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Modifié par Tom80, 28 mai 2012 - 06:25 .

[MegaBadExample]

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

using behind scene doesn't count your using headcannon now. Where using what's seen in game.

Stuff happens behind the scenes all the time in ME3 - like Ashley getting drunk with Vega for example.

[exelsis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...
using behind scene doesn't count your using headcannon now. Where using what's seen in game.

Stuff happens behind the scenes all the time in ME3 - like Ashley getting drunk with Vega for example.

Headcanon is often superior to canon. Like every headcanon concerning the ending.

And starting the talimane in ME1.

Modifié par exelsis, 28 mai 2012 - 06:09 .

[MegaBadExample]

exelsis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...
using behind scene doesn't count your using headcannon now. Where using what's seen in game.

Stuff happens behind the scenes all the time in ME3 - like Ashley getting drunk with Vega for example.

Headcanon is often superior to canon. Like every headcanon concerning the ending.

And starting the talimane in ME1.

Isn't Tali just a kid in ME1?  Guess we all have our reasons.
Anyway, out of "10" how would you rate Tali in ME1, ME2 and ME3? That's what I wanted to ask.

[exelsis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

exelsis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...
using behind scene doesn't count your using headcannon now. Where using what's seen in game.

Stuff happens behind the scenes all the time in ME3 - like Ashley getting drunk with Vega for example.

Headcanon is often superior to canon. Like every headcanon concerning the ending.

And starting the talimane in ME1.

Isn't Tali just a kid in ME1?  Guess we all have our reasons.
Anyway, out of "10" how would you rate Tali in ME1, ME2 and ME3? That's what I wanted to ask.

tali is 21/22 in ME1. I'd give tali a 100/10 throughout the series.

My headcanon: sleeping with tali after the battle of the citadel.

[Edolix]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Isn't Tali just a kid in ME1?  Guess we all have our reasons.
Anyway, out of "10" how would you rate Tali in ME1, ME2 and ME3? That's what I wanted to ask.

I believe Tali is 22 in ME1 =P

EDIT: Damn, ninja'd.

Modifié par Edolix, 28 mai 2012 - 06:16 .

[MegaBadExample]

exelsis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

exelsis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...
using behind scene doesn't count your using headcannon now. Where using what's seen in game.

Stuff happens behind the scenes all the time in ME3 - like Ashley getting drunk with Vega for example.

Headcanon is often superior to canon. Like every headcanon concerning the ending.

And starting the talimane in ME1.

Isn't Tali just a kid in ME1?  Guess we all have our reasons.
Anyway, out of "10" how would you rate Tali in ME1, ME2 and ME3? That's what I wanted to ask.

tali is 21/22 in ME1. I'd give tali a 100/10 throughout the series.

My headcanon: sleeping with tali after the battle of the citadel.

I love hearing people's headcanons.

So what motivated your Shepard into sleeping with Tali when it could possibly endanger her life at such a young age? What did he see in Tali... and please guys don't say "hips" I know how you work.

[Deoku]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Deoku wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

I hated the whole Tali and Garrus thing its not even funny. that whole crap force. Garrus being use like chump anyway. while Tali actually love Shepard.

That's jealously talking.

Not really, Garrus was never all that "kind" to Tali if you heard some of the things he said in ME1, and they never talked in ME2 except for the "standard" mission dialogue every squad member had.  The one unique dialogue they had on the Citadel was back to him pissing her off.  Dialogue from other characters including Liara in LotSB mentions her interest in Shep but never Garrus as does the Shadowbroker files.  Then suddenly in ME3 they are best buds and flirting up a storm. lol  Kal'Reegar had more chemistry in a couple of scenes than Garrus had with her throughout most of the trilogy.  The part about him being used is accurate too, she tells Garrus and you herself "He's just a fling".   

Tali and Garrus' relationship isn’t anymore forced than Tali and Shepard's, IMO.

A lot happened behind the scenes that we don't know about. But Tali and Garrus have known each other for years, they've got a history, and they trust each other with their lives. We hear some of the build up in ME3. It's not that different from Ken and Gabby’s relationship, really.

As for Tali saying "It's just a fling." she's clearly joking. Shepard says "I'm happy for you both." and they thank him for the approval, and then Garrus says, "I'll be nice to have something to come back to." And Tali doesn't object at all. So it's more than a fling to them, and it should be since they're old buddies.

