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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I don't suppose anyone knows where I can see non-romanced Tali's evac scene. Garrus' non-romanced evac used half of the romanced lines, but Tali's romanced responses were much more romance-specific, so I'd like to see how similar they are. I thought hers was beautiful, by the way. :( <3

I will try since I have an adept that romanced a non squadmate (Jack) and uses team dexto. Though I have a feeling Garrus will be the one to talk over Tali lol. ;p

Finally got the EC for the PC so i'm probably gonna upload all the evac scenes in HQ as well.

EDIT: Oh and here are all the datapad messages for those that were interested. Scroll down to Tali.

Enjoy

Modifié par iSpaz, 27 juin 2012 - 06:27 .


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Finally, finally managed to download the EC 2 hours ago (god, I hate downloading in Origin, took nearly 9 damn hours....) and played through from the Cerberus Base all the way to the Destroy ending, so here are my thoughts:


Decided that instead of taking James and Kaidan with me to the Conduit (since it was easier to headcanon those two as dying back in the original ending/s), I choose to take Garrus and Tali with me as my squadmates instead. Wasn't sure exactly what I was getting into at the start of the "Beam run", since nothing was new at all to the scenes.... then the sh*t hits the fan and Tali and Garrus get f***ed up :blink: (well, Tali moreso than Garrus)

The new Beam scene indeed does work a hell of a lot better than the original by far as to explaining how the squadies get back on the Normandy, but by god, I was NOT prepared for that last goodbye between Shepard and Tali  -  Tali begging him not to leave her behind, Shepard softly telling her to return to Rannoch and build herself her home only for Tali to sob out "I have a home"....... god dammit, I honestly did cry at that scene, that was more heartbreaking to watch than Mordin's sacrifice, Thane's prayer, Legion's sacrifice, and Tali's "I want more time" scenes combined:crying::crying::crying::crying:


I truthfully wasn't expecting the EC to deliver as well as it did.... honestly, I was expecting a god-damn slap in the face by the developers to the fans for calling out what utter bullsh*t the original endings were (although I suppose one could argue that the new Refusal ending could be taken as that, lol), but.... at least with the best version of the Destroy ending and with those final scenes on the Normandy with Tali followed by the "Shepard's breath" scene, I now have something that the original game could never provide me in its endings:

Hope.

Hope that the galaxy of ME will continue to survive and even thrive with the Reapers destroyed.

Hope that the characters that I've come to know and care about in the course of 3 games will go on and be able to live out their lives in peace.

And finally.... Hope that Shepard and Tali will be reunited together... That neither one will be forced to leave the other behind.
^_^

Modifié par AVPen, 27 juin 2012 - 06:28 .


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Tali has a home.........

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So I just beat the EC ending twice. First Control, then Destroy (still hate synthesis).
For the record, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate this DLC as a 7.
A few things I have to write.
Very gutwrenching goodbye with Tali as you get her onto the Normandy for evac after the mako almost landed on her. Loved that.
The explanations of the options with the Catalyst were satisfactory.
I saw that Bioware had removed the comment in the datapad after the credits saying that 'the Shepard's story will continue in downloadable content.' Good job Bioware. Now the ending feels less like a corporate end influenced by EA that is trying to milk us for more money.

Still hate that Bioware decided upon using a small subplot of the series (synthetic vs organic) as the big ending plot reveal instead of the Dark Matter idea the other games had built up.
In the very end, there was no LI scene or Tali's house on Rannoch. That is quite disappointing.
In relation to that point, there was no scene or image showing what happened to our key squadmates, our close friends. There were images reserved however for the nonpivotal characters in ME3 such as Jack, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Jacob, and Miranda. There was no personalized image or scene for our actual squadmates such as Tali and Garrus. That is disappointing.
The Catalyst Godchild's logic still makes no sense in regards to the eternally inevitable war of Synthetics vs. Organics. The previous contention with his logic is still valid. The Geth never rebelled against their creators until the Reapers made them rebel. However, Bioware did make it seem as if the Catalyst had witnessed this kind of progression in every cycle and simply took it on faith that it would happen in this cycle as well so there was some kind of flimsy basis (not really) for the Catalyst's argument (again, not really because taking something like that on faith has no predictive capability while the Catalyst could have just waited for the Geth to try and rebel). Also, the Godchild's statement that the Reapers also harvest synthetic life sort of explains why Sovereign began by controlling the geth.

