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[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Tom80 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Hey guys. Whether you liked the EC or not, I decided to incorporate a particular heart wrenching scene from it in my new chapter.

The Wild Heart

I'm sure you'd recognize it if you brought Tali to the final run. =)

Nice one.

And YES I do !

Possibly one of her best lines ever. I just couldn't write this chapter without it.

She really is the brightest star that fell just for Shepard. 

[nitefyre410]

AVPen wrote...

Well, folks, break out your hankies... I uploaded the HD version of Tali & Shepard's last goodbye at the Conduit run from the EC: 

 

  

My god the feels... so many feels. 

That fits  perfectly for my  canon shepards since he does not come back but it  gets his supreme to insure she had a future. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 29 juin 2012 - 04:05 .

[ZehnWaters]

First time poster (on this thread): It was soooo touching! I'm a big Tali fan (for my M!Shep). Head-canon Toran 'Talimancer' Shepard chooses Control, but reconstitutes himself a new body on the Citadel using his newly acquired hyper-advanced knowledge (leaving a copy of his mind in the Citadel). Make me happy.

[Cheese of Borg]

exelsis wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I think that atleast one of their kids would be doner.

A donor named shepard.

But I don't really think so. It makes far more sense that the long, drawn out struggle against the reapers left all your squadmates with issues, making becoming parents a low priority. Shepard has been fighting for too long to stop now.

Yah im not saying baby now, but in a year or two:

(Inside shepard residence)


Shep is lying on the sofa with tali, pouring her some wine asl the sun sets outaide the living room window.

T:"So... why the supprise?"
S:"I'd like to add a new room to the house." Smiling, he hands her the glass.
T"You know you dont need my permission for your little projects (firstnamehere)"
S"i think i need your permission for this one..."
(Crossing her legs across his lap) "Oh? What is it" she asked, playfully.
S...(pauses) "A nursery."

And of course all shepards are diffrent, but Shep seems to be spent by the time he fires the crusible, mentally and physicly. Plus, tali would likely take a place in quarian government.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Bfler wrote...

If they would have implemented an option for everyone (pure happy end without speculations until total defeat) we wouldn't have all these discussions.

That would make sense.  And we all know The New Bioware cannot be logical.  It is not their way.  But yeah, I know.

[Tom80]

Nozzivix wrote...

http://www.fanfictio..._Final_Crucible

I put up my Tali Reunion chapter. First time writing a really romancey thing. Action is more my thing, but I hope I didn't **** up.

Not that bad.

[N7Kopper]

ZehnWaters wrote...

First time poster (on this thread): It was soooo touching! I'm a big Tali fan (for my M!Shep). Head-canon Toran 'Talimancer' Shepard chooses Control, but reconstitutes himself a new body on the Citadel using his newly acquired hyper-advanced knowledge (leaving a copy of his mind in the Citadel). Make me happy.

Must... resist... urge... to... burst... bubble...
nononno, can't do it!
When an AI transfers from one black box to another, they keep their mind and thoughts, but lose any emotional connection that they had. It's a quantum thing, according to the Codex.
The same applies to assuming direct Control of the Reapers.

So sorry, man. But Shepard's soul is offski.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

As long as "Refusal - Victory" is off the table, Destroy is really the only viable option, especially if you care about your love interest.

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

Apathy1989 wrote...

exelsis wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

Now that we know they reunite (destroy) doner sperm, or adoption?

Mutant hybrid baby.

I hate synthesis and all space magic, so no.

Tbh I would go with adoption, they war will leave alot of orphans out there especially on Earth. I imagine the Quarians are good at taking care of their own.

That said, maybe Tali would like to experience having a child of her own, so donar spern would happen. It is a magical thing that she may feel she would not want to miss out on.

Adoption makes sense. ME2 and ME3 both specifically show the parents of the quarian child named Jonah (I think) killed. That kid needs a new home...

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

N7Kopper wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

First time poster (on this thread): It was soooo touching! I'm a big Tali fan (for my M!Shep). Head-canon Toran 'Talimancer' Shepard chooses Control, but reconstitutes himself a new body on the Citadel using his newly acquired hyper-advanced knowledge (leaving a copy of his mind in the Citadel). Make me happy.