There's too many other characters and even less important ones that show interest in loving others to believe the behind the scenes thing.  Feron's interest in Liara, Kasumi's interest in Jacob, Jacob and Miranda's past relationship, Anderson and Sanders (though theirs is abit unique since it was fleshed out in novel form).  The two characters who have been in all three games with decent sized roles like Tali and Garrus in this series just happen to get their interest in eachother left out?! pfft.. 

Years together being unkind or trollish to the other person doesn't equal love or buddies.  At least in Shepard and Tali's case they made it more plausible by having iTali have a crush she was afraid to express, and then Shepard spent ME2 turning it into love through various acts.  Had Shepard just jumped right in there like Garrus did that would be silly. And  I still think it's silly that a Shepard who was a jerk to Tali/Liara would be able to romance either one. 

Of course Tali didn't object because she said "Something to come back to?! Vahkaran this is just a fling im using you for your body"  after Garrus said that to which he replied "She's mean but he's ok with that".  Why would you object when you are admitting to something.

Modifié par Deoku, 28 mai 2012 - 06:22 .

[Demethyst]

[exelsis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

exelsis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...
Isn't Tali just a kid in ME1?  Guess we all have our reasons.
Anyway, out of "10" how would you rate Tali in ME1, ME2 and ME3? That's what I wanted to ask.

tali is 21/22 in ME1. I'd give tali a 100/10 throughout the series.
My headcanon: sleeping with tali after the battle of the citadel.

I love hearing people's headcanons.
So what motivated your Shepard into sleeping with Tali when it could possibly endanger her life at such a young age? What did he see in Tali... and please guys don't say "hips" I know how you work.

Why would it endanger her life? It wasn't a euphamism.

Well, first I saw the hips, backlit by an explosion, then I saw the suit, then I saw dem eyes and was trapped. From then on, it was all about the talimance. Explore ALL the dialogue options!

Modifié par exelsis, 28 mai 2012 - 06:23 .

[Tom80]

"In a moment they going to serve refreshments."

Who knows where It is from ?
^^

[MegaBadExample]

Deoku wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Deoku wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

I hated the whole Tali and Garrus thing its not even funny. that whole crap force. Garrus being use like chump anyway. while Tali actually love Shepard.

That's jealously talking.

Not really, Garrus was never all that "kind" to Tali if you heard some of the things he said in ME1, and they never talked in ME2 except for the "standard" mission dialogue every squad member had.  The one unique dialogue they had on the Citadel was back to him pissing her off.  Dialogue from other characters including Liara in LotSB mentions her interest in Shep but never Garrus as does the Shadowbroker files.  Then suddenly in ME3 they are best buds and flirting up a storm. lol  Kal'Reegar had more chemistry in a couple of scenes than Garrus had with her throughout most of the trilogy.  The part about him being used is accurate too, she tells Garrus and you herself "He's just a fling".   

Tali and Garrus' relationship isn’t anymore forced than Tali and Shepard's, IMO.

A lot happened behind the scenes that we don't know about. But Tali and Garrus have known each other for years, they've got a history, and they trust each other with their lives. We hear some of the build up in ME3. It's not that different from Ken and Gabby’s relationship, really.

As for Tali saying "It's just a fling." she's clearly joking. Shepard says "I'm happy for you both." and they thank him for the approval, and then Garrus says, "I'll be nice to have something to come back to." And Tali doesn't object at all. So it's more than a fling to them, and it should be since they're old buddies.

There's too many other characters and even less important ones that show interest in loving others to believe the behind the scenes thing.  Feron's interest in Liara, Kasumi's interest in Jacob, Jacob and Miranda's past relationship, Anderson and Sanders (though theirs is abit unique since it was fleshed out in novel form).  The two characters who have been in all three games with decent sized roles like Tali and Garrus in this series just happen to get their interest in eachother left out?! pfft.. 

Years together being unkind or trollish to the other person doesn't equal love or buddies.  At least in Shepard and Tali's case they made it more plausible by having iTali have a crush she was afraid to express, and then Shepard spent ME2 turning it into love through various acts.  Had Shepard just jumped right in there like Garrus did that would be silly. And  I still think it's silly that a Shepard who was a jerk to Tali/Liara would be able to romance either one. 

Of course Tali didn't object because she said "Something to come back to?! Vahkaran this is just a fling im using you for your body"  after Garrus said that to which he replied "She's mean but he's ok with that".  Why would you object when you are admitting to something.

