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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

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I just thought of something... Tali said that the Geth were helping them with their immune systems so they could take their suits off ( Assuming you made peace ). But in her picture to you shes taking her suit off. Dafuq?


She also took her suit off to sleep with shepard. They risk sickness taking it off *anywhere*. The geth were simulating viruses to improve the immune systems of Quarian volunteers in order to allow them to *safely* take their suits off.

It was meant to be a calculated risk she took because she wanted to A.) See her planet without the obstacle of her suit, and B.) Give something to Shepard to keep in mind since she'll still be in her suit most of the time.

So, if you didn't have a problem with her sleeping with Shepard then I'm not sure why your suspension of disbelief is failing now.


Notice that Rann dosn't take off her mask if tali..... :mellow:

So, sleeping and (ok mature discussion, nothing too dirty)  having sexual intercorse with Shepard would have permanantly bolstered her immune system.  Although being in a sealed invironment with... Shepard... is very diffrent than the atmosphere of rannoch, it probably enabled her to survive without her suit for a few hours with only minor risk.:D

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Kerrigan, that is just typical browngreen alien without imagination. Could be "Alien" if we go in that basic way 

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The amount of mental gymnastics you must go through to prove you're "right" in an arguement in order to "win" it every time, often supplying contradictory, twisted or outright false information is truly astounding. It's been interesting studying you, to say the least.

 

Yeah, i forgot what that "thing" was called, but there was pretty good thing on wikipedia about it and it when happens.
But everyone is right on their opinions and there should be no bashing about different opinions.

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Old classic alien, many see aliens like this. But keep in mind this is just one way to view them. Many of "aliens" look like human actually, starwars, star trek etc.... All classics. It works well and its not overdone
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You go too off now, guys !
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Yeah, more Tali

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Didn't Shepard already see Tali's face though?


Yep, he sure has.

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Yeah the way Shepard reacts in ME2, its was pretty safe to assume Tali looked VERY human.

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was going to say something productive but looking at how this thread is going im not exactly sure what to say. Wish the photoshop bw pulled didn't have such sharp angular cheekbones. not sure how those fit the general shape you see through the mask

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Shajar wrote...

 

Old classic alien, many see aliens like this. But keep in mind this is just one way to view them. Many of "aliens" look like human actually, starwars, star trek etc.... All classics. It works well and its not overdone
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Omg it's the rachni queen! <_<

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More ME3 perspective should be coming soon.

Next chapter featuring Tali...in a bit of a pickle.

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Apathy1989 wrote...


Yeah the way Shepard reacts in ME2, its was pretty safe to assume Tali looked VERY human.


Yeah, he looked happy and relaxed instead of shocked/similar reaction. My Shepard would have jumped to air if there would have been something strange and horrible =]

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I've been noticing this double standard ever since people started making threads about Tali being "too human." 

Let's get a few things straight: Tali being essentially a human is one's opinion, not fact. It's an opinion that is based on one's own set of criteria on what it means for a humanoid organism to be "alien". It's subjective, and most certainly depends on personal preferences. You cannot deny that one's headcanon of Tali is shaped on said preferences; this is much more complicated than simply liking or disliking "aliens."

So, here's my opinion about all this.

If you look at the photo and conclude that Tali is nothing but a human with white eyes and "sharpie markings" on her body, this is an opinion based on your own perception. I find this perception to be distorted. 

Tali's final design is a combination of several preliminary face designs that can be seen in the Mass Effect concept art. She has a human face for a foundation, an "omega" shaped birthmark on her forehead, white irises with gray sclera, and additional birthmarks on her neck and chest (or possible cybernetic augmentation). Her eyes are set wide apart and angled, and she has a unique nose that is not characteristic of humans. Then, of course, we have her elongated earlobes. As my criteria for what makes a human "human" are obviously different, I cannot conclude that Tali's design is as simple as you describe.

Would I say that Tali looks similar to a human? Yes, and I expected this. However, to argue that Tali looks "too human," and needs a better face that is more "alien"... I'm noticing contradictions.