I still hate the Stargazer and his grandkid. They belittle the story and add absolutely nothing. They only enhance the metaphysical and philosophical ending Bioware was going for. Again, I hate that idea. That type of metaphysical end is generic enough that little to no work was allocated to personalizing and fleshing out the hundreds if not thousands of potential endings

I still hate that Bioware went for a more metaphysical and philosophical ending rather than a personal and real ending. In the end, no one cares about the philosophical or metaphysical implications of your decisions. We care about the people close to us and how our actions affect them.

If I am missing anything that would have been present if I had a higher EMS please let me know.

This DLC demonstrates the fact that Bioware can make amazing endings. Absolutely heartwrenching and well crafted endings. I actually noticed the huge differences in artistic quality between the original ending sections, and the EC sections. The EC sections were by far the best. I think Bioware was just rushed by EA. Bioware was rushed to pump out their hit games and that included Mass Effect 3. If Bioware/EA announces a new Mass Effect game within the next two years or so, I think it will support this idea that Bioware is being rushed.

The wound that Bioware inflicted upon us by directly lying to us from the beginning and then treating us with little respect with their claim of 'artistic integrity' has not yet healed for me. They have yet to earn all of my trust back.

But I am content. I still appreciate Bioware for creating Tali and her universe and that can never be tarnished. I loved Bioware for being trustworthy but now I no longer trust them. I appreciate Bioware for listening to our feedback and releasing the Extended Cuts DLC. It has made the games a bit more... worth it. It has also set or reinforced the revolutionary idea that the fans can heavily influence the ending of a game even after release. I thank you for that Bioware. Perhaps, in time, I will be able to play all three games again. Perhaps after I write the end, or rather, culmination, of my story in ME with Tali in my fanfic.
... I just wish that Shepard had said 'I love you' to Tali once. Just once. I know it was implied everywhere but hearing it would have been amazing.
I love you Tali. I loved you Bioware, but I thank you for giving us Tali. You did one hell of a job on this EC DLC. We will take it from here.

-Sorry for not making this Tali centric enough. I just come to this forum  before any other one out of habit and my sleep deprived brain needed to write this down as quickly as possible.

Modifié par InLoveWithTaliZorah, 27 juin 2012 - 06:53 .


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AVPen wrote...

Finally, finally managed to download the EC 2 hours ago (god, I hate downloading in Origin, took nearly 9 damn hours....) and played through from the Cerberus Base all the way to the Destroy ending, so here are my thoughts:


Decided that instead of taking James and Kaidan with me to the Conduit (since it was easier to headcanon those two as dying back in the original ending/s), I choose to take Garrus and Tali with me as my squadmates instead. Wasn't sure exactly what I was getting into at the start of the "Beam run", since nothing was new at all to the scenes.... then the sh*t hits the fan and Tali and Garrus get f***ed up :blink: (well, Tali moreso than Garrus)

The new Beam scene indeed does work a hell of a lot better than the original by far as to explaining how the squadies get back on the Normandy, but by god, I was NOT prepared for that last goodbye between Shepard and Tali  -  Tali begging him not to leave her behind, Shepard softly telling her to return to Rannoch and build herself her home only for Tali to sob out "I have a home"....... god dammit, I honestly did cry at that scene, that was more heartbreaking to watch than Mordin's sacrifice, Thane's prayer, Legion's sacrifice, and Tali's "I want more time" scenes combined:crying::crying::crying::crying:


I truthfully wasn't expecting the EC to deliver as well as it did.... honestly, I was expecting a god-damn slap in the face by the developers to the fans for calling out what utter bullsh*t the original endings were (although I suppose one could argue that the new Refusal ending could be taken as that, lol), but.... at least with the best version of the Destroy ending and with those final scenes on the Normandy with Tali followed by the "Shepard's breath" scene, I now have something that the original game could never provide me in its endings:

Hope.