Isn't that why I said their relationship is like Ken and Gabby's? They both only realize now, that they've come to care for each other as more, it happens all the time!
Sorry, but I'm getting the feeling that some of ya'll are a bit jealous lol. If you're not romancing Tali, what does it matter who she sleeps with?

Yes, that's true Garrus says, "She's mean but he's okay with that." But you can tell they're obviously joking. As I said before, after that "mean" line from Garrus, Shepard says "I'm happy for you both." and they thank him for the approval, and then Garrus says, "I'll be nice to have something to come back to." And Tali doesn't object at all. So it's more than a fling to them. I honestly don't get what your problem is with it. I listened to their banter and I knew they were gonna end up together. They have a really good chemistry in ME3. Better than anyone else.

[MegaBadExample]

exelsis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

exelsis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...
Isn't Tali just a kid in ME1?  Guess we all have our reasons.
Anyway, out of "10" how would you rate Tali in ME1, ME2 and ME3? That's what I wanted to ask.

tali is 21/22 in ME1. I'd give tali a 100/10 throughout the series.
My headcanon: sleeping with tali after the battle of the citadel.

I love hearing people's headcanons.
So what motivated your Shepard into sleeping with Tali when it could possibly endanger her life at such a young age? What did he see in Tali... and please guys don't say "hips" I know how you work.

Why would it endanger her life? It wasn't a euphamism.

Well, first I saw the hips, backlit by an explosion, then I saw the suit, then I saw dem eyes and was trapped. From then on, it was all about the talimance. Explore ALL the dialogue options!

Didn't Shepard ask if she could die in ME2 if they were together? It's a big risk at first, and Tali is young. Wouldn't it be more caring/loving of Shepard just to cuddle with her instead doing the deadly sexy?

So there’s no other reason but physical attraction? Or the cuteness of her accent?

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 28 mai 2012 - 06:33 .

[Deoku]

"..really good chemistry in ME3.." This part of what you said simplifies the issue some of us have with it; it's all cramed into ME3. I'm not sure what the jealous thing is you're talking about because I see nothing to be jealous of, my Shep is with Tali. My issue is with how this feels shoehorned or as another poster here said "It seemed like they tried to squeeze in 3 games worth of friendship and romance into this to make it work." Regardless if I romanced Tali or not wouldn't change that, just as some players including yourself have aspects of the story you may not agree with.

[MegaBadExample]

Deoku wrote...

"..really good chemistry in ME3.." This part of what you said simplifies the issue some of us have with it; it's all cramed into ME3. I'm not sure what the jealous thing is you're talking about because I see nothing to be jealous of, my Shep is with Tali. My issue is with how this feels shoehorned or as another poster here said "It seemed like they tried to squeeze in 3 games worth of friendship and romance into this to make it work." Regardless if I romanced Tali or not wouldn't change that, just as some players including yourself have aspects of the story you may not agree with.

Didn't Tali and Shepard’s relationship get crammed in to ME2 the same way? Nothing of note happened between them in ME1, and in ME2 it comes out of nowhere. Bioware gave Tali magic injections and antibiotics that could enable her to live outside her suit and have sex with a different species? That's not ridiculous to you? But somehow Tali being with someone else other than Shepard is?

All I'm saying, is that Tali and Garrus' relationship works just FINE for me. They're actually my favourite couple out of everyone.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 28 mai 2012 - 06:54 .

[Shajar]

@Deoku

This is just BW way to show you are doing it wrong, romance Liara and you doing it right. BW is being troll for Tali/Garrus mancers imo. Anyway it does not look like real love, just a final stress release before final battle imo 

Modifié par Shajar, 28 mai 2012 - 07:00 .

[Tom80]

Please don't ignore me !

[darthrevaninlight]

Deoku wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

I hated the whole Tali and Garrus thing its not even funny. that whole crap force. Garrus being use like chump anyway. while Tali actually love Shepard.

That's jealously talking.

Not really, Garrus was never all that "kind" to Tali if you heard some of the things he said in ME1, and they never talked in ME2 except for the "standard" mission dialogue every squad member had.  The one unique dialogue they had on the Citadel was back to him pissing her off.  Dialogue from other characters including Liara in LotSB mentions her interest in Shep but never Garrus as does the Shadowbroker files.  Then suddenly in ME3 they are best buds and flirting up a storm. lol  Kal'Reegar had more chemistry in a couple of scenes than Garrus had with her throughout most of the trilogy.  The part about him being used is accurate too, she tells Garrus and you herself "He's just a fling".   

