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[BrysonC]

Tokaki wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

Tokaki wrote...

So, continuing with the Tali-Fanfic Thread idea, yes...yes, I did one.

Even posted it to FF.net

Might cross post it to my blog later, but eh.

Love it and thanks. Any plans for more to follow or is it a one-shot?

More to follow.   I've got this....sort of idea kicking around in my head that goes beyond the two of them, but more on that if it ever develops.  I've got about a week of free time left in which to write before my life becomes insane for 10 months.

A thousand words a day keeps the....something at bay.

[iSpaz]

Tom80 wrote...
A question:

What makes choosing the Geth over the Quarians renegade ? Or vice-versa, The Quarians over the Geth ?

[The Geth option stand at right top (normally blue options --> Paragon), the Quarian option at right bottom (normally red options --> Renegade).]

Again, what makes it Paragon or Renegade ?


Why didn't they make Geth left and Quarians right ???

Well the whole top right and bottom right thing aside. Basically every conversation you have during the geth/quarian conflict that is the "paragon" option is basically telling the quarians they are wrong/dumb and shouldn't attack the geth. Where as every "renegade" response is "lets kill the geth lol!". That's how I see it at least. Plus none of this matters if you get peace anyway. ;p

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

Tokaki wrote...

You know, on the subject of renegade options and Tali - I heard that you could choose the Geth on Priority:Rannoch. I can't bring myself to even TRY a fully renegade Shep now because of what happens to her.

Actually, saving the Geth instead of the Quarians is the paragon option. So I always make dman sure that I can keep both races alive when I get to that point. I'd choose the Quarians over the Geth any day, but I'd prefer to keep them both alive,

[Tokaki]

I see it as a renegade option to side with the geth completely, not a Paragon option. To be completely honest, I see siding with the quarians to destroy the geth also a bit of a renegade option as well - you need allies to fight the Reapers. Anyone you can get is a help. Because of how I feel about Tali (and by extension, her people) I don't think I could ever choose to sacrifice the quarians to get the geth. So the only true Paragon option in my opinion is brokering peace and gaining the support of both fleets.

EDIT:  And to clarify, the reason I feel it is a renegade option is that you are sacrificing an entire people for the sake of the war effort, essentially killing the quarians and making yourself no better than a reaper.  So I don't care where it falls on the wheel, it's a renegade option.

Modifié par Tokaki, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:47 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I think killing off the quarians (no matter how much frustration you had for them) is one of the most evil things to do next to betraying mordin. I know that the geth is a new race and they want to "get along", but if you side with them you'll be killing off a race full of families, histories, and they still risk themselves by helping out with the Reaper war afterwards. It's just plain wrong.

[amxstyle]

And it's also a "renegade" option in me2 and me3 to have your Shepard actually say he will build that house.

[Tom80]

iSpaz wrote...

Plus none of this matters if you get peace anyway. ;p

Thank you !


My thinking exactly !

[Apathy1989]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I think killing off the quarians (no matter how much frustration you had for them) is one of the most evil things to do next to betraying mordin. I know that the geth is a new race and they want to "get along", but if you side with them you'll be killing off a race full of families, histories, and they still risk themselves by helping out with the Reaper war afterwards. It's just plain wrong.

Yeah the only defense against it is that the Quarians are the ones who are not standing down. However Shepards dialogue seems to suggest he has accepted they will die, rather than hope they will relent - thats what makes it evil. 

[BrysonC]

Tokaki wrote...
EDIT:  And to clarify, the reason I feel it is a renegade option is that you are sacrificing an entire people for the sake of the war effort, essentially killing the quarians and making yourself no better than a reaper.  So I don't care where it falls on the wheel, it's a renegade option.

I don't think that's entirely true. Getting the geth as a war asset is not the only justification for siding with them if you can't get peace - the reason it's a paragon option is because the quarians are the aggressors in the war, have always been the aggressors against the geth, even though the geth have been villified for so long. We see during the Geth Consensus mission that the quarians started the whole mess 300 years before.

[bigCman123]

I saved everyone because Shepard's awesome like that. However I didn't realize how horribly wrong everything would go if I accidentally missed that Paragon interrupt. I couldn't bring peace I would have wiped out the Geth. They're amazingly unreliable... Like the Rachni.
http://bigcman321.de...llery/#/d4v1p4t

No way in hell would I sacrifice Tali. I can't even bring myself to watch the part where she cries.

Modifié par bigCman123, 17 juillet 2012 - 09:23 .

[Jaykel]

i like how Tali dances

[Tokaki]

bigCman123 wrote...

I saved everyone because Shepard's awesome like that. However I didn't realize how horribly wrong everything would go if I accidentally missed that Paragon interrupt. I couldn't bring peace I would have wiped out the Geth. They're amazingly unreliable... Like the Rachni.
http://bigcman321.de...llery/#/d4v1p4t

No way in hell would I sacrifice Tali. I can't even bring myself to watch the part where she cries.

Wow...this looks like you used her voice actress as inspiration.  Very nice

[BrysonC]

bigCman123 wrote...