Hope that the galaxy of ME will continue to survive and even thrive with the Reapers destroyed.

Hope that the characters that I've come to know and care about in the course of 3 games will go on and be able to live out their lives in peace.

And finally.... Hope that Shepard and Tali will be reunited together... That neither one will be forced to leave the other behind.
^_^


I would like to second this statement because Everything he just said was what I thought, and I know there was alot of dissent about the original endings but Bioware really made something I can love and play again and again.

#63281
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Too true. That 'I have a home' line is going to haunt me for a long time. The evacuation scene with Tali and Garrus was literally the best part of the EC.

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about the reunion
twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217789965633982464

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217797206290337792

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217797484863434752

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217810081557909504

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217811603901526016

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217811960752902144

so, it's up to us how the reunion will look like.

#63283
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I just had a short tali deram! I was in bed with her, snuggling, and she had a large baby bump...
MAN SQEEE!

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Cheese of Borg wrote...

I just had a short tali deram! I was in bed with her, snuggling, and she had a large baby bump...
MAN SQEEE!


Oh jesus christ.

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I loved the EC ending! Everything worked out great. Out of sheer random chance I decided that this time I would definitely have Tali and Garrus in my final squad (didn't have them with me on my original playthrough, didn't realize it was the end just yet).

That evac scene was a big surprise, that was really really well done, and Tali's dialog was great. Also I chose the destroy ending (mostly because I watched a video recently that convinced me that destroy would be most in line with shepard's original goals), and it turned out that they must have significantly dropped the required points level for Shep to live. That was a really big surprise too. Also, I loved the glimpses of the future we got.

Bioware delivered in my opinion. The ending is way better now. Lol sorry Edi and all other robots in existence.. You can still be repaired.

#63286
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I also really enjoyed the Extended Cut DLC. The extra dialogue with Tali after she was injured was both sweet and heart wrenching. I didn't take Tali down to Earth with me on my first play through back when the game came out due to fear of her dying, but I had a feeling they would add another romance scene for the EC DLC so I brought her and Garrus and along.

I took the destroy option as I had before, since I had already wiped out the geth for Tali and was willing to kill EDI and other synthetics if it meant at chance at a happy life with Tali. I was always happy with my decision but I felt a bit sad when I saw EDI's name on the memorial. I never thought I would feel guilty about killing EDI, but credit to Bioware for making me feel something. Likewise, it was sad to see Tali nearly put my name on the wall, but I was so happy when she pulled back and held onto my name tag, showing that she has some hope Shepard is still alive. I had already seen the breath ending multiple times, but the memorial scene put some extra weight behind it.

Even if BioWare doesn't explicitly state it, Tali is getting her home on Rannoch, and Shepard is building it for her.

Modifié par Phuz, 27 juin 2012 - 07:29 .


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Edolix wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I just had a short tali deram! I was in bed with her, snuggling, and she had a large baby bump...
MAN SQEEE!


Oh jesus christ.

I lol'd.

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So. The EC. I guess everybody here chose Destroy with high EMS? Good.

IMO, the EC isn't much of an improvement. WHERE DA HELL IS MY REUNION.
Yes, I read the twitter posts. "Imagination". I can't think of a single Tali fan that wouldn't like a house on Rannoch epilouge.
Still just the breath. At least nobody actually plants the memorial plate on the wall. Tali just holds it. Nearly broke my heart.

Im a little upset that we had to sacrifice the Geth and that they fixed the EDI lives bug. And that this obviously means Quarians MUST go on living with their masks on. To choose between living and a better Quarian future -
Because you only see them with masks off in synthesis ending diashow. Destroy diashow shows them with masks on a dark city world.

