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[Quole]

Arcian wrote...

Quole wrote...

I just state facts. Nothing more.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night, kiddo.

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Modifié par Quole, 10 octobre 2011 - 02:14 .

[Scourge king]

this forum is not for people arguing its just for Tali people so put your fighting elsewhere. also i think they should show Tali's face in ME3 but in a momentl like on that IGN article where you land on the planet of Rannoch and Tali takes off her mask and the player gets to see her face for the very first time. that would be the best moment in video game history.

[aiDvEoN]

Having reviewed the thank you scene, I'm inclined to agree that she's referring to the fact that Shepard is willing to try and make a relationship work despite the very literal barrier that exists in the form of her suit.

The fact that she's confined to that suit and is hopelessly in love with someone from another species seriously cannot be good for her confidence. Think about all the physical gestures and acts of affection and camaraderie that she would see in a given day on the Normandy amongst its crew. Every time she sees that is a stark reminder that such acts are near impossible for her; its a wonder that she doesn't simply curl up in a corner and weep.

[Errationatus]

Jog0907 wrote...

I agree, I always romance tali on my playtroughs but that part when she says thank you bothers me, I think she means grateful that shep likes her enough to forget about the suit making contact really difficult, but it still sounds odd

Hmm.  Listening to the dialogue it again, it appears she's thanking him for his willingness to wait for her to figure out how to make the physical part of the relationship work.  She makes no bones about seriously wanting Shepard, that's certain.

I can see how that eagerness on her part can be appealing. 

[Errationatus]

sitesunseen wrote...

I always just took the "thank you" that she is grateful that shepard see's past the obvious and is willing to try to make a relationship work. Keep in mind she's a Quarian not a human. I would think she would still be very nervous trying to "bond" with a human. As I would be nervous as well. Or she thought thats what a human would say.

Now that I've reviewed it, I don't think Tali is nervous about bonding with Shepard - she wants that boy and she wants him bad.  Any nervousness on her part can likely be attributed to the idea of not wanting to die her first time out, which is entirely understandable.

Still, that eagerness can make me a bit uneasy, because it can be construed as playing directly into fanservice - "that over-eager, too-hot-for-your-bod virgin who just can't wait for your masterly sexsational mojo".

Not really a fantasy I've ever entertained. Not my speed.

[jtav]

My speed either. I've been where Tali is now, and the romance-exclusive conversation makes me cringe.

[Collider]

I remember when JakeMacDon called people who romance Miranda, Tali, or Liara "pathetic."
Real men insult people over the internet over fictional girlfriends.

[Errationatus]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Having reviewed the thank you scene, I'm inclined to agree that she's referring to the fact that Shepard is willing to try and make a relationship work despite the very literal barrier that exists in the form of her suit.

The fact that she's confined to that suit and is hopelessly in love with someone from another species seriously cannot be good for her confidence. Think about all the physical gestures and acts of affection and camaraderie that she would see in a given day on the Normandy amongst its crew. Every time she sees that is a stark reminder that such acts are near impossible for her; its a wonder that she doesn't simply curl up in a corner and weep.

Agreed.  I give her full props for the attempt.  That takes mammoth balls and then some.  In a way Jack and Tali's relationship path has some similarities.  One trusts no one, and one can't dare, but in the end, their faith is vindicated.

Not quite sure just to whom that is a compliment, Shep or the ladies.

[nitefyre410]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Having reviewed the thank you scene, I'm inclined to agree that she's referring to the fact that Shepard is willing to try and make a relationship work despite the very literal barrier that exists in the form of her suit.

The fact that she's confined to that suit and is hopelessly in love with someone from another species seriously cannot be good for her confidence. Think about all the physical gestures and acts of affection and camaraderie that she would see in a given day on the Normandy amongst its crew. Every time she sees that is a stark reminder that such acts are near impossible for her; its a wonder that she doesn't simply curl up in a corner and weep.

 


Which is one of the reasons why  I always get the Rogue  vibe from Tali  - one would think that ability touch someone is meh - until you take it alway and you realize how important a simple touch is.

[Collider]

You're missing the point. Some are pathetic. Not all.

I assume you haven't seen the actual post. It wasn't in this thread, it was in the Jack thread. No "some are pathetic" distinguishing.

[Errationatus]

Collider wrote...

I remember when JakeMacDon called people who romance Miranda, Tali, or Liara "pathetic."
Real men insult people over the internet over fictional girlfriends.

Show me.  Otherwise you jus' talkin' sh!t.  

I know what I post and how I say it and about whom.  

Back it up.

 - EDIT for unnecessary testiness.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Errationatus]

jtav wrote...

My speed either. I've been where Tali is now, and the romance-exclusive conversation makes me cringe.