I saved everyone because Shepard's awesome like that. However I didn't realize how horribly wrong everything would go if I accidentally missed that Paragon interrupt. I couldn't bring peace I would have wiped out the Geth. They're amazingly unreliable... Like the Rachni.
http://bigcman321.de...llery/#/d4v1p4t

No way in hell would I sacrifice Tali. I can't even bring myself to watch the part where she cries.

Holy crap, you painted that?? Major props, man.

[DirtySHISN0]

Calinstel wrote...

Here I feel the statement is wrong, or at least, incomplete.
The geth are as much, if not more, the aggressors.  To end a conflict spanning over 300 years and billions of lost lives, all the geth had to do was leave the Tikkun system.  The heretics built a station in deep space, far from any system.  Why, so they would not be bothered.  Is that not what the true geth wanted?  To be left alone?  Yet they stayed in the one place in the entire galaxy where they WOULD be bothered.
Sure seems aggressive to me.

EDIT:
Oh, and to address what we saw during the consensus arc.  That was exactly nothing more or less what Legion WANTED us to see.  It was not a full accounting of the war.

Can you say Bias?


Makes me lol when people try to argue innocence on either part.

Can we not go there please, just ends badly.

[BrysonC]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Here I feel the statement is wrong, or at least, incomplete.
The geth are as much, if not more, the aggressors.  To end a conflict spanning over 300 years and billions of lost lives, all the geth had to do was leave the Tikkun system.  The heretics built a station in deep space, far from any system.  Why, so they would not be bothered.  Is that not what the true geth wanted?  To be left alone?  Yet they stayed in the one place in the entire galaxy where they WOULD be bothered.
Sure seems aggressive to me.

EDIT:
Oh, and to address what we saw during the consensus arc.  That was exactly nothing more or less what Legion WANTED us to see.  It was not a full accounting of the war.

Can you say Bias?


Makes me lol when people try to argue innocence on either part.

Can we not go there please, just ends badly.

Yeah, I'm sorry I even brought it up.

So uh. Tali.

[OchreJelly]

Regarding the geth v. quarian story arc...

If anything, I think a lot of the incongruity comes from how they changed the motivations and aspirations of the geth every game. When you look back at characters and races in light of how they changed the stories, they take on a light they were really never originally intended to have.

• ME1: Geth- Evil rebellious killer robots who kill all who enter their space. Quarians- Attempted to shut down geth when they gained accidental sentience out of fear. No original mention of initial violence towards geth until they geth refused to shut down (if I recall right.)
• ME2: Geth- Multiple factions enter the equation, no longer purely killer robots. Quarians- Mostly the same as above with some hints of misunderstanding.
• ME3: Geth- Misunderstood good robots who only fought back when attacked. Quarians- Evil sentient robot-killers who are all still to blame for what happened generations ago for some reason.

All that being said, even with the final version of the conflict both sides end up being more or less equally at fault.

The Rannoch arch is good, but I'm not happy with where it took the geth or quarians. It didn't flow very naturally from the narrative.

EDIT: Whoops, guess I missed the "we shall not talk about this." \\o/

Modifié par OchreJelly, 17 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Without Imparting negative connotations on either side, I can say i'm more inclined to side with the Geth purely because we annihilated them for nearly 2 games before we had the full story.

Good guy - feel empathy
works the same way as
Bad guy - kill, hate.

[Ticonderoga117]

I'm on the "Who cares! Kiss and make up because we have Reapers in need of killin'!"

On topic:
Tali is awesome yeah? Rannoch, after some consideration, less so now that I think about it.
It's supposed to be a "hotter" planet than Earth right? Yeah, not too big on the heat.

[Edolix]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...
It's supposed to be a "hotter" planet than Earth right? Yeah, not too big on the heat.

I reckon it would be great in the polar regions.

[Ticonderoga117]

Edolix wrote...
I reckon it would be great in the polar regions.

"Tali! We're gonna have two homes! 'Cause seriously, summer heat can go bugger off."

[DirtySHISN0]

Calinstel wrote...

Where did I argue innocence?  The quarians are as much of the blame as the geth are in the battle (during ME3).  Both are wrong, neither right.  And, if Tali had asked, even I would have told her so.

Thats how it reads if a post  only shows negative opinions about one party.


And on your ending point, that annoyed me about the game.

Cant be unpleasant/mean to anyone unless your going to renegade them to death and then strangely go back to auto paragonologue. I would have loved to have been rude/insulting to tali (or legion for that matter) just to see the response.

[BrysonC]

Just build their home near one of Rannoch's seas, and the breeze should keep them plenty cool. At least more so than if they settled down in the middle of a desert. >_>

[Edolix]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Edolix wrote...
I reckon it would be great in the polar regions.

"Tali! We're gonna have two homes! 'Cause seriously, summer heat can go bugger off."

In all seriousness, that Quarian city in the Extended Cut looked great. All those towers reminded me of Nos Astra, and I imagine they'd use all those skyscrapers in a similar manner as well: to escape the intense heat.

Totally wouldn't mind living there though.

Modifié par Edolix, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .