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So I just watched the scene where Shala'Raan shoots herself on Youtube.

Tali's suicide was absolutely horrible and I refuse to watch that scene again for the life of me - once is enough, never again. Admiral Raan's however.... it was just so "meh" worthy that I barely batted an eyelid. In fact, i'd go as far to say that I almost found it amusing. Here's a link for anyone who hasn't seen it - note that the destruction of the quarian flotilla was cut out, so the only quarian you actually see dying is Raan. So it's safe to watch...I guess.

Out of curiosity, am I the only person who generally doesn't like Raan? The other Admirals I can deal with, but Raan...she appalls me. She has no backbone, and seems incapable of standing up for herself. Even Gerrel, with his reckless and idiotic behaviour, is at least honest about it and has a spine enough to stand up for his own actions. Raan doesn't; she just seems to sway with the wind - it's almost as if she's pushed around by the other Admirals. I'd even go as far as saying that I prefer Xen to Raan, and Xen really makes my skin crawl. I guess that's why I really didn't give two turds when I watched that scene with Raan shooting herself.

If I were to rank the quarian Admirals, this is how it would be:

- Tali
- Koris



- Gerrel

- Xen




- Raan

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Edolix wrote...

So I just watched the scene where Shala'Raan shoots herself on Youtube.

Tali's suicide was absolutely horrible and I refuse to watch that scene again for the life of me - once is enough, never again. Admiral Raan's however.... it was just so "meh" worthy that I barely batted an eyelid. In fact, i'd go as far to say that I almost found it amusing. Here's a link for anyone who hasn't seen it - note that the destruction of the quarian flotilla was cut out, so the only quarian you actually see dying is Raan. So it's safe to watch...I guess.

Out of curiosity, am I the only person who generally doesn't like Raan? The other Admirals I can deal with, but Raan...she appalls me. She has no backbone, and seems incapable of standing up for herself. Even Gerrel, with his reckless and idiotic behaviour, is at least honest about it and has a spine enough to stand up for his own actions. Raan doesn't; she just seems to sway with the wind - it's almost as if she's pushed around by the other Admirals. I'd even go as far as saying that I prefer Xen to Raan, and Xen really makes my skin crawl. I guess that's why I really didn't give two turds when I watched that scene with Raan shooting herself.

If I were to rank the quarian Admirals, this is how it would be:

- Tali
- Koris



- Gerrel

- Xen




- Raan





Some people do have personalities like this, but it would have been better to see her "do more".

I don't know why they didn't have her trying to call off Garrel like Tali does, that seemed strange. Or have her try to actually "stop" legion from uploading the code. But I guess that just goes with her current character...stand there and do nothing. This whole scene really didn't flow all that well at all like it does with Tali present.

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Bfler wrote...

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That's very interesting. Seems like there were a lot of ideas for ME3's story originally that got scrapped and replaced in favor of simpler, more "conventional" Hollywood-esque storytelling.


Except in case of the ending. There they tried it the other way round, and failed.


At least they "fixed" it... :(

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Not all those are really negatives. I don't see a problem with throwing the reapers at you at the beginning of the game, showing the player how powerful their enemies are.

They wanted to bring about the feeling of desperation, why not throw an unstoppable army on Earth right in the first few minutes. Itself it isn't bad, but considering the previous games and how your choices were supposed to massively influence the third game, they could have done something more varied.
But I don't blame them, to handle so many possibilities that would branch further into so many more would be pain in the ass to make.:pinched:

Bioware vastly improved the ending. Those complaints aren't really viable.

Indeed, they vastly improved the existing endings so the major plotholes, inside the ending, are sealed.
But if you look at the series as a whole, the ending still doesn't work and discards or breaks many things that previously happened throughout the entire ME.

Ever since the EC came out and I heard the Catalyst talk like Harbinger I have believed that Harbinger is the Catalyst and he is messing with Shep by portraying himself as that boy, and trying to keep Shep from destroying the reapers, etc.

Nah, he's not.
First of all, he doesn't sound like Harbinger, similar, but not the same.
And the kid said that his creators became the first Reaper (Harbinger) and that they did not approve of the Reapers in the first place.
Of course he could lie, but in that case we could question every other single word he said, and go back to the Indoctrination theory, because if it was real and the one speaking really was Harby trying to prevent us from destroying them, he wouldn't offer us the destroy option, or made it sound like a really horrible choice, to me it sounds like the best one. :D

There were a ton of romance options, no other developer that I know of has even attempted such a feat. I do believe that the LI's are treated way too unevenly. I didn't even romance Liara and I feel like she was getting more attention than everyone else.

Completely agree with this, Tali needs a House on Rannoch DLC.:P

Honestly everyone should be happy that Bioware cares about their fans... Most developers really would just tell everyone to suck it up and get over.

Well, most developers didn't screw up as much as Bioware did with the ending.<_<
But I can see your point.

Bioware actually listened and they've been doing something about it.

