "alive" for 29 of those 31 years since being born. If looked at from this perspective, the age difference between Tali and Shepard is only 5 years.

[lovgreno]

Also Tali was always very, very smart and mature for her age, more than Shepard in most ways I belive. Therefore the actual number of years between them isn't that important.

[lovgreno]

78stonewobble wrote...
The difference here is probably in our different interpretations.

I do see the quarians as a huge economic burden and practical inconvenience when they pass a populated system.

Not fully intentional criminals but forced into that gray area where they have to take advantage of the opportunities that arise.

They do what they need to do to survive in this dog eat dog galaxy where they are a very very small fish in a big ocean full of hungry predators.

But since they are so few of them the actual economic burden on the galaxy can't be very big and besides it seems like they more often are exploited by the top dogs, like poor people often are in our real world as well.

[comrade gando]

rozpocet1 wrote...

I don't know whether we're still discussing how she should look like in ME3, I just want to add something. All the fan-created pictures I've seen (on this forum and elsewhere) look way too humanoid. From what I've seen through the helmet (and clearly it's not much) I always pictured her far more... well, abstract.

I totally can't paint but I maybe I can describe a few stylistic attributes.

The one thing I imagined similar to others was the dark skin tone, but the skin itself isn't like our skin. It's more like a reptile skin (without the scales of course) and smooth (god I hope that's clear, contact me for further clarification). She also has dark eyes but no visible iris or pupil and also no eyelids. I never pictured her with a proper nose and ears like humans have. I'm not sure how her mouth and lips would look like. I also thought that quarians wouldn't have any sort of hair on their bodies.
Well, all this is just me putting together aliens from every movie, game, book and making them look extremely alien and utterly attractive at the same time...
P.S. Perhaps I should say that I love Tali  and I certainly don't want to make this sound awkward, degrading or fetish-y.  I just really, really can't paint...

THANK YOU someone else thinks those fanarts look way too human as well. High five good sir. /high five

[Nashiktal]

lovgreno wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...
The difference here is probably in our different interpretations.

I do see the quarians as a huge economic burden and practical inconvenience when they pass a populated system.

Not fully intentional criminals but forced into that gray area where they have to take advantage of the opportunities that arise.

They do what they need to do to survive in this dog eat dog galaxy where they are a very very small fish in a big ocean full of hungry predators.

But since they are so few of them the actual economic burden on the galaxy can't be very big and besides it seems like they more often are exploited by the top dogs, like poor people often are in our real world as well.

That depends on what you mean by can't be very big. Would it ruin the economy of an entire species? No. Would it ruin the economy of whatever system they travel to? Yes.

Why do you think the migrant fleet is not allowed near Illium? Hell if the Migrant fleet travelled to that system trade and commerce would be ruined and disrupted for weeks as they enter, and weeks as they leave. 

[DoNotIngest]

Considering the Council's past innaction and threats, I find the MIgrant Fleet's effect in general to be very statisfying.



And really, 17 million skilled techs/engineers could have been a huge asset if helped instead of snubbed.

[Nashiktal]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Considering the Council's past innaction and threats, I find the MIgrant Fleet's effect in general to be very statisfying.



And really, 17 million skilled techs/engineers could have been a huge asset if helped instead of snubbed.

So the decision of three people (not even the current three, it was  generations ago) warrants ruining the economies of countless planets by a third party knowing what they are doing is wrong? Even when there is a wide galaxy with less than 1% explored let alone used?

Gotcha, the Quarians are evil bastards.The geth are looking better now.

[ShadowLordXXX]

I'm fairly certain the Quarians most likely keep to areas with Mass Relays, which would explain why they cause economic problems as msot civilizations seem to be in areas located around the relays. As to why Quarians would only go to areas around relays(in general anyways) well, traveling to other star systems likely requires considerably more resources(even with FTL i believe it's said that travelling to other star systems is still fairly resource intensive) especially when you consider just how many ships the Quarians need to move.

Furthermore it should be noted that Quarians(iirc) are only strip mining asteroids and uninhabitable planets, not actually strip mining planets with colonies or anything. Oh and don't forget the council's own rules prohibit opening new relays, which could allow the Quarians to find a new planet(or it could be the Rachni all over again so... yeh)

[lovgreno]

Nashiktal wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...
The difference here is probably in our different interpretations.

I do see the quarians as a huge economic burden and practical inconvenience when they pass a populated system.

Not fully intentional criminals but forced into that gray area where they have to take advantage of the opportunities that arise.

They do what they need to do to survive in this dog eat dog galaxy where they are a very very small fish in a big ocean full of hungry predators.

But since they are so few of them the actual economic burden on the galaxy can't be very big and besides it seems like they more often are exploited by the top dogs, like poor people often are in our real world as well.

That depends on what you mean by can't be very big. Would it ruin the economy of an entire species? No. Would it ruin the economy of whatever system they travel to? Yes.

Why do you think the migrant fleet is not allowed near Illium? Hell if the Migrant fleet travelled to that system trade and commerce would be ruined and disrupted for weeks as they enter, and weeks as they leave. 

Yeah, good point. But since the quarians are usualy allowed to do their thing in peace I guess they are mostly seen as a annoyance. If they realy would start to make a dent in economies even on a smaller scale the protectionistic (not necesarily a bad thing) superpowers would not hesitate to chase them away as they have basicaly no political or military power to stop it.

[Pride Demon]

Nashiktal wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Considering the Council's past innaction and threats, I find the MIgrant Fleet's effect in general to be very statisfying.



And really, 17 million skilled techs/engineers could have been a huge asset if helped instead of snubbed.

So the decision of three people (not even the current three, it was  generations ago) warrants ruining the economies of countless planets by a third party knowing what they are doing is wrong? Even when there is a wide galaxy with less than 1% explored let alone used?

Gotcha, the Quarians are evil bastards.The geth are looking better now.

Yes, but the other 99% is unexplored and unused because it's outside the Relay Network... It could litterally take hundreds of years to reach them even going at FTL... So what do you think they should do to mend the problem?

Also the mistake the Quarians made, that made sure they lost their planets was also a long time ago (roughly 10 generations)... Does that warrant preventing the current Quarians from settling down on a planet that was second tier, unclaimed and outside council jurisdiction? If the Quarians had been allowed to settle back then, they would not be bothering anyone now... ;P

The three current council members aren't directly responsible, but still they don't seem to be working hard at mending the problem... If the Migrant Fleet is such a big problem for the council or the corporations someone should find a solution, one way or the other, and accept the consequences of taking harsh decisions, not complain and then do nothing...

It's also worth noting that the same corporations that publicly complain the Quarians wreck their economy, secretly hire Quarians so they can have experienced techs and claim the right to underpay them...

Not saying the Quarians are legitimated to do whatever they want, but what else should they do? Go extinct? The geth look better since they have entire systems to extract resources (and they don't even use most of the planets) and no one bothers them there since everyone is afraid of them...

Just my opinion anyway...

[DoNotIngest]

Nashiktal wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Considering the Council's past innaction and threats, I find the MIgrant Fleet's effect in general to be very statisfying.



And really, 17 million skilled techs/engineers could have been a huge asset if helped instead of snubbed.

So the decision of three people (not even the current three, it was  generations ago) warrants ruining the economies of countless planets by a third party knowing what they are doing is wrong? Even when there is a wide galaxy with less than 1% explored let alone used?

Gotcha, the Quarians are evil bastards.The geth are looking better now.

I think you're BSing?  Anyways, in case you aren't...


Yes, I think three people who were elected by their billions (or trillions) of racial members to do what they, collectively, desire should have *ahem* reaper-cussions (sorry, I just can't use the real word anymore) for their ridiculously stupid actions. Yes, the Quarians were responsible for creating the Geth, and so for their own trouble; However, if a Salarian research facility unleashed an accidental plague that was spreading through the Salarian colonies, do you honestly believe the Council wouldn't act? They allowed Genocide, and nothing less; That a few Quarians escaped is pure luck on their part.

To add to this pure uglieness, when the Quarians try to settle a planet *outside* of Council space, they threaten to commit Genocide *THEMSELVES*, give them days to move out, and give the planet to the Elcor for Political Cookies.


Yeah, I think stripping untapped resources from various systems on their eternal exile isn't nearly enough of an "annoyance" for the Council. Sadly, we probably won't be presented with an option to spite the Council... Maybe.

[S.A.K]

I am very sure we can help quarians take back their planet in ME3. If the council tries to stop Shepard I am gonna let the Reapers have the council

[jamesp81]

HellBovine wrote...

Personally I think asari brain wash people to make them seem more similar than they really are, why all those guys at the Illium bachelor party think they look like their own species.

I very much doubt it.  If the Asari were projecting a vision into other's minds, it would hope us as long as it took for someone to snap a photograph of one.

[AngelicMachinery]

jamesp81 wrote...

HellBovine wrote...

Personally I think asari brain wash people to make them seem more similar than they really are, why all those guys at the Illium bachelor party think they look like their own species.

I very much doubt it.  If the Asari were projecting a vision into other's minds, it would hope us as long as it took for someone to snap a photograph of one.

If the Asari brainwash people to look like their prefered type of partner why don't straight females see a male asari?  Why doesn't the image dissapear upon death leaving some sort of cthonic tentacle monster in it's place?  What if your into Cthonic tentacle monsters do they look like Hanar?

[jamesp81]

78stonewobble wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Cam-Tal wrote...

How old is Tali in the game anyway? I would assume about early 20's seeing as she was on her pilgrimage in the first ME


My shep looks around 40, so it's a weird relationship  

In ME2 Tali is 24 and Shepard 31, nothing excessive.

Great news ... Can finally drop the slightly icky paedo feeling I was running around with. ...

In ME1 she'd have been 22 and Shepard 29.  I don't see that that's icky.  She's still within the half + 7 rule, after all.

Besides, she was already flying around the galaxy making deals with the shadow broker, spying on Saren, blowing up Geth, and taking out assassins.  She was in no sense a child.

[AngelicMachinery]

jamesp81 wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Cam-Tal wrote...

How old is Tali in the game anyway? I would assume about early 20's seeing as she was on her pilgrimage in the first ME


My shep looks around 40, so it's a weird relationship  

In ME2 Tali is 24 and Shepard 31, nothing excessive.

Great news ... Can finally drop the slightly icky paedo feeling I was running around with. ...

In ME1 she'd have been 22 and Shepard 29.  I don't see that that's icky.  She's still within the half + 7 rule, after all.

Besides, she was already flying around the galaxy making deals with the shadow broker, spying on Saren, blowing up Geth, and taking out assassins.  She was in no sense a child.

And yet she's virginal and still holding onto the whole Knight in Shining armor bit...  that girl needs to mature emotionally...

[arne1234]

The council was probably afraid that aiding the Quarians would cause a war with the Geth. A war they couldn't win. Afther that they found a way to ignore the problem

[Collider]

Criticizing her for being a virgin - really? And she's a quarian. She can't go around having casual sex.

Tali's romance in the most conditional in the series. You need to meet the most prerequisites in order to romance her. Unlike some other characters, you need to do more than just talk to them or do their loyalty mission to get their romance.

I actually found Tali the most emotionally mature female love interest, easily.
Side with Jack and talk to Miranda. That says everything about Miranda.
Jack has the maturity of a rebellious teenager. I don't blame her considering her childhood, but that's what she is.
Liara feels like a doormat in ME1. It gets better in ME2, though, but she's still seemingly attached to Shepard no matter what you do.
Ashley's a closer contender, but she lets what happened to her grandfather color her perception of politics and aliens far too much.

I don't mean to bash any characters or offend anyone who is a fan of them. Just my opinion.

Modifié par Collider, 20 juin 2011 - 06:45 .

[arne1234]

Liara is perhaps the most odd compagnion, she claims to be very young, but is a expert on prothean technology, she's also a heavy weight in the broker worlds on a planet known for it's contracts making her a legal expert and more. She's also the shadow broker and can keep her own versus a specter and assasins meaning she's a expert in martial arts as well... Somehow the boy's at bioware must really love her because they went a bid overboard with her

[AngelicMachinery]

Collider wrote...

Criticizing her for being a virgin - really? And she's a quarian. She can't go around having casual sex.

Tali's romance in the most conditional in the series. You need to meet the most prerequisites in order to romance her. Unlike some other characters, you need to do more than just talk to them or do their loyalty mission to get their romance.

I actually found Tali the most emotionally mature female love interest, easily.
Side with Jack and talk to Miranda. That says everything about Miranda.
Jack has the maturity of a rebellious teenager. I don't blame her considering her childhood, but that's what she is.
Liara feels like a doormat in ME1. It gets better in ME2, though, but she's still seemingly attached to Shepard no matter what you do.
Ashley's a closer contender, but she lets what happened to her grandfather color her perception of politics and aliens far too much.

I don't mean to bash any characters or offend anyone who is a fan of them. Just my opinion.

I just find it a tad laughable that a girl who is as old as her and "Mature"  still needs a man to save her.  As for the virgin thing it just screams BS to me it's meant to stroke egos and all that jazz.  Of the female love interests Ashley is probably the most mature,   though,  Jack and Liara do get a pass for not exactly being characters that understand social structure.  

Tali on the other hand grew up as essentially a politicians daughter she led a pretty normal life you know outside of that suit. 

I truthfully think they went way to far with the idol worship...  they turned a relatively strong female into just another girl who needed a pair of big strong arms.