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[BrysonC]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Hey, what's going on?

Dragon_Claw wrote...
*OH GAWD MY EYES PT. 2*

Not AGAIN!

Apparently, we've reached the point where all we have to discuss are disturbing pictures and Tali's hips. xD

[Ticonderoga117]

BrysonC wrote...

Apparently, we've reached the point where all we have to discuss are disturbing pictures and Tali's hips. xD

Fan-tast-ic.

[amxstyle]

New RE chapter out!

http://www.fanfictio...t/s/7952484/14/

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

God damn Hans Zimmers for that Deshi Basara song. I now have it stuck in my head, and whenever I think of Shepard rising out of the rubble to find Tali that song plays in my head. Aaaaaaaagh.

[Tom80]

Tokaki wrote...

I have completed chapter 2 of my fanfic (and had my wife edit it for me. There are advantages to being married to an English major. )

If you would like to read it, go here:
http://www.fanfictio...struction<br />


EDIT:  I just fixed it so that there are line-breaks to clarify where the story breaks up and moves from place to place.

No home on Rannoch ?????

[Tom80]

amxstyle wrote...

New RE chapter out!

http://www.fanfictio...t/s/7952484/14/

Yep !

And want more already !!!!!

[BrysonC]

I hope this question doesn't sound rude, as I'm just curious. But: why do so many fanfics just retell the events of the video games? I'm not bashing on it at all, as I think a lot of them do it in entertaining ways.

[Apathy1989]

BrysonC wrote...

I hope this question doesn't sound rude, as I'm just curious. But: why do so many fanfics just retell the events of the video games? I'm not bashing on it at all, as I think a lot of them do it in entertaining ways.

Lack of creativity, plus basing in games events means the reader already is aware of the events preceeding the fanfic and does not need to be descibed everything that is going on.

Personally I hate fanfics that copy ingame line-by-line, but love ones that twist the original stories to something new. Like "Family Doesn't End with Blood", how he has twisted it so Shepard goes to the Quarian fleet after Freedoms Progress.

[Dragon_Claw]

Nozzivix wrote...

Tali and Shepard are Teleported to the Fallout universe and Tali has a food converter so she can eat the various foods in the wastes.

Cool. You got that ending too!

[Tokaki]

Tom80 wrote...

Tokaki wrote...

I have completed chapter 2 of my fanfic (and had my wife edit it for me. There are advantages to being married to an English major. )

If you would like to read it, go here:
http://www.fanfictio...struction<br />


EDIT:  I just fixed it so that there are line-breaks to clarify where the story breaks up and moves from place to place.

No home on Rannoch ?????

Fear not, my good man, there is a plan!   

Actually, one of the things that bugs me sometimes is how little fanfic writers (not any here, that I've seen - but I've been reading fanfic for many, many years) seem to understand the military and the military lifestyle.  BioWare gets it:  In order to give Shepard the freedom to go where HE wants and take care of the things HE feels are important (giving you the ability to do side-missions) is by making you a Spectre.  They can do whatever they want, whenever they want, according to Citadel Council policy.

His companions are granted some of the same freedoms - especially Tali, who is given leave because of the idea that there is this 'greater threat' present that the enemy of the quarians has worked with before - (If the Reapers do come, it could be argued in ME2, the geth WILL side with them.  You learn otherwise through the course of the game, but you haven't met Legion yet when you pickup Tali on Haegstrom)

But after the war, after the destroy ending, there is no reason to assume that the fleet wouldn't go, "OK, We're headed back to Rannoch, Tali.  Let's go."   Even with Shepard still alive, Tali is a woman of duty.  It's one of the more frustratingly endearing things about her.  I mean, she loves Shep, but when he goes to Earth to turn himself in after Arrival, she doesn't go with him.  She goes back to her people.  Why?  Because she has a duty to them, and even though her heart goes out to Shepard and she wishes she could be with him, supporting him (he's facing the effective end of his career at best, relegated to a desk job.  At worst he's facing being handed over to the Hegemony) but she doesn't stay with him - she has her duty.

That's why the only way I saw her being allowed to stay with the Normandy was to take her out of that military that might require her.    But DO NOT WORRY.  There IS a plan  She will have that house on Rannoch that she doesn't really want.  (Notice that both her father and Shep promise her a home on Rannoch....but at the very end, when she's leaving on the Normandy, it's very clear to me that her home is wherever he is.)

[Tokaki]

Apathy1989 wrote...

BrysonC wrote...

I hope this question doesn't sound rude, as I'm just curious. But: why do so many fanfics just retell the events of the video games? I'm not bashing on it at all, as I think a lot of them do it in entertaining ways.

Lack of creativity, plus basing in games events means the reader already is aware of the events preceeding the fanfic and does not need to be descibed everything that is going on.

