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[exelsis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Do you have any idea how many concept ideas/art work are drawn up before a character is actually used? Showing concept proves absolutely nothing, its nothing more then brainstorming.

And, as people have already mentioned, you can clearly see a human-like nose behind Talis visor, which cancels out most of those concepts. Try again.

You should realize that this is every quarian face concept made by bioware and released to the public. This page of brainstorms are 100% of all available data on quarian appearance prior to tali being an LI. They are significantly more alien than the ME3 reveal. Also, you can see almost nothing through the visor in ME1. There appears to be a brow and a nose, but that is it.

And to pre-empt you: don't bring up the placeholder. It's a placeholder. You aren't supposed to see it. It would be like trying to prove that the african savannah is actually surrounded by painted plywood stands because one of them fell over while you watched the lion king play.

[Darman]

@exelsis: Is there actually any evidence that Quarians would NOT look like humans before ME3?
Is there any proof that they would've looked alien if BW hadn't changed this in ME3?

I currently just see the little facts we got form literature and the face shape. They both let us assume that Quarians look exactly like BW showed them in ME3. I just don't get your point.

Modifié par Darman, 07 juin 2012 - 05:11 .

[exelsis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Ok lets put it another way, Have you SEEN her look anything BUT Human-like in game or SEEN any mention in canon material that suggests a more alien look?

If you cannot provide proof of this then its pretty clear we can assume she ALWAYS HAS looked Human-like.

I doubt many species go from looking like a Squid to an Elf as they mature.

Have you ever READ anything from early new world colonists that indicated that they were NOT aliens? Yes

Have you ever listened to any of lincoln's speeches where he says that he DIDN'T hunt vampires? Yes

Have you ever found any starbucks that DON'T have their products listed in english? Poor Example, Hell Yes

Anyway, read the above post.

Replys in the quote

My last reply on the matter, untill you can actually provide proof that at some point Tali used to be a baby Krogan before growing up to be a space elf.

Untill you can provide proof that Tali was meant to be more alien, you'll just have to accept that for a very long time, Tali was always going to be human-like.

For #1 and 2, you are simply being untruthful. For #3, where do you live?

You also seem to misunderstand the burden of proof. You claim that tali always looked like a human. That carries a burden of proof. I don't need to prove to you otherwise, you need to prove to me that it is so. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. You have given no proof whatsoever.

I claim that tali did not always look like a human. My burden of proof is met by the page from the artbook. It shows quarians that are significantly more alien than the current canon.

Shifting the burden of proof does not gain you a victory. Please stop debating like a creationist.

[exelsis]

Darman wrote...

@exelsis: Is there actually any evidence that Quarians would NOT look like humans before ME3?
Is there any proof that they would've looked alien if BW hadn't changed this in ME3?

I currently just see the little facts we got form literature and the face shape. They both let us assume that Quarians look exactly like BW showed them in ME3. I just don't get your point.

This debate, unlike how terror is making it look like, has nothing to do with ME3 or ME2. Nothing from either of those games are valid in this argument.

This debate is about whether or not tali looked more alien before she was made into an LI. Tali was an LI in ME2 and 3, so they don't matter.

Modifié par exelsis, 07 juin 2012 - 05:14 .

[Darman]

exelsis wrote...

Darman wrote...

@exelsis: Is there actually any evidence that Quarians would NOT look like humans before ME3?
Is there any proof that they would've looked alien if BW hadn't changed this in ME3?

I currently just see the little facts we got form literature and the face shape. They both let us assume that Quarians look exactly like BW showed them in ME3. I just don't get your point.

This debate, unlike how terror is making it look like, has nothing to do with ME3 or ME2. Nothing from either of those games are valid in this argument.

This debate is about whether or not tali looked more alien before she was made into an LI. Tali was an LI in ME2 and 3, so they don't matter.

But did she? Is there any proof for this? Any hints, pictures that give us the idea of Tali looking more alien before ME2? I still just see the face shape and literature. Both gives me the idea of a human like face.

[Bahroo3]

I have lost track what this argument was even about. That is, if it even had a point to begin with.

[exelsis]

Darman wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Darman wrote...

@exelsis: Is there actually any evidence that Quarians would NOT look like humans before ME3?
Is there any proof that they would've looked alien if BW hadn't changed this in ME3?