True, they listened, but I'm not sure to who, since they completely missed the point of most of the concerns.
As far as I know, the main problems, the god-kid, organics vs. synthetics sub-theme (which was resolved in 2/3 of the game on Rannoch by the way), still remains.
Plus the incredibly annoying rant about artisic integrity, that ending doesn't have any integrity whatsoever in relation to the rest of ME. (kinda exaggeration, but that's sometimes needed)

They also have been passing out free DLC. :D

Of course they've been, most of it MP DLCs to appease the fans and buy some time, then EC, because they had no other option, if they had wanted fans to pay for it, most of them would send them somewhere...

*deep sigh*

Now, let's head back to Tali, shall we?:wub:
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I feel sad that they neglected to make romance scenes for Tali in ME1. If they did, ME1 would come full-circle for me and I wouldn't have to worry about 2 or 3 as much. ME1 had everything you needed to make a unique sci-fi game great except that. And all because of, what...chicken feet? Or legs? I like Tali's form completely, I can't really find any complaints about her limbs or body. Legs, feet, hands, arms, torso, neck, head, I like what I see. It's the personality that wins me over completely, though, and why I loved Tali so much in the first place. Sometimes I wonder if I played ME2 and ME3 only because I loved Tali and wanted to see the relationship develop...

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Edolix wrote...

So I just watched the scene where Shala'Raan shoots herself on Youtube.

Tali's suicide was absolutely horrible and I refuse to watch that scene again for the life of me - once is enough, never again. Admiral Raan's however.... it was just so "meh" worthy that I barely batted an eyelid. In fact, i'd go as far to say that I almost found it amusing. Here's a link for anyone who hasn't seen it - note that the destruction of the quarian flotilla was cut out, so the only quarian you actually see dying is Raan. So it's safe to watch...I guess.

Out of curiosity, am I the only person who generally doesn't like Raan? The other Admirals I can deal with, but Raan...she appalls me. She has no backbone, and seems incapable of standing up for herself. Even Gerrel, with his reckless and idiotic behaviour, is at least honest about it and has a spine enough to stand up for his own actions. Raan doesn't; she just seems to sway with the wind - it's almost as if she's pushed around by the other Admirals. I'd even go as far as saying that I prefer Xen to Raan, and Xen really makes my skin crawl. I guess that's why I really didn't give two turds when I watched that scene with Raan shooting herself.


Looked it up long ago.
Her scene is by far too weak.
The shot is nearly not audible (or better to quiet for me), her head twitchs too early and there is no blood.

Raan always seemed to be the cautious admiral of the four.
After all she is "just" coordinates the supplies and "just" the patrol fleet.

She is Tali's second mother and therefore I can't dislike her !

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Ah yes, Shala'Raan. If there's one other quarian id love to see behind the mask, it would have to be her. She seems fascinating, but doesn't get the amount of attention she really deserves. Then again, I couldn't live without Tali, so such scenes would never happen. But even she cannot even come close to Tali, the queen of the migrant fleet and passionate lover of Shepard. Tali deserves a throne. And a suit with a full nerve system that can simulate any part of her body. And Shepard. Which doubles as her home. Along with a huge list of things to satisfy her mind, body and all other aspects of her. Before, she hardly got half of what she needed, now it's time to give her everything that she wants!

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Raan seems to be the stabilising element on the Admiralty board. All the other members have very radical viewpoints and opinions, and although she comes across as 'swaying with the wind,' I still think it is important to have one person who has more balanced viewpoints and can look at other perceptions objectively.

Even Tali is more shows more radical beliefs in concerns with the geth.

Also, I have been gone from this forum a while, looks like a lot of new faces and only a couple of old faces from when I used to post. :)

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Tasha Nar Rayya wrote...

Raan seems to be the stabilising element on the Admiralty board. All the other members have very radical viewpoints and opinions, and although she comes across as 'swaying with the wind,' I still think it is important to have one person who has more balanced viewpoints and can look at other perceptions objectively.

It would be important in real life.
But not in this situation. Raan just comes across as a wrong genre savvy idiot. And she's not that "impartial" either. She didn't abstain from the war vote, after all.
Provided the player isn't screwing up or being cruel, you have two groups of people. Those who share Commander Shepard's opinion, and those who are wrong. No exceptions. That's the impact of metagaming. (Well, except the final choice, anyone who doesn't like the ending should look up what a "moral choice" is actually meant to mean, and also take off their blinkers. There are no significant plot holes. Seriously. I'm an EU buff and everything - though not as much as some people, most likely more than almost everyone)

Organics vs Synthetics? Not a story theme. The Catalyst is projecting. The Catalyst is the only significant AI who rebelled against the creator, as opposed to being attacked by it. (Even the Zha-Til, we only have Javik's word for, and I think it's worth what I paid for it)
Refusal? If we could pull that off, the Crucible wouldn't even have been thought of.

But enough about whiny types. Time for Tali.

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Let's see if Bioware/EA will want to make more money by making that ROmance DLC that survey was all about.
Never had to deal with Raan because I have my Tali. And it sounds like I want to keep it that way.
So... any design ideas for the house on Rannoch?

