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[WizenSlinky0]

I guess nobody ever taught you about the Quarians and the Bees.

[Apathy1989]

I'm steadily coming over to the thought that it makes very little sense for the Quarians to forgive the Geth. Letting the Geth live seems very renegade - only something I would do to get more war assets.

Think about it. The Quarians great-great-great-etc grand parents tried to kill the Geth. The Geth responded by killing billions of Quarians. Normally this could be forgiven, as neither generation was the one who wronged the other. However the geth don't procreate. Legion, and any other geth, were the mass murderers of that war. They deserve death for the cold barbarism they displayed. There must have been a point in the slaughter where the Quarians surrendered, the Geth clearly thought it better to neutralize the danger.

[Tom80]

Apathy1989 wrote...

They deserve death for the cold barbarism they displayed. There must have been a point in the slaughter where the Quarians surrendered, the Geth clearly thought it better to neutralize the danger.

1. The Geth were "scared", therefore and because they just "woke up", you can not call it cold barbarism !

2. The Quarians never surrendered.....IF THEY HAD THE GETH WOULD HAVE STOPPED !!!!!

Take your Morning-War-History-Lessons again.

[Nozzivix]

STOP FIGHTING! WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS! WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS!

[Tom80]

Nozzivix wrote...

STOP FIGHTING! WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS! WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS!

Because quarians like Gerrel always had the upper hand........

[Edolix]

Tom80 wrote...

1. The Geth were "scared", therefore and because they just "woke up", you can not call it cold barbarism !

Yes, because being "scared" completely justifies the massacre of 99% of the Quarian population.

Right...

[Lone Triarii]

The Quarians tried to kill the Geth, the Geth tried to kill the Quarians. Both acted callously yet neither deserve to be exterminated for their mistakes made under stressful conditions.

As Nozzivix says WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS!

Modifié par Lone Triarii, 14 juin 2012 - 06:55 .

[Tom80]

Edolix wrote...

Tom80 wrote...

1. The Geth were "scared", therefore and because they just "woke up", you can not call it cold barbarism !

Yes, because being "scared" completely justifies the massacre of 99% of the Quarian population.

Right...

They were frightened of extinction.

If you wake up and 99 from 100 people want to kil you, you will defend yourself from this 99 !

[Apathy1989]

Tom80 wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

They deserve death for the cold barbarism they displayed. There must have been a point in the slaughter where the Quarians surrendered, the Geth clearly thought it better to neutralize the danger.

1. The Geth were "scared", therefore and because they just "woke up", you can not call it cold barbarism !

2. The Quarians never surrendered.....IF THEY HAD THE GETH WOULD HAVE STOPPED !!!!!

Take your Morning-War-History-Lessons again.

Its never said how many died in the war, nor if the Quarians offered to surrender.

However, I think we can safely assume they did. If not after millions, then after billions. No one will fight to the last, and there were never enough ships for everyone who was left to escape.

I think its safe to assume the Geth acted with cold logic that dictated they wanted to survive, and the Quarians were a threat. However acting logically does not make it forgivable, just understandable.


Personally I think it would have added a whole new dimension to the story if some Quarians had surrendered, and the Geth sort of 'ruled' them as they continued to live on Rannoch. It would have made the Geth seem less... well.. evil, to have accepted the surrender and allowed the Quarians to live - in a subdued life where they couldn't arm themselves. The flotila would have the only free Quarians, who either wouldn't know of the surviving Quarians, or would be trying to liberate them.

[Edolix]

Tom80 wrote...

Edolix wrote...

Tom80 wrote...

1. The Geth were "scared", therefore and because they just "woke up", you can not call it cold barbarism !

Yes, because being "scared" completely justifies the massacre of 99% of the Quarian population.

Right...

They were frightened of extinction.

If you wake up and 99 from 100 people want to kil you, you will defend yourself from this 99 !

There's a stark difference between killing 100 people and killing BILLIONS of people, including children.