Tali's features: unique eye and nose structure, ears, long neck, swept-back shoulders, narrow waist, curved shins, less digits, etc. You cannot dismiss these features in your claim that Tali is essentially a human while simultaneously posting an image of a human female face with glowing eyes, interesting complexion, and tendrils for hair as your headcanon. Unless there is more to your headcanon that you haven't already told us (what was it again, silver irises, blue sclera, toned body on the level of a fitness model, and sharp incisors), I fail to see how Kerrigan Tali is a significant improvement over what we have. 

Same goes for Tali in that little "Tali Deserves a Better Face" signature. Once again, human female face for a foundation, white irises and sclera, cybernetic augmentation on cheeks, and purple skin. So if Tali needs a better face because she's "too human," how are these designs any better?

No, Tali does not need a better face in my opinion. What Miss vas Normandy could use is a 3D render, in-game, of the face she already has. Good can come from that design if you allow yourself to imagine it from an entirely new, positive perspective. Certainly not a perspective of deception and laziness that one tends to associate with the photoshop. 

As for Tali needing to be more alien. Well, again, back to those criteria. I find the subtleties in the canon design (particularly the nose and eye structure) to be sufficiently alien and in-tune with what we already know of Tali. Tali doesn't need frills, ridges, flanges, flaps, starfishes, Ross Perot ears, etc. to be "more alien." A design of Tali with more of these features does not necessarily make it "better." I've noticed plenty of artists that tend to go overboard with these features in reaction to the photo, ultimately producing an alien that is wearing Tali's suit, and not producing Tali. What the real challenge would be is not to mindlessly add such features just for the sake of doing so. The challenge would be add features that are not characteristic of humans with subtlety, while simultaneously adhering to Tali's essence. I can think of several artists (Revan, in particular) that can do just that.

Not like anyone read this far anyway, but I felt the need to get some things off my chest.

tl;dr: I respect your opinion if you want to say that Tali is "too human," and claim that her face needs a redesign. However, don't contradict yourselves by stating this opinion while supporting the use of another Tali which is just as human as the original. Unless you just happen to dislike anything that resembles canon Tali, perhaps you guys need to rethink what you truly want.

Personally, I don't think Tali needs a new face. While I'm disappointed in the poor depiction of her anatomy in the photoshop, I'm happy with the canon design and would rather see that face on a 3D model in-game. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, as my criteria for what constitutes a human and alien are different from yours. I don't see the need in adding "alien" features to Tali with no thought or purpose other than to fulfill some requirement to make Tali different from what we have, especially when the final product is no longer a representation of Tali. Again, all in my opinion.

Good day.

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Why does exilsis complain about too human Tali and then post picture of Kerrigan. Kerrigan is very human too? I do not understand his argument if such obvious contradiction.

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Messier87 wrote...

I've been noticing this double standard ever since people started making threads about Tali being "too human." 

Let's get a few things straight: Tali being essentially a human is one's opinion, not fact. It's an opinion that is based on one's own set of criteria on what it means for a humanoid organism to be "alien". It's subjective, and most certainly depends on personal preferences. You cannot deny that one's headcanon of Tali is shaped on said preferences; this is much more complicated than simply liking or disliking "aliens."

So, here's my opinion about all this.

If you look at the photo and conclude that Tali is nothing but a human with white eyes and "sharpie markings" on her body, this is an opinion based on your own perception. I find this perception to be distorted. 

Tali's final design is a combination of several priliminary face designs that can be seen in the Mass Effect concept art. She has a human face for a foundation, an "omega" shaped birthmark on her forehead, white irises with gray sclera, and additional birthmarks on her neck and chest (or possible cybernetic augmentation). Her eyes are set wide apart and angled, and she has a unique nose that is not characteristic of humans. Then, of course, we have her eloganted earlobes. As my criteria for what makes a human "human" are obviously different, I cannot conclude that Tali's design is as simple as you describe.