BUT SEE
that's what bothers me the most

QUARIANS DONT AND CANT HAVE FLINGS

TALI ESPECIALLY DOESNT HAVE FLINGS

IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! AND IS WAY OUT OF CHARACTER!!!

[Olueq]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Deoku wrote...

"..really good chemistry in ME3.." This part of what you said simplifies the issue some of us have with it; it's all cramed into ME3. I'm not sure what the jealous thing is you're talking about because I see nothing to be jealous of, my Shep is with Tali. My issue is with how this feels shoehorned or as another poster here said "It seemed like they tried to squeeze in 3 games worth of friendship and romance into this to make it work." Regardless if I romanced Tali or not wouldn't change that, just as some players including yourself have aspects of the story you may not agree with.

Didn't Tali and Shepard’s relationship get crammed in to ME2 the same way? Nothing of note happened between them in ME1, and in ME2 it comes out of nowhere. Bioware gave Tali magic injections and antibiotics that could enable her to live outside her suit and have sex with a different species? That's not ridiculous to you? But somehow Tali being with someone else other than Shepard is?

All I'm saying, is that Tali and Garrus' relationship works just FINE for me. They're actually my favourite couple out of everyone.

If you know anything about Biology you would know how stupid you are for saying that.

[MegaBadExample]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

Deoku wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath wrote...

I hated the whole Tali and Garrus thing its not even funny. that whole crap force. Garrus being use like chump anyway. while Tali actually love Shepard.

That's jealously talking.

Not really, Garrus was never all that "kind" to Tali if you heard some of the things he said in ME1, and they never talked in ME2 except for the "standard" mission dialogue every squad member had.  The one unique dialogue they had on the Citadel was back to him pissing her off.  Dialogue from other characters including Liara in LotSB mentions her interest in Shep but never Garrus as does the Shadowbroker files.  Then suddenly in ME3 they are best buds and flirting up a storm. lol  Kal'Reegar had more chemistry in a couple of scenes than Garrus had with her throughout most of the trilogy.  The part about him being used is accurate too, she tells Garrus and you herself "He's just a fling".   

BUT SEE
that's what bothers me the most

QUARIANS DONT AND CANT HAVE FLINGS

TALI ESPECIALLY DOESNT HAVE FLINGS

IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! AND IS WAY OUT OF CHARACTER!!!

Why should it bother you? Quarians don't have flings? Okay, more proof.

Tali is obviously joking about the "fling" thing guys. Seriously... it's clear as day. Garrus and her are having a good time and joking around.

It's not out of character. I was expecting those two to eventually hook up.

[MegaBadExample]

Olueq wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Deoku wrote...

"..really good chemistry in ME3.." This part of what you said simplifies the issue some of us have with it; it's all cramed into ME3. I'm not sure what the jealous thing is you're talking about because I see nothing to be jealous of, my Shep is with Tali. My issue is with how this feels shoehorned or as another poster here said "It seemed like they tried to squeeze in 3 games worth of friendship and romance into this to make it work." Regardless if I romanced Tali or not wouldn't change that, just as some players including yourself have aspects of the story you may not agree with.

Didn't Tali and Shepard’s relationship get crammed in to ME2 the same way? Nothing of note happened between them in ME1, and in ME2 it comes out of nowhere. Bioware gave Tali magic injections and antibiotics that could enable her to live outside her suit and have sex with a different species? That's not ridiculous to you? But somehow Tali being with someone else other than Shepard is?

All I'm saying, is that Tali and Garrus' relationship works just FINE for me. They're actually my favourite couple out of everyone.

If you know anything about Biology you would know how stupid you are for saying that.

Please explain.

[Deoku]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Deoku wrote...

"..really good chemistry in ME3.." This part of what you said simplifies the issue some of us have with it; it's all cramed into ME3. I'm not sure what the jealous thing is you're talking about because I see nothing to be jealous of, my Shep is with Tali. My issue is with how this feels shoehorned or as another poster here said "It seemed like they tried to squeeze in 3 games worth of friendship and romance into this to make it work." Regardless if I romanced Tali or not wouldn't change that, just as some players including yourself have aspects of the story you may not agree with.

Didn't Tali and Shepard’s relationship get crammed in to ME2 the same way? Nothing of note happened between them in ME1, and in ME2 it comes out of nowhere. Bioware gave Tali magic injections and antibiotics that could enable her to live outside her suit and have sex with a different species? That's not ridiculous to you? But somehow Tali being with someone else other than Shepard is?