Must... resist... urge... to... burst... bubble...
nononno, can't do it!
When an AI transfers from one black box to another, they keep their mind and thoughts, but lose any emotional connection that they had. It's a quantum thing, according to the Codex.
The same applies to assuming direct Control of the Reapers.

So sorry, man. But Shepard's soul is offski.

I'm actually working on a way to fix that bc the Control ending had the best narration and I want it to work out where Tali and Shepard are reunited.

[Edolix]

^^ Agreed, adoption is the way to go.

Though, with Synthesis...since everyone and everything would be the same genetically, would that mean cross-species offspring would be possible? Like, Turian/Human, Quarian/Human, Quarian/Turian, whatever.

After some the stuff i've seen with Synthesis (like Keiji's greybox) I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Still wouldn't choose it though, lol.

[N7Kopper]

InLoveWithTaliZorah wrote...

N7Kopper wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

First time poster (on this thread): It was soooo touching! I'm a big Tali fan (for my M!Shep). Head-canon Toran 'Talimancer' Shepard chooses Control, but reconstitutes himself a new body on the Citadel using his newly acquired hyper-advanced knowledge (leaving a copy of his mind in the Citadel). Make me happy.

Must... resist... urge... to... burst... bubble...
nononno, can't do it!
When an AI transfers from one black box to another, they keep their mind and thoughts, but lose any emotional connection that they had. It's a quantum thing, according to the Codex.
The same applies to assuming direct Control of the Reapers.

So sorry, man. But Shepard's soul is offski.

I'm actually working on a way to fix that bc the Control ending had the best narration and I want it to work out where Tali and Shepard are reunited.

Altering things somehow so that Shep becomes a preserved, undecaying brain in a jar on the Citadel might work...

Modifié par N7Kopper, 29 juin 2012 - 07:27 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I still believe that Destroy allows the most room for interpretation. I'm assuming that they rebuild EDI and the geth to a pre-reaper tech state.

And there you go. Relays rebuilt, everything else rebuilt, shepard still alive.

[N7Kopper]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I still believe that Destroy allows the most room for interpretation. I'm assuming that they rebuild EDI and the geth to a pre-reaper tech state.

And there you go. Relays rebuilt, everything else rebuilt, shepard still alive.

Every synthetic would still lose their personality, so you can't rebuild EDI, you can only rebuild the Enhanced Defence Intelligence. Think about what would happen if a metal rod rammed it's way through your brain, but you survived.
The geth as a species, on the other hand? Sure, why not?

Modifié par N7Kopper, 29 juin 2012 - 07:37 .

[Bfler]

N7Kopper wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I still believe that Destroy allows the most room for interpretation. I'm assuming that they rebuild EDI and the geth to a pre-reaper tech state.

And there you go. Relays rebuilt, everything else rebuilt, shepard still alive.

Every synthetic would still lose their personality, so you can't rebuild EDI, you can only rebuild the Enhanced Defence Intelligence. Think about what would happen if a metal rod rammed it's way through your brain, but you survived.
The geth as a species, on the other hand? Sure, why not?

Nobody clearly knows what happens after destroy. Even the child can't tell you the result and there is no real clue that the old EDI or Geth are really dead forever.

And because Bioware confirmed that Keiji(the hologram) is alive in synthesis, I think nothing is impossible in the ME
universe

[N7Kopper]

Perhaps.
I'm just going off of established AI canon, however. But Synthesis is up in the air - there's never even any foreshadowing to it's possibilites or consequences. That's why it's often called "space magic"

[Apathy1989]

Edolix wrote...

^^ Agreed, adoption is the way to go.

Though, with Synthesis...since everyone and everything would be the same genetically, would that mean cross-species offspring would be possible? Like, Turian/Human, Quarian/Human, Quarian/Turian, whatever.

After some the stuff i've seen with Synthesis (like Keiji's greybox) I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Still wouldn't choose it though, lol.

Doubt it. Looked more like everyone was being modified, rather than everyone made the same. Which is a good thing.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

So anyone else here want to give my new chapter a go? If you want I'll give you the basic rundown. Shepard and crew just survived a terrorist attack on the Anderson Memorial Hospital and refugee camp. Shepard almost died, Tali thought she had lost him yet again.