Would I say that Tali looks similar to a human? Yes, and I expected this. However, to argue that Tali looks "too human," and needs a better face that is more "alien"... I'm noticing contradictions.

Tali's features: unique eye and nose structure, ears, long neck, swept-back shoulders, narrow waist, curved shins, less digits, etc. You cannot dismiss these features in your claim that Tali is essentially a human while simultaneously posting an image of a human female face with glowing eyes, interesting complexion, and tendrils for hair as your headcanon. Unless there is more to your headcanon that you haven't already told us (what was it again, silver irises, blue sclera, toned body on the level of a fitness model, and sharp incisors), I fail to see how Kerrigan Tali is a significant improvement over what we have. 

Same goes for Tali in that little "Tali Deserves a Better Face" signature. Once again, human female face for a foundation, white irises and sclera, cybernetic augmentation on cheeks, and purple skin. So if Tali needs a better face because she's "too human," how are these designs any better?

No, Tali does not need a better face in my opinion. What Miss vas Normandy could use is a 3D render, in-game, of the face she already has. Good can come from that design if you allow yourself to imagine it from an entirely new, positive perspective. Certainly not a perspective of deception and laziness that one tends to associate with the photoshop. 

As for Tali needing to be more alien. Well, again, back to those criteria. I find the subtleties in the canon design (particularly the nose and eye structure) to be sufficiently alien and in-tune with what we already know of Tali. Tali doesn't need frills, ridges, flanges, flaps, starfishes, Ross Perot ears, etc. to be "more alien." A design of Tali with more of these features does not necessarily make it "better." I've noticed plenty of artists that tend to go overboard with these features in reaction to the photo, ultimately producing an alien that is wearing Tali's suit, and not producing Tali. What the real challenge would be is not to mindlessly add such features just for the sake of doing so. The challenge would be add features that are not characteristic of humans with subtlety, while simultaneously adhering to Tali's essense. I can think of several artists (Revan, in particular) that can do just that.

Not like anyone read this far anyway, but I felt the need to get some things off my chest.

tl;dr: I respect your opinion if you want to say that Tali is "too human," and claim that her face needs a redesign. However, don't contradict yourselves by stating this opinion while supporting the use of another Tali which is just as human as the original. Unless you just happen dislike anything that resembles canon Tali, perhaps you guys need to rethink what you truly want.

Personally, I don't think Tali needs a new face. While I'm disappointed in the poor depiction of her anatomy in the photoshop, I'm happy with the canon design and would rather see that face on a 3D model in-game. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, as my criteria for what constitutes a human and alien are different from yours. I don't see the need in adding "alien" features to Tali with no thought or purpose other than to fulfill some requirement to make Tali different from what we have, especially when the final product is no longer a representation of Tali. Again, all in my opinion.

Good day.


That was impressive "Ace" you pull out. Very much agree with you, i lack social skills to write anything like this even if i want :devil:

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ryder500 wrote...

Why does exilsis complain about too human Tali and then post picture of Kerrigan. Kerrigan is very human too? I do not understand his argument if such obvious contradiction.

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Nice picture, thanks for posting it :wub:

Yep, Kerrigan is human with "zerg infection" :devil:

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Shep doesn't care how human or non-human Tali is, Tali is loved for what's on the the inside.

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Terrorize69 wrote...

Shep doesn't care how human or non-human Tali is, Tali is loved for what's on the the inside.


Agree, Tali has lovely personality and this is the reason i love her :wub:. Never cared how she looks, but ofc it was nice surpirse that she looks pretty too :)

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Terrorize69 wrote...

Dunno if people seen this, but its a epic tribute song :D


Yes, she is very talented. Not exactly my type music and singing but i have watched her other vids earlier and i think she is okay.

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Just recieved my issue of ME Homeworlds #2. I can only advice you to NOT buy it.

