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[JesseLee202]

nitefyre410 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

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And your Shep no longer has feelings for her, he no longer has a connection to her other than memories.

What good are memories unless we feel something about them?

I pity your canon shep... 

 
 
Pity... please save it.   

Completely ignored the point I made... <_<

[Photonkun]

Let,s not bash our head cannons whatever final decision was chosen.

If people choose controls and do a head cannon about how I can remember my LI and in hopes to be with her made yourself a souless clone and assume CONTROL of him just to be with her so be it. It may look weird or I may not agree with you but it,s your cannon. We may argue about your point against mine. If we have a respectfully argument then great!. I you don,t take criticism then fine, I,ll move on. Simple.

Same with DESTRUCTION' I chose it with high EMS so I can head cannon my own reunion with Tali. Don,t like my point of view fine, move on, respectfully argue about it? Hey, I'm all ears.

BW did not gave us a reunion closure, that's for sure. But they left it open so we can fantasize about it. Would have loved to see a reunion scene, but we did not get one.

(I tried to find a point about SYNTHESIS but frankly, could not find one)

[nitefyre410]

Photonkun wrote...

Let,s not bash our head cannons whatever final decision was chosen.

If people choose controls and do a head cannon about how I can remember my LI and in hopes to be with her made yourself a souless clone and assume CONTROL of him just to be with her so be it. It may look weird or I may not agree with you but it,s your cannon. We may argue about your point against mine. If we have a respectfully argument then great!. I you don,t take criticism then fine, I,ll move on. Simple.

Same with DESTRUCTION' I chose it with high EMS so I can head cannon my own reunion with Tali. Don,t like my point of view fine, move on, respectfully argue about it? Hey, I'm all ears.

BW did not gave us a reunion closure, that's for sure. But they left it open so we can fantasize about it. Would have loved to see a reunion scene, but we did not get one.

(I tried to find a point about SYNTHESIS but frankly, could not find one)

 

Exactly, I just don't like being told i was wrong for picking the ending that I choose. I don't Destory is anymore wrong than anything else. 

To your point about Control... picking  Control means you have simply sacrifice that dream of being with them againt for something  bigger.

Someone in another thread pointed out how terrible sad it really  that ending is... Shepard gave it all up.  

[Zoo Keeper Zeke]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I don't suppose anyone knows where I can see non-romanced Tali's evac scene. Garrus' non-romanced evac used half of the romanced lines, but Tali's romanced responses were much more romance-specific, so I'd like to see how similar they are. I thought hers was beautiful, by the way.

Was curious about this myself so I took her on the final run in my Jack LI playthrough.  The first part is the same with the "don't argue with me, Tali", but afterwards what is normally the Shep LI "I'll always love you" prompt and which leads to the more touching LI part becomes...

Choice "I won't let you die here", which triggers:
Shep: "I need to know somebody is getting out of this alive"
Tali: pulled up ramp quietly hesitant , "I..."
Shep: staying at bottom of ramp "Stay safe Tali"

Nice, but appropriately truncated and dialed back from the LI interaction.

Modifié par Zoo Keeper Zeke, 27 juin 2012 - 09:16 .

[Photonkun]

Which it's totally fine. In control you saw it that way, what I though was He chose it so He can protect everyone dear to him. Watch for the safety of everyone and his love one ( in this case Tali) in the galaxy for as long he can maintain controls of the Reapers. But for how long? Now that is something that BW left for imagination.

[nitefyre410]

Photonkun wrote...

Which it's totally fine. In control you saw it that way, what I though was He chose it so He can protect everyone dear to him. Watch for the safety of everyone and his love one ( in this case Tali) in the galaxy for as long he can maintain controls of the Reapers. But for how long? Now that is something that BW left for imagination.

 

From that I can take from the monologue , the New Shepard/Catalyst never waivers but that just  me reading between the lines.  Then again I was leaning towards control from begining. 

Like I said I never said that any that picking  Destory was wrong but I was rather miffed that someone who picked Destory said  picking anything else other than Destory was completely "wrong"   


Control reminds me of the Ending to Persona 3 how the protaganist gave it all up to become the seal for Nyx. 

And if you have not played Persona 3... GO  PLAY IT! 

[Apathy1989]

Photonkun wrote...

Like I said I never said that any that picking  Destory was wrong but I was rather miffed that someone who picked Destory said  picking anything else other than Destory was completely "wrong"   

But... it is! 

Tbh I can never pick anything but destroy. I will pick Synthesis once just to see the space magic, but my headcanon is destroy. 

I watched control on youtube. Seemed good all things considered, but I'm the 'better safe than sorry' sort. Which is why I always kill the rachni queen and heretic geth. To be honest the reaper upgrades on Geth also scared me a bit, so not too sad they are gone. EDI is the only one I am upset over losing.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 27 juin 2012 - 09:47 .