That's pretty much the main things to know.

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 29 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[N7Kopper]

There's a reason I prefer not to read fic.
Even if Shepard were in a wheelchair, no mere "terrorist attack" would do anything to the guy.

It takes a direct hit from Harbinger to even slow him down, for chrissakes.

[Ryuji2]

Some of you may remember me from a month or two back, some of you may not. I haven't really posted on this thread much ever since the Tali room started back in early May...but I'll give my view of the Exended Cut(destroy ending point of view for the most part, though I did see the others), for what it's worth.

When the Extended Cut was finished downloading, I started up Mass Effect 3 on a Soldier, right before the Cerberus Base. I was told to start there, so I did. I fought through the base, killing everything at ridiculous speeds due to my experience with playing Gold constantly in MP.

Anywho, I brought Tali with me for it and her line, "You are real...real, and MINE," still touched me, even though the original endings sapped a lot out of me. After finishing the mission and getting ready to go to Earth, I was encouraged once again by Hackett's speech when all the fleets of the races I gathered were united and working together. I chose Tali and Garrus with me for the Earth mission, both in the beginning and at the end.

After the touching scene where she says, "I want more time," I knew in the back of my mind, this is where the Extended Cut was about to start. I didn't really think much of it until I successfully defended the missiles before the run to the beam. The second I saw Harbinger land down and when I started running for the beam, I felt something was different, but I couldn't explain what.

About halfway through the run, that's when it started. When the Mako flipped and almost crushed my teammates, I gasped in horror as I saw the damaged armor and the blood. When the Normandy was called(which didn't make sense as to why Harbinger didn't shoot it, but that's another story), I was stunned to hear Tali tell me to not leave her behind. When the option, "I will always love you" showed up...I paused for a moment. I wanted to click the option and I eventually did, but part of me knew it would be both heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time.

When I hit the option, when Shepard told Tali to go back to Rannoch and build herself a home...those words...felt like a stabbing wound in the heart as I watched the quarian I came to know and care for potentially tell me her last words to me.

"I have a home...come back to me..."

I'm a fairly emotional person and usually don't let stuff get to me, but I cried when she said that. I wanted so badly to go, but I knew that it wouldn't happen. When she reached out her hand, I wanted to grab it. But I knew Shepard wouldn't.

After getting shot by Harbinger and during the trip going up the beam, my heart felt like it sank. Was that really the last goodbye? I tried to shrug it off as best as I could and was helped when new dialogue and scenes of Hackett started to show up. Then there was the slightly new/tweaked dialogue between Anderson and Shepard. How Anderson got up there is still beyond me, but I was willing to look past it.

I still didn't like the conversation with TIM since it felt so out of place. Someone with questionable morals turns into a tool for the Reapers, the very thing he wanted to fight. I felt a little sad for TIM, as I did before...but even still, it slightly fell out of place.

and then there was the ascension to the Catalyst...I knew the deux ex machina would still annoy me, but I noticed that I was able to ask him questions. Who created him? Why is he doing this? What's the real purpose of the Reapers, in detail? What does the Crucible actually do? As I saw the options laid out to me, I was pleased to be able to ask questions.

The Catalyst's logic still boggled me and didn't make sense, however. He was originally created to observe the relations between synthetics and organics and try to find a way for them to coexist, and yet his solution was to use synthetics made from a collective body of organics to destroy the organics. The first Reaper was even his creators, much to their disapproval.

So he chose to destroy one of the things he wanted to preserve by turning their DNA, memories and knowledge, into a synthetic abomination of sorts whose sole purpose was to wipe out organics to prevent them from creating more synthetics. According to the Catalyst who supposedly laid out all of the options, there was no other way? I find that hard to believe. The geth and quarians made peace after a long period of conflict, why can't other synthetics?