The art is, as you all know, terrible. The story is even worse. Its illogical, contains wrong facts, for example the Quarian blood, its too many content and places on just a few pages. It feels rushed. You get to read names Tali never mentioned before. Its horrible.

When it comes to her pilgrimage and how she got hands on the geth-data, I'll stick to the Fanfic by DementedAssassin on DA, which is the best fanfic I've read so far. Its far mroe realistic and better written then this piece of s*** what they call a ME comic.

BW and Dark Horse: This is really not what our favorite character deserves.

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Shajar wrote...

Messier87 wrote...

I've been noticing this double standard ever since people started making threads about Tali being "too human." 

Let's get a few things straight: Tali being essentially a human is one's opinion, not fact. It's an opinion that is based on one's own set of criteria on what it means for a humanoid organism to be "alien". It's subjective, and most certainly depends on personal preferences. You cannot deny that one's headcanon of Tali is shaped on said preferences; this is much more complicated than simply liking or disliking "aliens."

So, here's my opinion about all this.

If you look at the photo and conclude that Tali is nothing but a human with white eyes and "sharpie markings" on her body, this is an opinion based on your own perception. I find this perception to be distorted. 

Tali's final design is a combination of several priliminary face designs that can be seen in the Mass Effect concept art. She has a human face for a foundation, an "omega" shaped birthmark on her forehead, white irises with gray sclera, and additional birthmarks on her neck and chest (or possible cybernetic augmentation). Her eyes are set wide apart and angled, and she has a unique nose that is not characteristic of humans. Then, of course, we have her eloganted earlobes. As my criteria for what makes a human "human" are obviously different, I cannot conclude that Tali's design is as simple as you describe.

Would I say that Tali looks similar to a human? Yes, and I expected this. However, to argue that Tali looks "too human," and needs a better face that is more "alien"... I'm noticing contradictions.

Tali's features: unique eye and nose structure, ears, long neck, swept-back shoulders, narrow waist, curved shins, less digits, etc. You cannot dismiss these features in your claim that Tali is essentially a human while simultaneously posting an image of a human female face with glowing eyes, interesting complexion, and tendrils for hair as your headcanon. Unless there is more to your headcanon that you haven't already told us (what was it again, silver irises, blue sclera, toned body on the level of a fitness model, and sharp incisors), I fail to see how Kerrigan Tali is a significant improvement over what we have. 

Same goes for Tali in that little "Tali Deserves a Better Face" signature. Once again, human female face for a foundation, white irises and sclera, cybernetic augmentation on cheeks, and purple skin. So if Tali needs a better face because she's "too human," how are these designs any better?

No, Tali does not need a better face in my opinion. What Miss vas Normandy could use is a 3D render, in-game, of the face she already has. Good can come from that design if you allow yourself to imagine it from an entirely new, positive perspective. Certainly not a perspective of deception and laziness that one tends to associate with the photoshop. 

As for Tali needing to be more alien. Well, again, back to those criteria. I find the subtleties in the canon design (particularly the nose and eye structure) to be sufficiently alien and in-tune with what we already know of Tali. Tali doesn't need frills, ridges, flanges, flaps, starfishes, Ross Perot ears, etc. to be "more alien." A design of Tali with more of these features does not necessarily make it "better." I've noticed plenty of artists that tend to go overboard with these features in reaction to the photo, ultimately producing an alien that is wearing Tali's suit, and not producing Tali. What the real challenge would be is not to mindlessly add such features just for the sake of doing so. The challenge would be add features that are not characteristic of humans with subtlety, while simultaneously adhering to Tali's essense. I can think of several artists (Revan, in particular) that can do just that.

Not like anyone read this far anyway, but I felt the need to get some things off my chest.

tl;dr: I respect your opinion if you want to say that Tali is "too human," and claim that her face needs a redesign. However, don't contradict yourselves by stating this opinion while supporting the use of another Tali which is just as human as the original. Unless you just happen dislike anything that resembles canon Tali, perhaps you guys need to rethink what you truly want.