It could've used a rewrite or two in the original meetings, definitely.  Adults don't talk like that, do they?

[Jog0907]

Yeah, a rewrite of some of the dialogue wouldve been nice, make it less obvious and more of something shep had to work to get instead of just having to say hes interested. I still like the hints that the interest is born out of them trusting each other even if some of the writing is odd. Hopefully me3 expands on it to make it feel more mature instead of how it felt in me2 at times

Modifié par Jog0907, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:57 .

[Comsky159]

DaftArbiter wrote...

I'm reposting this from the "Your Favorite Squadmates" thread on page 3, but Tali ranked at the top of my list, and I wanted to see if anyone agrees with me.

1. Tali. The everygirl; a totally human and believable character, who is extremely feminized but not sexualized. Bioware worked really hard to drive this point home, and she’s as stark a contrast as stark can be to the stereotypical sex object female characters who show up in video games. She’s very feminine in her general shape, speech, general state of mind, but there’s nothing being “stuck out there” so to speak and you don’t even ever see her face; there’s very little to judge about her looking at her, and I think that in and of itself is an important lesson to consider (“don’t judge a book…” etc.). She's really emotional but she's not crazy. She's independent and can hold her own in a fight but she's not some violent warmonger and is really vulnerable on the inside. She has a lot of dilemmas to deal with in her life, not the least of them being the potential upcoming destruction of her entire race, and the horrific behavior (and death) of her father. It’s not easy for her to deal with and it gets to her, in spite of her own strength, and she can’t get through all of it alone. Tali manages to stay focused and keep herself as an invaluable component of her team despite it all, but it’s ever-present that her life is hard and it’s nothing that she can shrug off. I think a lot of female characters in popular media could take some cues from Tali and her success, especially from that success, which proves that a character like that can be extremely popular with its audience.

That's perfect. She holds firm to the traditional romanticism of femininity without being shoved in our faces. It's the closest I've ever seen Bioware get to the Shakespearean style of romantic subplot and I find that incredibly refreshing in a world that's often a little too contemporary and progressive for my tastes.

As far as I'm concerned she's the prime selection for the classical romantic.

Modifié par Comsky159, 10 octobre 2011 - 06:45 .

[aiDvEoN]

I personally like the sweetness and the awkwardness in Tali's romance dialogue, it goes well with the idea that she's taking a huge leap and venturing into completely new.territory. And yeah, it was funny to see her go from snarky badass to jittery schoolgirl and back again in 22.3 seconds. Now that she's done that though, yes, the dialogue should be more mature. Tali is a lot more than a gushing moeblob; let's get some more development. Show her increasing in confidence, have some banter where they try to embarrass one another in front of Garrus or Joker, play with culture shock and how long term relationships work among quarians, there's no shortage of material.

[RogueWriter3201]

 Well, I hope this means the Thread has returned to it's previous status. I'm all for healthy debate, but that's not what I saw happening. Using what one might percieve as Sharp Wit to make broad sweeping generalities about the motivations of an entire Fanbase towards a character they adore does not make for a good aforementioned Healthy Debate. While I lament that the thread had slowed to a proverbial crawl in regards to healthy and mutually enjoyable discussions and theories, the last thing we needed is someone who isn't a part of this community attempting to turn one side against the other or decry the entire Fanbase as being motivated by shallow or nefarious sources. At the end of the day, those in this thread (aside from the Trolls) love Tali, and this is the one place those who do should be able to express that (within reason) without fear of being labeled something they are not. My thanks to everyone who's been trying, or continues to, keep the thread moving in the right direction. Tali deserves nothing less.
 

[Scourge king]

i agree with you aiDvEoN i love her awkwardness and sweetness its just cute to see her to babble at the romance scene

Modifié par Scourge king, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:13 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Scourge king wrote...

i agree with you aiDvEoN i love her awkwardness and sweetness its just cute to see her to babble at the romance scene

And don't forget the nervous hand and finger twisting. So bloody cute.
<3

[DoNotIngest]

Toe-bouncing.


'Nuff said.




EDIT: Runescapeguy, if anythings ever needed a .gif, this thread needs ^^that one right now.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:34 .

[Runescapeguy9]

DoNotIngest wrote...
EDIT: Runescapeguy, if anythings ever needed a .gif, this thread needs ^^that one right now.

Modifié par Runescapeguy9, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:43 .

[aiDvEoN]

Glenboy24, the only unpleasantness that I saw was Arcian and Quole having yet another of their exchanges. Jake was right on the money, the fact is that the Tali fandom is thought of in those terms, and the cheesecake art that got dumped shortly before his wake-up call was a prime example of it. Read what the man said, as far as I'm conbcerened, the intelligent critical discussion he kicked off was some of the best content this thread has seen for a while.

Stick around Jake, this thread needs you.