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

Fenrisfil wrote...

Hey all. So yeah, EC was an improvement but the whole starkid "yo dawg" premise still makes no sense and still no Tali reunion. I'd like to add though, why does Tali still have her mask on in the synthesis ending?

Anyway, destroy is still my ending. Synthesis still makes no sense, control still doesn't feel like a win and rejection was nice to do once but really has no advantages over destroy other than being able to say FU to starkid. It's sad about EDI and the Geth but we can rebuild them. Besides that part still makes no sense the way it was explained (they could have fixed it easily just by saying it only targets Reaper tech, but they didn't), Geth are software so their platforms are no different then a non-sentient robot like a Loki droid. Are Loki's being wiped out too? If so does that mean anything with a computer in gets blown up? Because in the future everything will have a computer in. Meanwhile EDI's physical hardware is within the Normady and that can still fly. So IMHO it can all be fixed no problem.

I did like the extra bits we did get with Tali in. Especially the little scene on the hill run. But we're left to headcanon the reunion again. I don't like it but I can just about let BW off that one because of the Xbox download limit (you suck Xbox). I can't however let them off the fact that starkid and everything that relates to him makes no sense and doesn't fit with the rest of the Mass Effect universe. I didn't expect that to be fixed though and at least Shepard can ask questions now (even if the answers are rubbish), so I guess I see the DLC as positive overall.

I agree with this if you choose destroy with a high enough EMS. I didn't have a high enough EMS so I chose Control and I reaelly liked it. Shepard is god and is watching over Tali and his friends. <3B)
But a Destroy ending with Shepard living is the best.
I wonder if Bioware will release a post ending DLC where we can see Shepard alive or will we have to wait for the next game for that?
Back to headcannoning the Reunion. I'm working on a head cannon where Shepard comes back after he chooses control. Don't ask me how yet. It's complicated.

[JesseLee202]

Photonkun wrote...

Let,s not bash our head cannons whatever final decision was chosen.

If people choose controls and do a head cannon about how I can remember my LI and in hopes to be with her made yourself a souless clone and assume CONTROL of him just to be with her so be it. It may look weird or I may not agree with you but it,s your cannon. We may argue about your point against mine. If we have a respectfully argument then great!. I you don,t take criticism then fine, I,ll move on. Simple.

Same with DESTRUCTION' I chose it with high EMS so I can head cannon my own reunion with Tali. Don,t like my point of view fine, move on, respectfully argue about it? Hey, I'm all ears.

BW did not gave us a reunion closure, that's for sure. But they left it open so we can fantasize about it. Would have loved to see a reunion scene, but we did not get one.

(I tried to find a point about SYNTHESIS but frankly, could not find one)

I am not bashing anyone. I brought up a valid point about control, he didn't like it, and then ignored it.

Bioware has stated multiple times that Shep is alive in the breathe scene from the destroy ending. So making a conclusion like... Tali and Shep reunited in destroy ending and live happily... is not as far a stretch as he is making in control.  

The catalyst clearly states that Shep will still have thoughts and memories in control; but that he will lose his connection, no longer be organic, and lose everything he has. 

Tali and shep in a control ending is not possible, but hey, its your headcanon after all...

[Costin_Razvan]

 

Back to headcannoning the Reunion. I'm working on a head cannon where Shepard comes back after he chooses control. Don't ask me how yet. It's complicated.

It's relatively simple. Remember how EDI gained a body? Her consciousness still resides in the AI core, but she can talk with people through the body. Why can't Reaper Shepard replicate that?

Anyway ( I dunno if it's been posted already ) here's the control end destroy endings with Tali as a LI. The links take you to the point where Tali put's Shepard's name on the wall ( or not ).

Control Ending
Destroy Ending

To me it was a bit heartbreaking to see Tali placing Shepard's plaque on the wall since Control is my cannon choice.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 juin 2012 - 10:27 .

[nitefyre410]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Photonkun wrote...

Let,s not bash our head cannons whatever final decision was chosen.

If people choose controls and do a head cannon about how I can remember my LI and in hopes to be with her made yourself a souless clone and assume CONTROL of him just to be with her so be it. It may look weird or I may not agree with you but it,s your cannon. We may argue about your point against mine. If we have a respectfully argument then great!. I you don,t take criticism then fine, I,ll move on. Simple.

Same with DESTRUCTION' I chose it with high EMS so I can head cannon my own reunion with Tali. Don,t like my point of view fine, move on, respectfully argue about it? Hey, I'm all ears.

BW did not gave us a reunion closure, that's for sure. But they left it open so we can fantasize about it. Would have loved to see a reunion scene, but we did not get one.