The logic where the created will always rebel against the creator is not true in every respect. As shown by the geth consensus, the geth never wanted to fight in the first place. Merely asking questions of their existence, their purpose, became a threat to the quarians even though they never meant any harm. Would they eventually harm the quarians after learning about their creators? There's no way to fully know, although shooting at them doesn't help, as shown by the Morning War. They wanted to preserve themselves, stop themselves from being killed and even were worried about the creators who didn't agree with shutting down the geth.

That does not mean that all AI is innocent, however. As stated by Javik, the Metacon War was a war fought between the Protheans and machines similar to the geth. A race who added more and more cybernetics to themselves until they were pure machines fought against other races. The Protheans united all sorts of races together under the Prothean Empire to fight against the machines. They were turning the tide until the Reapers showed up.

Had they not shown up, the conflict between the organics and the synthetics would have been solved on its own, without Reaper interference. There would have been other ways to study AI, a learned experience to share with others about the dangers of careless AI programming.

Now, going towards the Destroy option.

There is the option to destroy all synthetics. Reapers, geth, EDI, possibly Shepard himself as well as some technology that the races of the galaxy use daily and would be hindered without.

I understand extreme options, but the death of ALL current synthetic technology? There's no way to salvage it or just target the Reapers? EDI and the geth HAVE to die, even though I've spent the majority of the Mass Effect series trying to understand and coexist with AI? You don't really learn that the geth can actually be reasoned with until you meet Legion in Mass Effect 2. It turns out, geth don't want to fight, but are forced to in order for self-preservation to occur. There actually could be peace between geth and organics, if someone pushed enough for it.

Then there's EDI. A shackled AI who later you come to learn about and relate to as a person, even if she's not an organic. After she becomes unshackled, her ties to you as one crewmate to another solidified my belief that synthetics could coexist peacefully with organics. Even moreso as she took EVA's body and started to have a personality, started to become a sentient being with emotions, motivations, goals, even dreams.

and you're asking me to take that all away in order to destroy the Reapers? Even if the only way to survive is to pick this option?

Then there's the Control option.

We've been told throughout the entire series that controlling the Reapers was beyond our understanding, that even striving for it would lead to disaster, that destroying them was the only option. We even had a conflict with the Illusive Man not 10 minutes ago, telling him that controlling the Reapers was impossible and wasn't worth the risk, even if it somehow was possible. Was sacrificing humanity on a bet to control the Reapers really worth it? No, of course not. and yet we now have this decision even though we've been told the opposite until now?

This option to me, seemed like it was a way to indoctrinate Shepard somehow, someway(before I even knew the IT existed). Even now IT doesn't seem plausible anymore and feels as if it's debunked(but again, another story).

The epilogue of this was vastly improved though I must say. Shepard sacrifices himself to make a Reaper version that carries on his memories, knowledge and goals. Admirable, though it still feels wrong to me.

Then, Synthesis.

It feels like this option came out of nowhere. Fusing synthetics and organics into a new form, a new DNA? Not to mention the fact where it's stated that until now, people just weren't ready for a jump like that. Chalk it up to space magic to allow it though. But now we can do that? Not to mention that it's done without the consent of everyone else in the galaxy, instantly changing and practically making everything known about medical technology useless, or changed in such a way to be drastically different.

Then, there's this, regarding the jump. I'll quote Mordin Solus for this. This is when he talks about the Prothean-to-Collector modification bothering him:

"Disrupts socio-technological balance. All scientific advancement due to intelligence overcoming, compensating for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement. No advancement, culture stagnates. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready...disastrous. Saw it with krogan. Uplifted by salarians. Disastrous."

If you pick this, The Reapers help rebuild and everything coexists peacefully, albeit with new tech. Sure it sounds great but it just breaks you out of the immersion so immensely to where it's hard to even believe.

Then there's Reject, where you can verbally refuse or shoot the Catalyst to initiate it. The cycle continues and all galactic civilization is wiped out for the next cycle. They fight and destroy the Reapers thanks to the warnings placed, so there is that. But it's still a pyrrhic victory of sorts. You keep your freedom and feel like you've stuck it to the man, but you'll still lose. Sure, the next cycle defeats the Reapers, but is it worth sacrificing all of current civilization to do so?

It's subjective, but I don't agree with this option, unless there was a way to defeat the Reapers in the current cycle without having to use the Crucible.

So instead, I chose Destroy, even if it meant stabbing EDI, Legion and all of the geth in the back like that. Would they understand? Possibly, but even still it feels terrible to sacrifice a race to save the many.

Here's where good things actually start though. You see the epilogue and see that galactic society is rebuilt and things essentially return to normal(though it is a bit bleak without the geth and EDI...).

In all of these endings(sans Reject) and with enough EMS, you see society gets rebuilt, your crew fixes the Normandy, and the efforts of the krogan cure and the quarians(with or without geth) bear fruit. Your crew that was with you in ME2 get their own epilogue bits to show happy endings for them as well.

But then, you see the Normandy crew standing in front of the memorial wall, with your love interest holding a plaque with Shepard's name on it. When I saw Tali holding the plaque, gently running her hand along it, I felt my heart sink once more. But she didn't place it on the wall unlike the Control and Synthesis epilogues. She felt that somehow Shepard was still alive. It gave me hope that the heavily implied reunion was possible(even though the breathe scene seems out of place now, time-wise, but still).

The memorial wall scene slightly changes in Control and Destroy, where in both Shepard's plaque is placed on the wall, but in Synthesis, your love interest hugs EDI. Admittedly it was heartwarming to see EDI express emotion like that, but still felt hollow as Shepard could not reunite with the crew.



In short, the endings were enough to satisfy the deep pit in my heart that the original endings gave me. I can once again play through the single player campaign of Mass Effect 3, but I feel that I must choose the Destroy option to have any solace. At the moment I am writing a bonus chapter or two of sorts that convey my headcanon of a high EMS Destroy Ending, where the geth and possibly even EDI survives or are rebuilt...still ironing out the details and logic however.

Modifié par Ryuji2, 29 juin 2012 - 09:12 .

[Darman]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So anyone else here want to give my new chapter a go? If you want I'll give you the basic rundown. Shepard and crew just survived a terrorist attack on the Anderson Memorial Hospital and refugee camp. Shepard almost died, Tali thought she had lost him yet again.

That's pretty much the main things to know.

Not really, yes?
I just wanted to give your whole story a try and copied it to my ereader. Thought it was some ME3 Aftermath story. Now terrorist attack? that sounds odd.

[Edolix]

Well said, Ryuj. And yes, I remember you from my days of lurking =P

Ryuji2 wrote...
In short, the endings were enough to satisfy the deep pit in my heart that the original endings gave me. I can once again play through the single player campaign of Mass Effect 3, but I feel that I must choose the Destroy option to have any solace. At the moment I am writing a bonus chapter or two of sorts that convey my headcanon of a high EMS Destroy Ending, where the geth and possibly even EDI survives or are rebuilt...still ironing out the details and logic however.

Pretty much my take on it aswell. I've seen the other endings, and Destroy is the only one I can really choose. Destroying the Geth and EDI sucks, sure...but i'm not going to lose sleep over it. They can be rebuilt, even if they won't be the same as they were before.

I also agree about the EC removing the foul taste that the original endings left in my mouth. However, i'm still not completely satisified. We don't have that reunion, regardless of whether it's implied to happen or not. If we had that reunion, i'd be completely ecstatic about the EC. As it is, i'm not completely over the moon about it.

[Exozze]

Good post Ryuji. I felt the sameway, the goodbyes, and the memorial scene was really heartbreaking. There is however another thing that implies a reunion. We can't se it, because we have Tali. If you have Liara, she does the same thing with the name tag, but before the camera fades away, she smiles, a lot. In Synthesis and control, she cries.

Modifié par Exozze, 29 juin 2012 - 09:19 .

[Darman]

replied on your post in the Tali room, Ryuji. good stuff.

[Savakka1]

Exozze wrote...

Good post Ryuji. I felt the sameway, the goodbyes, and the memorial scene was really heartbreaking. There is however another thing that implies a reunion. We can't se it, because we have Tali. If you have Liara, she does the same thing with the name tag, but before the camera fades away, she smiles, a lot. In Synthesis and control, she cries.

And to be honest, Tali didn't seem all that sad in the end of that scene, when she did look rather sad in the beginning.