Personally I hate fanfics that copy ingame line-by-line, but love ones that twist the original stories to something new. Like "Family Doesn't End with Blood", how he has twisted it so Shepard goes to the Quarian fleet after Freedoms Progress.

Yeah, I'm with you on this one.   

@BrysonC - Sometimes in playing the game, I saw certain points within the story where I felt like MY Shep wouldn't do that, or would've handled that differently.   Like with Charr and Ereba in ME3.  I think I would've done more to comfort her.  After all, I did get them together in ME2. 

I have an idea about that.  More later.

[Tom80]

Tokaki wrote...

Fear not, my good man, there is a plan!   

Actually, one of the things that bugs me sometimes is how little fanfic writers (not any here, that I've seen - but I've been reading fanfic for many, many years) seem to understand the military and the military lifestyle.  BioWare gets it:  In order to give Shepard the freedom to go where HE wants and take care of the things HE feels are important (giving you the ability to do side-missions) is by making you a Spectre.  They can do whatever they want, whenever they want, according to Citadel Council policy.

His companions are granted some of the same freedoms - especially Tali, who is given leave because of the idea that there is this 'greater threat' present that the enemy of the quarians has worked with before - (If the Reapers do come, it could be argued in ME2, the geth WILL side with them.  You learn otherwise through the course of the game, but you haven't met Legion yet when you pickup Tali on Haegstrom)

But after the war, after the destroy ending, there is no reason to assume that the fleet wouldn't go, "OK, We're headed back to Rannoch, Tali.  Let's go."   Even with Shepard still alive, Tali is a woman of duty.  It's one of the more frustratingly endearing things about her.  I mean, she loves Shep, but when he goes to Earth to turn himself in after Arrival, she doesn't go with him.  She goes back to her people.  Why?  Because she has a duty to them, and even though her heart goes out to Shepard and she wishes she could be with him, supporting him (he's facing the effective end of his career at best, relegated to a desk job.  At worst he's facing being handed over to the Hegemony) but she doesn't stay with him - she has her duty.

That's why the only way I saw her being allowed to stay with the Normandy was to take her out of that military that might require her.    But DO NOT WORRY.  There IS a plan  She will have that house on Rannoch that she doesn't really want.  (Notice that both her father and Shep promise her a home on Rannoch....but at the very end, when she's leaving on the Normandy, it's very clear to me that her home is wherever he is.)

[SilverEchidna]

Finally getting around to doing part 2 of my Epilogue. Having the Olympics to watch helps with that (don't know why, but I need something else passively going on in order to write, and watching the Olympics helps with that).

EDIT: Renamed it too. Epilogue Extended Cut just seemed kind of bland.

Modifié par SilverEchidna, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:13 .

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

BrysonC wrote...

I hope this question doesn't sound rude, as I'm just curious. But: why do so many fanfics just retell the events of the video games? I'm not bashing on it at all, as I think a lot of them do it in entertaining ways.

I can't speak for anyone else or any other game, but one of my fanfics follows the storyline of ME3 fairly faithfully because it is such a good story and I want to use my writing to personalize it and improve certain aspects, but not destroy the gold that is already there. That's one reason I started writing two fanfics. One follows the story of ME3 but is changed a bit for personalization and such, the other is effectively headcannon after the EC Ending.
Perhaps other people feel the same way.

[TheWerdna]

*squees* New chapter of Razor's Edge

Edit: Apparently I was ninjaed by 9 hours... I should probably have read the previous page.

Modifié par TheWerdna, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[Tairis Deamhan]

Wow, it's been a bloody long time since I've posted on these forums. But, a long day at work at the end of the month lured me into lurking... and I've never been good at keeping my mouth shut.

Tokaki wrote...

Fear not, my good man, there is a plan!   

*huge snip*

Well thought out, but I'd point out one flaw in the reasoning which is another error I've seen in many fics: military structures and regulations are not uniform across species. The information we have on the quarian government and military structure would actually run counter to this as Tali's ship name is legally recognized as 'vas Normandy'.

Since a captain's authority seems absolute in quarian society it would actually prevent Tali from being 'ordered back' by the quarian military unless they forcibly removed her ship name and changed it to another one. The fact that she has a human/spectre commanded ship name actually leads to all kinds of legal questions that BW never really examined I'm sure.

As always whenever you're writing a story, though, liberties are taken to make things interesting.

BrysonC wrote...

I hope this question doesn't sound rude,
as I'm just curious. But: why do so many fanfics just retell the events
of the video games? I'm not bashing on it at all, as I think a lot of
them do it in entertaining ways.

I think it varies depending on what kind of story one is trying to tell. Full AU fanfics tend to focus on taking familiar personalities and putting them in situations that normally wouldn't occur and seeing what happens, very much akin to the old Marvel 'What if' comics. Sometimes it turns out those different takes as just as good as the original.

Other fics are 'fill in the blank' fics that just deal with the things that aren't focused on in the game (downtime between missions beyond the set dialogue, character histories).

