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Tali? An admiral? She has been tested before, and she had failed. I doubt any quarian in the right mind would make her a fireteam leader within the marine corps, much less an admiral responsible for dozens of ships. 

I can see Tali being the ambassador figure in ME3 - coordinating with the geth, asari, and all of the other races of the galaxy with the quarians against the Reapers simply because she is perhaps the only quarian who is worldly enough to know how to deal with other species, especially when the quarians as a whole are such an insular people. 

[DoNotIngest]

May the Awesome be with you, my Good Man.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 20 juin 2011 - 10:47 .

[Runescapeguy9]

please stay on topic guys.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

please stay on topic guys.

This... Is an easy topic to stay on...


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[nakrato]

Collider wrote...

Shepard has a serious case of Mary Sue, yea.
That seems to be lessened in Mass Effect 3 though, which I am glad for.

 Uhmmmm... maybe I'm dumb for asking, but what is a "Mary sue case"

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nakrato wrote...

Collider wrote...

Shepard has a serious case of Mary Sue, yea.
That seems to be lessened in Mass Effect 3 though, which I am glad for.

 Uhmmmm... maybe I'm dumb for asking, but what is a "Mary sue case"

Don't worry, I'm wondering this as well.

[LordPennlocke]

Hmm, easy indeed...

Yeah Tali would be a poor admiral, the quarians on the fleet who want to make her one must not have read the reports on Freedom's Progress and Haestrom (or just ignored since she's the admiral's daughter). The Normandy needs her Chief Engineer anyways.

[nakrato]

DoNotIngest wrote...

nakrato wrote...

Collider wrote...

Shepard has a serious case of Mary Sue, yea.
That seems to be lessened in Mass Effect 3 though, which I am glad for.

 Uhmmmm... maybe I'm dumb for asking, but what is a "Mary sue case"

Don't worry, I'm wondering this as well.

 It just got mentioned two or three times, and I tried to google it but no answers, i just thought if I knew wha it is, I could understand the posts better... guess we'll just have to wait untill someone explains

Modifié par nakrato, 20 juin 2011 - 11:04 .

[Pride Demon]

nakrato wrote...

Collider wrote...

Shepard has a serious case of Mary Sue, yea.
That seems to be lessened in Mass Effect 3 though, which I am glad for.

 Uhmmmm... maybe I'm dumb for asking, but what is a "Mary sue case"

Don't know if it helps... Mary Sue

Still, since he is controlled by the player and the protagonist Hero, Shep can be excused a bit...

Regarding the Admiral thing, I agree she wouldn't be very suitable as she is now; she herself doesn't seem to like the idea...

[Saintfrankie]

Mary Sue has about a trillion different definitions. It is normally used by people to refer to a character who either takes all the spotlight or is so amazingly awesome they can solve every problem ever.

Tali would make a horrible admiral for several of the reasons already stated. She would probably be most effective as the chief engineer aboard the Normandy; seeing as she already has experience with the ship.

[sites32]

Tali may not be admiral material, but she know's more about Geth than any other Quarian. she would be vital if the fleet waged war against the Geth. but that would not be a war, it would be a slaughter. thats why i pushed for peace with my shep.

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sitesunseen wrote...

Tali may not be admiral material, but she know's more about Geth than any other Quarian. she would be vital if the fleet waged war against the Geth. but that would not be a war, it would be a slaughter. thats why i pushed for peace with my shep.

Yep. Tali, like I said, shouldn't and doesn't want to be an Admiral, but damn, is she important to the Quarians.

[Saintfrankie]

sitesunseen wrote...

Tali may not be admiral material, but she know's more about Geth than any other Quarian. she would be vital if the fleet waged war against the Geth. but that would not be a war, it would be a slaughter. thats why i pushed for peace with my shep.

All her information probably went to the fleet, they know as much as she does as long as she hasn't been keeping stuff from them which would be incredibly stupid. 