I currently just see the little facts we got form literature and the face shape. They both let us assume that Quarians look exactly like BW showed them in ME3. I just don't get your point.

This debate, unlike how terror is making it look like, has nothing to do with ME3 or ME2. Nothing from either of those games are valid in this argument.

This debate is about whether or not tali looked more alien before she was made into an LI. Tali was an LI in ME2 and 3, so they don't matter.

But did she? Is there any proof for this? Any hints, pictures that give us the idea of Tali looking more alien before ME2? I still just see the face shape and literature. Both gives me the idea of a human like face.

The only piece of evidence posted from either side so far is the ME1 artbook page that I posted. It indicates that the original concept for quarians was more alien than what we ended up with.

@bahroo3, there probably never was a point.

Modifié par exelsis, 07 juin 2012 - 05:22 .

[Tom80]

GUYS, GUYS, GUUUUUYS !!!!!!!! 

If I would be an admin here..........this thread would be closed by now.......
You ask why ?
Well, because this whole argument will lead to NOTHING.


Terror will keep saying A  , exelsis will keep saying B .

And that so long until even the most patient moderator has enough of it.
And that because the topic is no longer "TALI", but "WHO IS RIGHT".............


If you have to argue more, do it over PMs please.
(Are we at the kindergarten with two kinds arguing about who is better in playing football or what ?)

Modifié par Tom80, 07 juin 2012 - 05:24 .

[Terrorize69]

Do what I'm doing Darman, ignore him on this matter, he clearly has erased all canon knowledge of what Quarians look like and replaced it with;



To suit his own.. dreams.

We can back our side with actual proof, he cannot and instead would rather go to a french starbucks.

We know Tali was always going to be human-like, the facts have been there for years, clearly its taking a little longer to sink in for some people.

[DirtySHISN0]

Tali has no face before ME3 because clearly it was undecided. So she neither looked too human or too alien.

Problem solved.

[exelsis]

@tom80: yep. But i'm too stubborn to stop.
@terror: you keep saying you have proof, but have posted null. That didn't work out well for McCarthy, so why are you trying it now?
@dirtyshisn0, that is both false and entirely irrelevant to the debate at hand.

[Terrorize69]

Glad we are decided, Tali always was meant to look human-like, it was decided years ago and we are happy with the proof. Good good, now moving on.

If Tali could eat an apple or an orange, which would she pick?

[exelsis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Glad we are decided, Tali always was meant to look human-like, it was decided years ago and we are happy with the proof. Good good, now moving on.

If Tali could eat an apple or an orange, which would she pick?

You have less academic and intellectual integrity than bioware has artistic integrity. I am disappointed.

[Bahroo3]

You realize you are trying to have a debate with a troll right?

[Apathy1989]

Bahroo3 wrote...

You realize you are trying to have a debate with a troll right?

Which one? Its hard to tell with internet arguments, and to be honest I'm not entirely sure why the are arguing.

[Terrorize69]

exelsis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Glad we are decided, Tali always was meant to look human-like, it was decided years ago and we are happy with the proof. Good good, now moving on.

If Tali could eat an apple or an orange, which would she pick?

You have less academic and intellectual integrity than bioware has artistic integrity. I am disappointed.

And yet still have more then you. Ok I'll just leave this here for you to try get your... mind around.

Mass Effect was released in 2007 on November 20 (First see Tali and Quarians)

Mass Effect: Ascension, released on July 29, 2008 (Told what Quarians look like, 8 Months after ME1 finishes, then take away the time it took to plan/publish etc, your looking at not very long since ME1 was finished that writers decided for sure what they looked like)

Mass Effect 2, was released January 26th 2010 (Tali is back and now as a LI, 18 Months after Ascension)

Its up to you how you want to read into this.

Proof. Provided.

Now yours?

[Terrorize69]

Edit: Double post

Modifié par Terrorize69, 07 juin 2012 - 05:54 .

[Tom80]

Two more pages before I feel sick of it......

[DirtySHISN0]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Bahroo3 wrote...

You realize you are trying to have a debate with a troll right?

Which one? Its hard to tell with internet arguments, and to be honest I'm not entirely sure why the are arguing.

These last few pages.


Its the most irrelevant point to argue over.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 07 juin 2012 - 06:03 .

[Grand Champion]

Ashleys annoying
Kaiden is dead
Why are there arguements
On a Tali thread?