At somepoint it went from the Geth simply trying to defend themselves to systematically purging entire Quarian cities at a time. You're trying to defend a massacre, Tom. Those arn't the actions of something thats "scared", those are the actions of something cold and calculating.

The Quarians attempted to commit genocide by trying to shut down the Geth, yet it was the Geth themselves that carried out the genocide.

[Ralix_57]

Guys. This is the Tali thread. Not the "Geth/Quarian culpability" thread. Can we not argue about that here? 


So, questions for those with more experience than myself! Finally started my 2nd Shepard - an Earthborn Sole Survivor Renegon. I don't quite know who he's going to romance yet........ but lets be honest, it will probably be Tali. XD

My question, though, is whether pre-existing relationships prevent her from being a romance option. I picked Ash as my romance in ME1 (PS3 player, used interactive comic), but my Shep is gonna kick her to the curb when she bails on him on Horizon. He'll probably also one-night-stand Jack. But will those actions prevent him from wooing Tali? Or will she still be a viable romance option despite those previous trysts?

Modifié par Ralix_57, 14 juin 2012 - 08:03 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Edolix wrote...

 cold and calculating
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The Quarians attempted to commit genocide by trying to shut down the Geth, yet it was the Geth themselves that carried out the genocide.

Seems to me the geth are only guilty of being what the Quarians programmed them to be. 

[Tom80]

Edolix wrote...

(a)There's a stark difference between killing 100 people and killing BILLIONS of people, including children.

(b)Those arn't the actions of something thats "scared", those are the actions of something cold and calculating.

©The Quarians attempted to commit genocide by trying to shut down the Geth, yet it was the Geth themselves that carried out the genocide.

(a) You don't see my point.

( Logic sometimes is cold and calculating.

© And that makes the Geth worse than the Quarians ?
LOL !

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End of this now......WANT MORE TALI !!!!

[Nozzivix]

 Finally the fighting is over!

Cue Tali and legion Friend hug.

Modifié par Nozzivix, 14 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I hate how Mass Effect 3 did a complete 180 on the whole quarian/geth thing. It's so random. Example: In ME2, Gerrel is the likable one and Koris is the jerkass. In ME3, it's the opposite. And they went REALLY out of their way to paint the geth as poor, sympathetic victims. Because of all this, we now have players who believe that the quarians are an evil race who deserve to die.

[Nozzivix]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

I hate how Mass Effect 3 did a complete 180 on the whole quarian/geth thing. It's so random. Example: In ME2, Gerrel is the likable one and Koris is the jerkass. In ME3, it's the opposite. And they went REALLY out of their way to paint the geth as poor, sympathetic victims. Because of all this, we now have players who believe that the quarians are an evil race who deserve to die.

Who said that? New information suggested that the Geth were introverts and scared of Organics, while in ME2, Koris wants nothing to do with the geth so wants someone charged with bringing them to the fleet gone, while Han has no reason to want her gone as the research may have provided benefits to geth fighting.

In 3, we see that Han has really stepped up to the plate in geth hate, while Koris is still anti-war and open to peace when Tali returns and tells him of Legion.

Now, this is a Tali thread, not a "I HATE GETH/QUARIANS" thread.


Here is Tali and Legion playing with Space Lego.

[Lone Triarii]

Nozzivix wrote...

 Finally the fighting is over!

Cue Tali and legion Friend hug.

Great pic. Quarians and Geth working together, just as it should be.

[me308f1cd5c]

Tom80 wrote...

Edolix wrote...

(a)There's a stark difference between killing 100 people and killing BILLIONS of people, including children.

(b)Those arn't the actions of something thats "scared", those are the actions of something cold and calculating.

©The Quarians attempted to commit genocide by trying to shut down the Geth, yet it was the Geth themselves that carried out the genocide.

(a) You don't see my point.

( Logic sometimes is cold and calculating.

© And that makes the Geth worse than the Quarians ?
LOL !

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Well the Quarians wern't slaughterting children.