[ScaleItchRecipient]

Im not saying i want Tali to be an admiral, but I don't think it was entirely Tali's fault on either Freedom's Progress or Haestrom. On Haestrom i doubt she really had much to do with the security team, and its not like a small infiltration/science unit is gonna be able to hold off Geth while in the middle of Geth Space.

As for Freedom's progress, her team died because they were insubordinate. Tali's orders would most likely have gotten them out alive, the fact that she couldn't force them to comply does not mean she is a bad leader. Garrus is a fantastic leader, but his whole team got killed because of Sidonis's betrayal.

Modifié par ScaleItchRecipient, 20 juin 2011 - 11:25 .

[Scy Lancer]

Lot of talk about Tali being an admiral. Not quite sure why. I think as far as military command she wouldn't fare so well, but as a political figure she would do well. Since the two seem almost the same in the game it would be hit or miss. I have faith that BioWare knows what their doing. As for her sucking as a leader... we see her people die a lot around her. Couldn't control Praza and he got his team wiped out, but not everyone died. Haistrom was extremely high risk so I can see why it was only her and Reager that made it out. One was a betrayal the other was the odds.
I honestly can take it or leave it if she becomes an admiral or not.

[sites32]

I agree, but she did withhold information that her father had collected before he was killed.... thats if you allow it. but still

[Nashiktal]

While I don't want Tali to be and admiral I have always been annoyed at people calling Tali a bad leader when she hasn't been given a proper go of it yet.

For example, when you first me Tali on freedom's progress. During the whole scene with her prazza shows himself as a mistrustful and hotheaded person. Understandable considering the circumstances, but it was his hotheadedness that lead him to take HIS (not the his there) squad and run ahead. Tali gave an order, and he disobeyed. We see plenty of characters do this in the ME series for a variety of reasons, and its not always because of bad leadership. In this case, Prazza just disregards Tali's authority.

Was that even a military operation anyways? They certainly didn't act military, and if they are Kal must be a genius among idiots.

Then on Haestrom Tali gets saddled as the reason it went bad there, when she wasn't even leading the marines there. She was the head of the research team, while the Marines protected them (Assumedly by Kal.) Tali would not be in charge of how to fight the geth, she would be in charge of telling the marines what she needs to complete her objective. (EX. She tells Kal she needs to get the observatory for the data, the marines figure out how to get her there)

I don't think she is Admiral material but not because she is a bad leader, but because I don't think she has any experience for that sort of thing. She seems more at home in the engine room, or in a lab than as a politician.

[Gust4v]

That's a nice pic.

Hmm, the textmod outfit is very famous.

[78stonewobble]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Collider wrote...

Criticizing her for being a virgin - really? And she's a quarian. She can't go around having casual sex.

Tali's romance in the most conditional in the series. You need to meet the most prerequisites in order to romance her. Unlike some other characters, you need to do more than just talk to them or do their loyalty mission to get their romance.

I actually found Tali the most emotionally mature female love interest, easily.
Side with Jack and talk to Miranda. That says everything about Miranda.
Jack has the maturity of a rebellious teenager. I don't blame her considering her childhood, but that's what she is.
Liara feels like a doormat in ME1. It gets better in ME2, though, but she's still seemingly attached to Shepard no matter what you do.
Ashley's a closer contender, but she lets what happened to her grandfather color her perception of politics and aliens far too much.

I don't mean to bash any characters or offend anyone who is a fan of them. Just my opinion.

I just find it a tad laughable that a girl who is as old as her and "Mature"  still needs a man to save her.  As for the virgin thing it just screams BS to me it's meant to stroke egos and all that jazz.  Of the female love interests Ashley is probably the most mature,   though,  Jack and Liara do get a pass for not exactly being characters that understand social structure.  

Tali on the other hand grew up as essentially a politicians daughter she led a pretty normal life you know outside of that suit. 

I truthfully think they went way to far with the idol worship...  they turned a relatively strong female into just another girl who needed a pair of big strong arms.