Again, Synthesis is shown as the "perfect" ending. Quarians and Geth living together. Everybody alive. Instead of me. Bad deal. Besides, who wants to live with green eyes?

They really shouldn't have wasted effort on the "the cycle goes on" ending and therefore have created a proper LI- Epilouge. Guess that is up to us now. Leveleditor is already in the making. It will take a while, but eventually we will get a proper epilouge at least.

Sidenote: -.- They still didn't improve the Tali romance scene before the cronos station. Music still fades out before it really starts. Crap.

Modifié par Darman, 27 juin 2012 - 07:51 .


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Darman wrote...

Again, Synthesis is shown as the "perfect" ending. Quarians and Geth living together. Everybody alive. Instead of me. Bad deal. Besides, who wants to live with green eyes? 


I bet if you ask any of the husks after synthesis they'll tell you life is just fine and dandy.

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Edolix wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I just had a short tali deram! I was in bed with her, snuggling, and she had a large baby bump...
MAN SQEEE!


Oh jesus christ.


Maybe your next dream will be about child support payments and alimony. Full circle!

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AVPen wrote...
at least with the best version of the Destroy ending and with those final scenes on the Normandy with Tali followed by the "Shepard's breath" scene, I now have something that the original game could never provide me in its endings:

Hope.

Hope that the galaxy of ME will continue to survive and even thrive with the Reapers destroyed.

Hope that the characters that I've come to know and care about in the course of 3 games will go on and be able to live out their lives in peace.

And finally.... Hope that Shepard and Tali will be reunited together... That neither one will be forced to leave the other behind.
^_^


Same here. Posted Image

Not to mention that I was smiling when I saw the beam's effect on the Reapers on Thessia and Tuchanka and the epilogue with Hackett's naration. It gave me the other feeling the other ME games gave me the "damn, I'm a hero!" feeling. Posted Image

And then Tali not putting the plaque on the wall hoping Shepard is alive and the Normandy flying towards the stars like every ME ended before accompanied with that small and light part of the Mass Effect theme. Posted Image
(+ the breath scene Posted Image)

Just wish they had it like that from the beginning and not having to give us the massive disappointment of the original endings. Posted Image

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Darman wrote...

So. The EC. I guess everybody here chose Destroy with high EMS? Good.

IMO, the EC isn't much of an improvement. WHERE DA HELL IS MY REUNION.
Yes, I read the twitter posts. "Imagination". I can't think of a single Tali fan that wouldn't like a house on Rannoch epilouge.
Still just the breath. At least nobody actually plants the memorial plate on the wall. Tali just holds it. Nearly broke my heart.

Im a little upset that we had to sacrifice the Geth and that they fixed the EDI lives bug. And that this obviously means Quarians MUST go on living with their masks on. To choose between living and a better Quarian future -
Because you only see them with masks off in synthesis ending diashow. Destroy diashow shows them with masks on a dark city world.

Again, Synthesis is shown as the "perfect" ending. Quarians and Geth living together. Everybody alive. Instead of me. Bad deal. Besides, who wants to live with green eyes?

They really shouldn't have wasted effort on the "the cycle goes on" ending and therefore have created a proper LI- Epilouge. Guess that is up to us now. Leveleditor is already in the making. It will take a while, but eventually we will get a proper epilouge at least.

Sidenote: -.- They still didn't improve the Tali romance scene before the cronos station. Music still fades out before it really starts. Crap.

I already have a proper epilogue.

There is no perfect ending.  I did Synthesis and it was just weird to me.

I will always choose destroy, it leads to the most self determination and kills the threat dead.

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For those still interested, I just posted a new chapter. Feel free to give it a read.

http://social.biowar...05/blog/214560/

Also, due to EC, I'm writing a bonus chapter. It'll skip ahead a bit but it's mainly epilogue and headcanon after destroy ending with highest EMS.

Modifié par Ryuji2, 27 juin 2012 - 08:52 .


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I didn't even know there was a Refuse ending now. I actually tried to fire at the Starchild after the dialog just to say "I hate you and everything you stand for, you bosh'tet" but my gun jammed. I actually had to reload the autosave to Destroy the Reapers (something I would do even if Shepard's death was always certain) and that would have just been so jarring if it cut to a scene of "the Reapers win" - and adding a Reapers Win ending was pretty much the only thing they needed to do. Well, minus the clarification and epilogue, of course.

It makes sense that it fails miserably, though. If you assume you'd need 100,000 EMS to beat the Reapers in a slug match (seems a reasonable number to me) and that the tracker for the number of promoted MP characters is an 8-bit integer like the consumable tracker is, that leaves you with a maximum (assuming you cured the genophage - because who didn't?) single player TMS of 7700, plus 120 for the best version of the Cerberus Escapees War Asset from ME:Infiltrator, and then a whopping 19,125 (75 x 255) for N7 Special Ops. Unfortunately, this still leaves you with 26,945 EMS. Barely more than a quarter. The Reapers chew you up and spit you out, then make moar Reapers.

(Oh, and I never saw that evacuation farewell. I usually bring Team Dextro for final missions, but I thought Javik should get a turn, and then I ummed and ahhed between Tali and EDI, because they both had reason to be there - the love interest, and the last hurrah respectively. I brought EDI because Tali is useless against husks in the end)

EDIT: Added 20 more points onto Cerberus Escapees then it can get. Fixed.

Modifié par N7Kopper, 27 juin 2012 - 09:10 .


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Just in case it has not been said there is now a 4th ending just reject all of star child's choices its not what we all want but its new.....

the easy way to see it shoot star child......:bandit:

Modifié par Alpha 1 Omega, 27 juin 2012 - 10:14 .


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Mixed emotions about the ending. Destroy is so vague and unfulfilled. There needed to be a bit more of a wink or a nudge. I would have even been OK with zero dialog. :/

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The last farewell scene during the conduit run is pretty heartbreaking.

"I need you to get alive out of this, Tali. Go back to Rannoch, build yourself a home."
"I have a home... come back to me."


*tears*

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PKchu wrote...

Mixed emotions about the ending. Destroy is so vague and unfulfilled. There needed to be a bit more of a wink or a nudge. I would have even been OK with zero dialog. :/

I thought there was more than enough.
Wrex is on Tuchanka, Samara is either on Thessia or Illium, and Shepard is alive.
We know what the hell's gonna happen.

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Darman wrote...

Im a little upset that we had to sacrifice the Geth and that they fixed the EDI lives bug. And that this obviously means Quarians MUST go on living with their masks on. To choose between living and a better Quarian future -
Because you only see them with masks off in synthesis ending diashow. Destroy diashow shows them with masks on a dark city world.


It will take time, but the quarians will live without their mask in the next decade and not centuries. Remember how fast Tali get used to Shepard, furthermore it's their home planet and as we saw in the Rannoch missions the planet isn't wasteland.

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Jaykel wrote...

Darman wrote...

Im a little upset that we had to sacrifice the Geth and that they fixed the EDI lives bug. And that this obviously means Quarians MUST go on living with their masks on. To choose between living and a better Quarian future -
Because you only see them with masks off in synthesis ending diashow. Destroy diashow shows them with masks on a dark city world.


It will take time, but the quarians will live without their mask in the next decade and not centuries. Remember how fast Tali get used to Shepard, furthermore it's their home planet and as we saw in the Rannoch missions the planet isn't wasteland.

Maybe Synthesis itself has a side-effect that allows them to take off their masks - explaining that you don't get that in Control, (I assume) and that Control enables the geth to improve them normally, and in Destroy, they salvage the geth and create a VI which would do the same thing? ;)

And having Shepard remain alive was never part of the choice for me.
It would only have been a tiebreaker, had Synthesis turned out to agree more with my personal principles.

Modifié par N7Kopper, 27 juin 2012 - 10:30 .