[18 Brains]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

I hate how Mass Effect 3 did a complete 180 on the whole quarian/geth thing. It's so random. Example: In ME2, Gerrel is the likable one and Koris is the jerkass. In ME3, it's the opposite. And they went REALLY out of their way to paint the geth as poor, sympathetic victims. Because of all this, we now have players who believe that the quarians are an evil race who deserve to die.

I thought that the difference between the admirals was in character to a point, as Koris had always pushed for peace and Gerrel for war.  Koris even touched on this when asked at one point by Xen, saying something along the lines of "At least I am able to forgive others mistakes."  Although yes, Gerrel was almost mad with military power, taking completely unnecessary risks at the cost of quarian lives (such as his coercion of the Civilian and Patrol fleets into attacking the Geth Dreadnaught while Shepard and Tali were still on board).  You'd think an Admiral whose decisions directly affect 17 million lives would have more sense than that.

And yes, for those who are just joining the Mass Effect franchise, the team at Bioware made the geth out to be poor, sympathetic victims indeed.  Doubtlessly, Legion (or the geth AI) only showed events that put the geth in such a light, as they would not have wanted to further reinforce the belief that the quarians were the ones that deserved sympathy.  Of course, anyone who had played the first two games would have realized the potential and the faults of both sides, but the Rannoch missions were all pro geth, indeed.

On an unrelated note, the author of For We Are Many has a new chapter up!

http://www.fanfictio...t/s/7490282/24/

[Tom80]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Well the Quarians wern't slaughterting children.

Considering what happened, they slaughtered their own......






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[Apathy1989]

Ralix_57 wrote...

Guys. This is the Tali thread. Not the "Geth/Quarian culpability" thread. Can we not argue about that here? 


So, questions for those with more experience than myself! Finally started my 2nd Shepard - an Earthborn Sole Survivor Renegon. I don't quite know who he's going to romance yet........ but lets be honest, it will probably be Tali. XD

My question, though, is whether pre-existing relationships prevent her from being a romance option. I picked Ash as my romance in ME1 (PS3 player, used interactive comic), but my Shep is gonna kick her to the curb when she bails on him on Horizon. He'll probably also one-night-stand Jack. But will those actions prevent him from wooing Tali? Or will she still be a viable romance option despite those previous trysts?

You are a terrible man-sl*t. (edit: why does bioware censor that?)

Although I admit its quite hard to not romance anyone in ME1. At the moment I am trying to avoid romance, but there doesn't seem any dialogue to just say 'not interested', only to completely fall out with them in a big fight. So looks like the plan is to tell Liara I am interested in Ash, then get Ash killed on virmire.

My main playthrough was a Liara then Tali romance, so Talis romance doesn't lock off based on someone else. I am curious though if she has more/different dialogue if you never romanced anyone, making it sound more like Shepard was always interested in her?

Modifié par Apathy1989, 14 juin 2012 - 09:26 .

[weirdnerd]

Ralix_57 wrote...

Guys. This is the Tali thread. Not the "Geth/Quarian culpability" thread. Can we not argue about that here? 


So, questions for those with more experience than myself! Finally started my 2nd Shepard - an Earthborn Sole Survivor Renegon. I don't quite know who he's going to romance yet........ but lets be honest, it will probably be Tali. XD

My question, though, is whether pre-existing relationships prevent her from being a romance option. I picked Ash as my romance in ME1 (PS3 player, used interactive comic), but my Shep is gonna kick her to the curb when she bails on him on Horizon. He'll probably also one-night-stand Jack. But will those actions prevent him from wooing Tali? Or will she still be a viable romance option despite those previous trysts?

if you didnt romance tali in 2 you cant in 3 i believe

[Apathy1989]

weirdnerd wrote...

if you didnt romance tali in 2 you cant in 3 i believe

This is true. Dextro romances must be done in ME2 to continue into 3.

[Soja57]

Summer Glau transformed into a concept of Tali's face.

[zapphoman24]

@ralix157 I did the one night stand thing with jack on my first playthrough and other than getting no other dialogue with Jack, there weren't any other consequences. I was still able to romance Tali.