Personally, I don't think Tali needs a new face. While I'm disappointed in the poor depiction of her anatomy in the photoshop, I'm happy with the canon design and would rather see that face on a 3D model in-game. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, as my criteria for what constitutes a human and alien are different from yours. I don't see the need in adding "alien" features to Tali with no thought or purpose other than to fulfill some requirement to make Tali different from what we have, especially when the final product is no longer a representation of Tali. Again, all in my opinion.

Good day.


That was impressive "Ace" you pull out. Very much agree with you, i lack social skills to write anything like this even if i want :devil:

I see that I became unclear in some of my posts, because what you arguing against was not my intent.

Tali is, by any reasonable standards, very human. There is no way to get around that. Her suit is too human in structure, what we see of her face through the mask is human, she sounds human and never hints that she looks different than us.

While she is very human, i'm not saying she is too human. That is a matter of opinion, as you say, and while my headcanon is more alien, I'm not attempting to convince everyone that tali should be more alien. It's up for everyone to decide if they like how alien something looks, not how alien it looks. I was unclear on that point.

I don't claim that her face needs a redesign. In essense, I am fine with the canon quarian, even though I don't make it headcanon. What I hate is the reveal, the crap photoshop job, and the general lazyness of the whole thing.

And my headcanon isn't just what you have stated. As my art skills are laughable at best, I am incapable of producing anything that would accurately portray my headcanon, so I just settle for the next best thing: another alien that looks similar. But my headcanon is still quite human, as is every logical idea for how quarians look under the suits. It's just less human than canon. Aliens that you commonly interact with are almost always going to be "star trek" aliens, where noses, colors, and forehead ridges are the main(or only) differences between species.

All I want is a less lazily done star trek alien, and I'll gladly give bioware credit for being genuinely concerned about their product, and walk into the sunset without changing my headcanon.

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Terrorize69 wrote...

Shep doesn't care how human or non-human Tali is, Tali is loved for what's on the the inside.

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Well of course she cares what's on the outside! It's just a lot less important than the inside.

Hot.

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 <3<3<3I love my profile picture, it's Perfect<3<3<3

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Darman wrote...

Just recieved my issue of ME Homeworlds #2. I can only advice you to NOT buy it.

The art is, as you all know, terrible. The story is even worse. Its illogical, contains wrong facts, for example the Quarian blood, its too many content and places on just a few pages. It feels rushed. You get to read names Tali never mentioned before. Its horrible.

When it comes to her pilgrimage and how she got hands on the geth-data, I'll stick to the Fanfic by DementedAssassin on DA, which is the best fanfic I've read so far. Its far mroe realistic and better written then this piece of s*** what they call a ME comic.

BW and Dark Horse: This is really not what our favorite character deserves.


Too late. Got it on the Dark Horse app the day it came out.

Yeah, the art style is far from my tastes. The blood is purple, but honestly I can let that slide. I like the idea that they're giving different artists the opportunity to work, but in the same breath I feel really annoyed that the style completely changes from book to book. The guy who drew this one up is talented, but I think his style is better suited to "funny" comics. Everything drawn in this Homeworld comic felt too soft, not gritty enough for the subject matter of downtrodden space-gypsies who are on the run from assassins that are slowly killing them off. Personally, I thought the guy who did the previous Vega comic would have been a better choice to continue the series.

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Ponei wrote...

 <3<3<3I love my profile picture, it's Perfect<3<3<3


your profile pic indeed is <3 

if thats what you mean

ps. hi ponei :)

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Ponei wrote...

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Indeed!

Just recompleted the Rannoch storyarc again; after how good the rest of it was, they should have gone the extra mile and rendered her face.  That, and have some more dialogue that is relevant to the romance. 

Example:

"It'll be years before we can live without our suits completely, but right now..." Tali removes her visor, *face reveal*.
"...Right now, I have this..." turns to Shepard, smiling, "...and this."  Epic kiss ensues, leaving Admiral Raan to gawk in the background as the scene fades to black.