All I'm saying, is that Tali and Garrus' relationship works just FINE for me. They're actually my favourite couple out of everyone.

And it's fine that it works for you. You asked why some of us have an issue with it so I explained it to you.  

Amazing how you overlook things that I already answered. lol  I've said before I would have an issue with Tali/Shep, but they at least made it more plausible than what happened with Garrus; and at least they did it sooner than waiting for the third game.   Secondly I also said I do have a prob with a Shep that was a total jerk to a character then being able to romance them is silly, unless the character into that sort of thing like Jack. 

As for the injections thing, they didn't give her magic injections if you talked to Mordin he  told you she was in his lab gathering the things she needed and he had spoken with her, and she mentioned doing research to see what could be done so that she would at least not die from the encounter with Shepard. It doesn't help her live outside the suit it  just boost her immune system long enough to do what they wanted to do in a short time; and hopefully with minor backlash.  If it was suddenly a cure all for her; yeah I'd think that was incredibly stupid.  lmao

Modifié par Deoku, 28 mai 2012 - 07:23 .

[Olueq]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Olueq wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Deoku wrote...

"..really good chemistry in ME3.." This part of what you said simplifies the issue some of us have with it; it's all cramed into ME3. I'm not sure what the jealous thing is you're talking about because I see nothing to be jealous of, my Shep is with Tali. My issue is with how this feels shoehorned or as another poster here said "It seemed like they tried to squeeze in 3 games worth of friendship and romance into this to make it work." Regardless if I romanced Tali or not wouldn't change that, just as some players including yourself have aspects of the story you may not agree with.

Didn't Tali and Shepard’s relationship get crammed in to ME2 the same way? Nothing of note happened between them in ME1, and in ME2 it comes out of nowhere. Bioware gave Tali magic injections and antibiotics that could enable her to live outside her suit and have sex with a different species? That's not ridiculous to you? But somehow Tali being with someone else other than Shepard is?

All I'm saying, is that Tali and Garrus' relationship works just FINE for me. They're actually my favourite couple out of everyone.

If you know anything about Biology you would know how stupid you are for saying that.

Please explain.

Being dextro based, theres no reason she cant simply weaken her immune system and be with shepard. The only risk then would be exposure to dextro germs, which 1. would be unliekly with shepard, and 2. would bge unlikely if they did ome sort of sterilization in the room. Theres NO magic needed for any quarian to be with a human.

[darthrevaninlight]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Isn't that why I said their relationship is like Ken and Gabby's? They both only realize now, that they've come to care for each other as more, it happens all the time!
Sorry, but I'm getting the feeling that some of ya'll are a bit jealous lol. If you're not romancing Tali, what does it matter who she sleeps with?

Yes, that's true Garrus says, "She's mean but he's okay with that." But you can tell they're obviously joking. As I said before, after that "mean" line from Garrus, Shepard says "I'm happy for you both." and they thank him for the approval, and then Garrus says, "I'll be nice to have something to come back to." And Tali doesn't object at all. So it's more than a fling to them. I honestly don't get what your problem is with it. I listened to their banter and I knew they were gonna end up together. They have a really good chemistry in ME3. Better than anyone else.

1. Ken and Gabby were obviously into each other and got along in a chummy way. Tali and Garrus did not. They were closer to consistently having sibling squabbles and quarrels.

2. It only matters in the essence of retaining Tali's character throughout every angle of the story. If Bioware, renown for their writing, makes an ameteur mistake in mis-writing a character, it should be brought to light and looked upon badly so that bioware will not make the same mistake.

3. Who knows. Tali and Garrus you can speculate on, but the writing and the execution of the relationship was terrible. I do think, should Tali not get together with Shepard, it would be fitting for her to be with another quarian. If shes with Garrus, there should be more of a relational growth than what was given. I've read fanfiction that was better.

4. Tali and Shepard  make the best couple. It was beautifully done. And not awkward in the least. In ME1 they got along very well, and Tali's character had growth between the two games which allowed for a relationship. Tali is not a static character, and neither is Garrus. The relationship between the two of them, however, was largely retained between the first two games and there is no transition into this new relationship of buddy-buddy in the third. I dislike the rough writing. And the resulting out-of-character behaviour.

[Olueq]

I also dont recall her ever being able to live outsider her suit. she mentions that the geth might be able to make them adapt faster so they can live on rannoch but thats it there.