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Glorious HUGS!

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Tali doesn't need a home on Rannoch, she already has a home.


...Only reason I chose the Destroy ending is so that Shepard lives and can return to Tali. >_>

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BrysonC wrote...

Tali doesn't need a home on Rannoch, she already has a home.


...Only reason I chose the Destroy ending is so that Shepard lives and can return to Tali. >_>


Hold on... I have something in my eye.... whenever I remember that line..... *blows nose into a tissue*

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

BrysonC wrote...

Tali doesn't need a home on Rannoch, she already has a home.


...Only reason I chose the Destroy ending is so that Shepard lives and can return to Tali. >_>


Hold on... I have something in my eye.... whenever I remember that line..... *blows nose into a tissue*


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This, this, and more of this.
:o:D

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BrysonC wrote...

Tali doesn't need a home on Rannoch, she already has a home.


...Only reason I chose the Destroy ending is so that Shepard lives and can return to Tali. >_>



As Renegade as that sounds............I'm okay with that !Posted Image

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Tom80 wrote...

BrysonC wrote...

Tali doesn't need a home on Rannoch, she already has a home.


...Only reason I chose the Destroy ending is so that Shepard lives and can return to Tali. >_>



As Renegade as that sounds............I'm okay with that !Posted Image


It doesn't seem renegade if you black out everything that happens in between making the destroy decision and the dialogue where Tali says I have a home.

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Strelsky wrote...

It doesn't seem renegade if you black out everything that happens in between making the destroy decision and the dialogue where Tali says I have a home.


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BrysonC wrote...

Tali doesn't need a home on Rannoch, she already has a home.


...Only reason I chose the Destroy ending is so that Shepard lives and can return to Tali. >_>


Best comment!

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forthary wrote...

I feel sad that they neglected to make romance scenes for Tali in ME1. If they did, ME1 would come full-circle for me and I wouldn't have to worry about 2 or 3 as much. ME1 had everything you needed to make a unique sci-fi game great except that.

Well, first of all, in theory, since Tali was still on her pilgrimage, she still wasn't an adult, at least from quarian traditions' point of view. But that aside, we have at least something to look forward to everytime we play ME from the start.^_^

Sometimes I wonder if I played ME2 and ME3 only because I loved Tali and wanted to see the relationship develop...

I played it from the start  to especially see the Reaper's terrible secrets revealed. They were indeed terrible, though not in the mysterious kind of way, rather disappointing.<_<
But ever since ME2 the same deal of my attention was focused on Tali's romance and it's development.

N7Kopper wrote...

(Well, except the final choice, anyone who doesn't like the ending should look up what a "moral choice" is actually meant to mean, and also take off their blinkers. There are no significant plot holes. Seriously. I'm an EU buff and everything - though not as much as some people, most likely more than almost everyone)

I know well what a moral choice is and still don't like the ending, problem? :P
The problem is not with moral choice, but elsewhere.
First there's the problem of choice itself wich renders the promise of varied endings not being distinguishable as A, B, C... nonexistent.
Then there's the theme twist to something that has been resolved in 2/3 of the game which happens barely 20 minutes before the end, not a smart place for theme twist.
The very existence of the Catalyst, him being directly connected to the Citadel and controlling the Reapers makes Sovereign's efforts in ME1 ridiculous and unnecessary, since the god-child could have done it himself.
The purpose of the Reapers - preserving all advanced organic (and synthetic?) civilizations in the form of a Reaper - makes no sense in relation to Harbinger's goals in ME2 (He clearly favors humans and deems other races insufficient), and to Collector's existence = No Prothean Reaper (But that could be explained otherwise)

Those are the ones I can come up with right now...:huh:

The Catalyst is the only significant AI who rebelled against the creator, as opposed to being attacked by it.

The only significant, and since it's creators probably dealt successfully with the problem several times, the very first one to actually succeed in exterminating its creators. Shows his own hypocrisy.<_<

Refusal? If we could pull that off, the Crucible wouldn't even have been thought of.

But enough about whiny types. Time for Tali.

*TaliShep snip*

The Crucible could be a trap, would make much more sense in the long run. In that case it would be another precaution by the Reapers. With so many precautions they probably wouldn't be so invincible, otherwise there would be no need for them.

This forum really needs spoiler tags.<_<

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BrysonC wrote...

Tali doesn't need a home on Rannoch, she already has a home.

...Only reason I chose the Destroy ending is so that Shepard lives and can return to Tali. >_>

They say that love is selfish...
I promised her house on her homeworld, she wished for more time with me, she asked me to come back to her...
I would go to the end of the galaxy and back if I had to, only to fulfill that promise.:wub:
Luckily it didn't come down to that, but I had to sacrifice EDI and the Geth to fulfill it.:unsure:
But I'm an optimist, so I believe they can be repaired somehow.^_^

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Just found this:

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There aren’t enough Tali and Legion pics in my opinion.

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Shep: "Need some help?":P

This should be a theme for Tali/Shepard!

 

Nat King Cole, Love me as though there were no tomarow!:wub:

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