Modifié par Wertom Three, 07 juin 2012 - 06:40 .

[Messier87]

I mentioned this in my little article that I typed in response to exelsis and comrade gando. The design of canon Tali is a combination of several of these preliminary faces, which is generally how a final design is created. 

Human face for a foundation, as seen in faces #1 and #6. "Omega"-shaped marking on forehead from face #4. White irises and pupils from face #3. Dark sclera from faces #2, #4, and #5. A thin nose with a narrow nasal bridge seen from face #6 with nostrils somewhat similar to #3 and #4. Additions, of course, include wider eye separation and angled orientation to match what we can see through her visor, hair, different ears, and more markings/augmentation on her body.

Was a more alien-like face considered for quarians? Yes, as seen in the concept art. To argue that it was intended for Tali's face to be more alien prior to being a LI is questionable. If your argument is that all six faces are more alien than what we have, perhaps I need to get my eyes checked because #1 and #6 are human faces. Having no hair or less hair does not make a human "less human" or "more alien." The fact that they could not use a single face from that image to represent the quarian race should give you all an idea of how difficult it is to finalize a design from concept, especially considering our high expectations as fans.

As for the wiki article mentioning quarians being the most similar to humans. You all need to realize that the article was edited in response to the Tali photo in ME3. You can even pull up a cached version of that article prior to ME3's release and see for yourselves that the sentence in question in not there. The only tangible evidence that we have in support of a humanoid face for Tali is what we see through her visor, and the ambiguous hints provided in Mass Effect: Ascension. 

Granted, a design for Tali's face has been decided upon. It's counterproductive to continue this "debate," especially when all this boils down to is one's preferences.

Modifié par Messier87, 07 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[comrade gando]

I cant believe people actually like that garbage photoshop. Thank you bioware may I have more crappy drawings pls?

[exelsis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Glad we are decided, Tali always was meant to look human-like, it was decided years ago and we are happy with the proof. Good good, now moving on.

If Tali could eat an apple or an orange, which would she pick?

You have less academic and intellectual integrity than bioware has artistic integrity. I am disappointed.

And yet still have more then you. Ok I'll just leave this here for you to try get your... mind around.

Mass Effect was released in 2007 on November 20 (First see Tali and Quarians)

Mass Effect: Ascension, released on July 29, 2008 (Told what Quarians look like, 8 Months after ME1 finishes, then take away the time it took to plan/publish etc, your looking at not very long since ME1 was finished that writers decided for sure what they looked like)

Mass Effect 2, was released January 26th 2010 (Tali is back and now as a LI, 18 Months after Ascension)

Its up to you how you want to read into this.

Proof. Provided.

Now yours?

You still haven't posted what ascension describes quarians' appearance. Giant hole in your 'proof' there.

[Messier87]

comrade gando wrote...

I cant believe people actually like that garbage photoshop. Thank you bioware may I have more crappy drawings pls?

No.

There is a significant difference between liking the design, and liking the photoshop. Many people here like the design as finalized from the concept art above. All of us are disappointed with how Tali's face was revealed to us through a subpar photoshop, and nothing more.

[Terrorize69]

exelsis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Glad we are decided, Tali always was meant to look human-like, it was decided years ago and we are happy with the proof. Good good, now moving on.

If Tali could eat an apple or an orange, which would she pick?

You have less academic and intellectual integrity than bioware has artistic integrity. I am disappointed.

And yet still have more then you. Ok I'll just leave this here for you to try get your... mind around.

Mass Effect was released in 2007 on November 20 (First see Tali and Quarians)

Mass Effect: Ascension, released on July 29, 2008 (Told what Quarians look like, 8 Months after ME1 finishes, then take away the time it took to plan/publish etc, your looking at not very long since ME1 was finished that writers decided for sure what they looked like)

Mass Effect 2, was released January 26th 2010 (Tali is back and now as a LI, 18 Months after Ascension)

Its up to you how you want to read into this.

Proof. Provided.

Now yours?

You still haven't posted what ascension describes quarians' appearance. Giant hole in your 'proof' there.

Nope just a giant hole in your memory.

I wil not repeat it, you can just live with the fact that you argued pointlessly for 2-3 pages to be proved wrong over and over.

I am right.

You are wrong.

That is life.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 07 juin 2012 - 07:00 .