In the case of Razor's Edge I personally went with an all in one sort of approach because I felt it provided a more coherent picture than going for a particular style. You can expand on characters quite a bit in the 'between' scenes, but at the same time how they act and react in some of the in game scenes are also great moments to do more with them than Bioware did.

[18 Brains]

Well said, Tairis. I personally enjoy the all in one approach, as it gives more depth to the characters and also allows you to help fill in the visuals of the scene with what you already witnessed in the games. Expansion is always good, and there were certainly plenty of scenes that could have had more to them.

[BrysonC]

Interesting explanations. While I still can't personally imagine spending a significant amount of time essentially re-reading the events of the ME games, like I said before I'm not bashing on those fics and think a lot of them seem to be done very well.

@18 Brains, I saw your review on my own fic the other day, thanks much for that.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

You know, I'd just like to say that I'm one of the people who believed in the "space elf" look for quarians. Not because "OMG Tali has to be hot or I kill you!" but because it's just the picture that I've always had in my mind for them. Human-like, with a caucasian skin tone, long black hair (for Tali anyway), slender features, slim eyes, and of course those unique quarian appendages.

No gray or purple skin.  Definitely not purple!  I could show a pic of what I'm talking about, except it's technically pr0nz, so I can't.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[Tairis Deamhan]

BrysonC wrote...

Interesting explanations. While I still can't personally imagine spending a significant amount of time essentially re-reading the events of the ME games, like I said before I'm not bashing on those fics and think a lot of them seem to be done very well.

@18 Brains, I saw your review on my own fic the other day, thanks much for that.

I consider it the same as a novelization of a movie or game. Many of the events are the same but not necessarily, they're often changed to work better in a true story narrative. In the case of my fic, Requiem is also strongly diverging from canon the farther it goes.

As for quarian apperance I went off the idea that their sun would give quarians a different natural visual light spectrum so their coloration was more subdued than humanity (gray shades for skin tone). I was never fond of the whole 'tali must be completely alien' movement when it made no evolutionary sense considering what we already knew about them.

Modifié par Tairis Deamhan, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:54 .

[TheWerdna]

Omg, the author of Razor's Edge is on the forums *over-exagerated fanboy squee*

Modifié par TheWerdna, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[Tairis Deamhan]

Well this is where I started many interations of this thread ago, in the before time. Just haven't done more than occasionally browse in recent memory.

[TheWerdna]

Ya, from what i can tell very few of the "old-school" Talimancers come around here anymore, most seem to have moved on to other sites and such.

[Ainyan42]

18 Brains wrote...

Well said, Tairis. I personally enjoy the all in one approach, as it gives more depth to the characters and also allows you to help fill in the visuals of the scene with what you already witnessed in the games. Expansion is always good, and there were certainly plenty of scenes that could have had more to them.

I've been playing around with a "retell" fic told as an autobiography from Shepard's point of view - one that doesn't bother retelling everything step by step how it went in the game, but rather which fills in the blanks left by a script which had to cover three years in three games. A lot gets left out of the games - Shepard's feelings and reaction, crew feelings and reaction, events which are alluded to but never occur...

My Shepard is unique - just as your Shepard is unique, my husband's Shepard is unique, my best friend's Shepard is unique. They each have differing reactions to the same stimuli. If you glance at my fanfic in the link listed in my sig, you'll notice that each of them is a reaction shot to occurances in ME3 where the game did not, in my opinion, give enough weight to the specific situations, losing them in the grand scheme of things.

I don't like fanfics which retell the games line by line - I do, however, really enjoy seeing how others' Shepards grow and change in response to the events in game, in a way that the game does not, by code limitations, allow to be seen in playthrough.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Ainyan42 wrote...

I've been playing around with a "retell" fic told as an autobiography from Shepard's point of view - one that doesn't bother retelling everything step by step how it went in the game, but rather which fills in the blanks left by a script which had to cover three years in three games. A lot gets left out of the games - Shepard's feelings and reaction, crew feelings and reaction, events which are alluded to but never occur...

The autobiographical take is good, I read one very well done one awhile back that was from Garrus' point of view 20 years later.

My issue with leaving out the in game events for a more all inclusive fiction is that I find that you lose excellent opportunities to emphasis the unique aspects of characters. But I'm also not afraid to change canon dialogue to better suit the people using it, so that's another side of the coin.

If you want to take the games themselves as absolute canon? Then the 'in between' moments kind of fic is definitely going to work best, because otherwise you really are just going to be regurgiating the in game content verbatium.

TheWerdna wrote...

Ya, from what i can tell very few of
the "old-school" Talimancers come around here anymore, most seem to have
moved on to other sites and such.

I believe most of them occupy the 'Clan Z' group that I also occasionally lurk. The Tali Zorah Foundation forums also still see some activity. I maintain a thread there for Requiem, for example. But all in all its natural for people to move on.