(I tried to find a point about SYNTHESIS but frankly, could not find one)

I am not bashing anyone. I brought up a valid point about control, he didn't like it, and then ignored it.

Bioware has stated multiple times that Shep is alive in the breathe scene from the destroy ending. So making a conclusion like... Tali and Shep reunited in destroy ending and live happily... is not as far a stretch as he is making in control.  

The catalyst clearly states that Shep will still have thoughts and memories in control; but that he will lose his connection, no longer be organic, and lose everything he has. 

Tali and shep in a control ending is not possible, but hey, its your headcanon after all...

 

Pity... please don't...    


Feelings are notthing without actions and  will to back them up turn them into actions.   He loves and loved her in trustest sense of the word and thats why he gave everything to ensure not only her but all life,  organic and synthetic had a future.   



Just so you know... I'm not mad or anything. ... just that I have a  different opinion.  

 


Thats my edit...because what I orginally posted was rather short and more so than I intended.  


Where did I say they  would be reunited?  Even im my orignal  post  never said anything about them I was making a reference to  the ending of District 9...if you ever saw the movie.    

Even  later post I even said the Control could be the saddest and most tragic ending of them all. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 juin 2012 - 10:56 .

[forthary]

I think Tali will become a legend in the quarian fleet because of her brave efforts to help Shepard get to the crucible and stop the reapers. To be honest, I was really worried about Tali, I kinda wish I could have braught her to the beam despite her injuries. At least we could die together if that happened, plus I could always use the backup and quarian insight too. But it probably would not have been such a good idea. Being around all those dead bodies may make Tali really sick, possibly resulting in permanent injuries or death. Then there's the question of her survival during the ending. All those injuries might be too much for her. Who knows?

Modifié par forthary, 27 juin 2012 - 11:01 .

[JesseLee202]

nitefyre410 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Photonkun wrote...

Let,s not bash our head cannons whatever final decision was chosen.

If people choose controls and do a head cannon about how I can remember my LI and in hopes to be with her made yourself a souless clone and assume CONTROL of him just to be with her so be it. It may look weird or I may not agree with you but it,s your cannon. We may argue about your point against mine. If we have a respectfully argument then great!. I you don,t take criticism then fine, I,ll move on. Simple.

Same with DESTRUCTION' I chose it with high EMS so I can head cannon my own reunion with Tali. Don,t like my point of view fine, move on, respectfully argue about it? Hey, I'm all ears.

BW did not gave us a reunion closure, that's for sure. But they left it open so we can fantasize about it. Would have loved to see a reunion scene, but we did not get one.

(I tried to find a point about SYNTHESIS but frankly, could not find one)

I am not bashing anyone. I brought up a valid point about control, he didn't like it, and then ignored it.

Bioware has stated multiple times that Shep is alive in the breathe scene from the destroy ending. So making a conclusion like... Tali and Shep reunited in destroy ending and live happily... is not as far a stretch as he is making in control.  

The catalyst clearly states that Shep will still have thoughts and memories in control; but that he will lose his connection, no longer be organic, and lose everything he has. 

Tali and shep in a control ending is not possible, but hey, its your headcanon after all...

 

Pity... please don't...    


Feelings are notthing without actions and  will to back them up turn them into actions.   He loves and loved her in trustest sense of the word and thats why he gave everything to ensure not only her but all life,  organic and synthetic had a future.   



Just so you know... I'm not mad or anything. ... just that I have a  different opinion.  

 


Thats my edit...because what I orginally posted was rather short and more so than I intended.  


Where did I say they  would be reunited?  Even im my orignal  post  never said anything about them I was making a reference to  the ending of District 9...if you ever saw the movie.    

Even  later post I even said the Control could be the saddest and most tragic ending of them all. 

I was directing that to other people that believe shep could do that, not necessarily you, sorry bout that.

I can respect your choice, but my shep will always return to Tali in destroy. (good thing Bioware lets each of us choose...) lol

[nitefyre410]

JesseLee202 wrote...

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I was directing that to other people that believe shep could do that, not necessarily you, sorry bout that.

I can respect your choice, but my shep will always return to Tali in destroy. (good thing Bioware lets each of us choose...) lol

 

Hey, is okay, no blood no  bodies, no foul... is all water under the bridge.  

I'm write out the whole conversation out... just when I find the right song to set it to... "FLIPS MANY TABLES" 

[exelsis]

[MadCat221]

Anyone really good with Gibbed save haxing? I have an inquiry involving Tali and making her available before the Cerbie Coup... I just want to see what she has to say in "From Ashes" because I always end up doing that as soon as I pass Priority: Palaven so I have Javik asap.  Just checking "Tali Acquired" In Plot > Mass Effect 3 > Henchman doesn't do it.

Modifié par MadCat221, 28 juin 2012 - 12:02 .

[AVPen]

forthary wrote...

Is it just me or while watching that scene, did it appear to anyone else that the modelers/animators had made it look like that Tali was actually crying under her visor?

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

exelsis wrote...

I think we can all agree on that.
Now im off to play mp so i can get the destroy ending with high ems. Shep's gotta have the hope of building Tali's house.
Anyone know the lowest EMS needed for that high ems destroy ending?

[l7986]

So I just woke up because have been sick all day and I had a crazy dream about Tali. It was set after the suicide mission were Shep and Tali tell the admiralty board about their feelings for each other. The board is at first like ok whatever then shep gets a call to come back to the normandy. Shepard gets back and EDI is like err no one called you to come back.
Then EDI says that Tali's suit tracker shows her being moved to the shuttles to be prepared to move to a different ship. Then Shepard gets a message from Xen saying that if the Shepard doesnt surrender himself of charges of kidnapping an admirals daughter the Normady will be destroyed.
My Shepard being the heartless bastard that he is and willing to kill anyone that stands in his way and Tali being the only good thing he has in his life leads a boarding party and just ****s up every quarian that stands in his way and executes the entire admiralty board except for Raan after he finds out that Raan was the only one that tried to stop the quarians from taking Tali against her will.
They save Tali and Shepard broadcasts a message to every quarian ship saying if anyone ever ****s with Tali again he will personally lead the enitre geth battle fleet and finish what was started 300 years prior.

Modifié par l7986, 28 juin 2012 - 12:07 .

[AVPen]

InLoveWithTaliZorah wrote...

Anyone know the lowest EMS needed for that high ems destroy ending?

The EMS requirement to get the best Destroy ending where Shepard is shown alive has now been lowered to 3,100 EMS (not sure if that also requires Anderson to be "saved", but it's still a lot friggin' easier to get than it was to get 4,000 EMS, which was impossible without MP...).

Modifié par AVPen, 28 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[exelsis]

I downloaded the EC yesterday, still haven't played any of it. Still have the taste of **** in my mouth from the original ending. The real problems won't be fixed. I just don't think I have it in me anymore.

itsgonesadface.img

Modifié par exelsis, 28 juin 2012 - 12:27 .

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

exelsis wrote...

I downloaded the EC yesterday, still haven't played any of it. Still have the taste of **** in my mouth from the original ending. The real problems won't be fixed. I just don't think I have it in me anymore.
photo snip*

Take heart. The EC ending is still pretty bad given its general premise of not  changing the ending and not removing the Godchild but it is an improvement. The Tali scenes alone are worth it. I wasn't expecting anything good. I just wanted more Tali. Now Talimancers ave a new rallying cry. 'I have a home.' That still sends shivers down my spine.
It also improved my headcannon a lot. Now I have a basis for my Dark Matter headcacnnon/intended endig for trilogy.

[Nozzivix]

http://www.fanfictio..._Final_Crucible
^I wrote this today, will try and get a third chapter with a reunion up tomorrow the maybe do bonus control/synthesis endings. (Tali will be sad because shep is dead, fair warning)

[amxstyle]

So I just did another playthrough of the end just to see synthesis...it is too odd of a conclusion. The premise of what it promises is great but it just so does not fit the ME universe lore/rules. One thing I got out of it was EDI's narration and at the end after Tali put the name on the wall and EDI says "Because of Shepard I am alive and not alone"...and looks like she is about to cry and Tali comes over to hug her...wth why did we have to choose between this stuff.

It really should have been one grand ending with our variables...because if this bit was also possible with how destroy with breath plays out...it really would have been the ultimate ending.

[forthary]

InLoveWithTaliZorah wrote...

Take heart. The EC ending is still pretty bad given its general premise of not  changing the ending and not removing the Godchild but it is an improvement. The Tali scenes alone are worth it. I wasn't expecting anything good. I just wanted more Tali. Now Talimancers ave a new rallying cry. 'I have a home.' That still sends shivers down my spine.
It also improved my headcannon a lot. Now I have a basis for my Dark Matter headcacnnon/intended endig for trilogy.

"I want more time" still sends shivers down my spine.  What Tali says when Shepard saves her on the normandy can be tear-jerking I guess.  The control and destroy post-ending scenes were definately tear jerking, especially control, but not so much for synthesis, as I believe Shepard will always be within Tali.  "Come back for me." was what really got me going.  And Tali was the motivation all along for me coming back alive.  She'd be very lonely without Shepard.  I couldn't let that happen.  Hell, if everyone disintegrated on earth for my choice, I would still do it.

Modifié par forthary, 28 juin 2012 - 01:48 .