I might be missing something but I can't see anything that says Tali gets "saved" by Shephard.

Sure she idolises him but truth be told anyone in love does that to a certain degree with their partner.


Regarding maturity... In my 30 years of life I have yet to meet a truely mature and modern human being (myself included). Basically we're all drooling emotional neanderthals...

[Saintfrankie]

78stonewobble wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Collider wrote...

Criticizing her for being a virgin - really? And she's a quarian. She can't go around having casual sex.

Tali's romance in the most conditional in the series. You need to meet the most prerequisites in order to romance her. Unlike some other characters, you need to do more than just talk to them or do their loyalty mission to get their romance.

I actually found Tali the most emotionally mature female love interest, easily.
Side with Jack and talk to Miranda. That says everything about Miranda.
Jack has the maturity of a rebellious teenager. I don't blame her considering her childhood, but that's what she is.
Liara feels like a doormat in ME1. It gets better in ME2, though, but she's still seemingly attached to Shepard no matter what you do.
Ashley's a closer contender, but she lets what happened to her grandfather color her perception of politics and aliens far too much.

I don't mean to bash any characters or offend anyone who is a fan of them. Just my opinion.

I just find it a tad laughable that a girl who is as old as her and "Mature"  still needs a man to save her.  As for the virgin thing it just screams BS to me it's meant to stroke egos and all that jazz.  Of the female love interests Ashley is probably the most mature,   though,  Jack and Liara do get a pass for not exactly being characters that understand social structure.  

Tali on the other hand grew up as essentially a politicians daughter she led a pretty normal life you know outside of that suit. 

I truthfully think they went way to far with the idol worship...  they turned a relatively strong female into just another girl who needed a pair of big strong arms.

I might be missing something but I can't see anything that says Tali gets "saved" by Shephard.

Sure she idolises him but truth be told anyone in love does that to a certain degree with their partner.


Regarding maturity... In my 30 years of life I have yet to meet a truely mature and modern human being (myself included). Basically we're all drooling emotional neanderthals...

You literally save her on haelstrom and it can be debated whether they would have made it out of FP without your assistance. "mature" is such a loaded concept we should probably just ignore it. 

[78stonewobble]

Bachi1230 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

sitesunseen wrote...

Even though her relationship with her father may have been distant, she did not want to ruin his name and reputation during that trial. Some say it was a selfish choice, but in her shoes id have thought the same.

It would still be a selfish choice.

And is being selfish a bad thing?

I feel sometimes people use that word as if it can only mean something negative but more often than not it's good to be selfish.  When you only put others interests ahead of your own you are depriving yourself of your own needs, which is evident with Tali throughout the story.  She is to focused on helping everyone that she forgets her own needs and wants.

Everybody's selfish all the time... Noone does anything without getting somekind of reward but thats more over in the category of philosophy, neurology and/or psychiatry.

Tali goes on semi suicidal missions for the migrant fleet. I think that kinda outweighs a little "family honor/dads memory" selfishness.

[78stonewobble]

Saintfrankie wrote...

You literally save her on haelstrom and it can be debated whether they would have made it out of FP without your assistance. "mature" is such a loaded concept we should probably just ignore it. 

Well I didn't mean "saving"  in a literal sense.

More over in the sense that she's "broken" and needs Shephard to fix her.... (that came out wrong but you know what I mean)

[titaniumHOG]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

please stay on topic guys.

this suit isnt very effective.....BUT I LIKE IT! :D

[Scy Lancer]

Think Tali will get a melee weapon in 3? I want to see her use her freaking boot knife. Or twin tech blades or something.

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Scy Lancer wrote...

Think Tali will get a melee weapon in 3? I want to see her use her freaking boot knife. Or twin tech blades or something.

Probably a tech knife. *Hopefully* dat boot knife. Happily, I don't think there'll be any twin tech blades (Doesn't that sound a little overzealous to you? Not trying to be hostile, just sayin').