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[SpiderCygnus]

Hi DeltaUnknown. Welcome to the Tali thread.

[Quole]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Kinda got it backwards there, bub.

He was talking about how the "creepy" fans were the loudest and the ones everyone else see's when they pop into any tali related thread.

To summerize; the creepy talimancers have become, to outsiders, the representitives of the total tali fanbase population.

YES!  and Tali - as a character, Mass Effect as a game and the entire fanbase suffers as a result. 

Ashley fans did not do this.  Jack fans did not do this.  Samara fans did not do this.

Talifans did.  It is up to Talifans to change that perception. 

That was, is, and will continue to be my point.

...and I said the reason that is, is because there are MORE Tali fans. This means there are MORE creepy Tali fans. However, the proportion of creepy Tali fans is likely the SAME as every other fan group. Also, have you been to any of the other threads? They are no better.

Modifié par Quole, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:50 .

[DoNotIngest]

Oooh, dunno why I've never seen this mentioned, though no doubt it has been...


Anyone think it's possible to do a Tali... voice modifier? If you know what I mean. Not likely to happen, and certainly more difficult than the ones for Sovereign, Harbinger or even a Turian, but still, I could probably waste days on that.

[Xarathox]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Oooh, dunno why I've never seen this mentioned, though no doubt it has been...


Anyone think it's possible to do a Tali... voice modifier? If you know what I mean. Not likely to happen, and certainly more difficult than the ones for Sovereign, Harbinger or even a Turian, but still, I could probably waste days on that.

You have to get the program BW uses. The "warble" is a pain in the ass to set up. <_<

[GoG ToXiC]

glenboy24 wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

Collider wrote...

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First, permit me to say that I have throughly enjoyed your posts thus far, they remind me quite a bit of the insightful and thought provoking discussions that once were held in the Tali Threads of Old, and can only now, sadly, be found every once and a while in the private groups. That said, while I have enjoyed your observations and candor, I find myself somewhat Bi-Polar in my reaction to your various viewpoints. While I do agree, ardently, with your assertions that the thread has taken a sharp decline into, often, vulgar 4Chan territory, there are small diamonds still to be found in the proverbial rough. Also, I believe, wholeheartedly, that, for many, the interest in Tali goes a bit beyond the usual Geek Girl fare, especially when one takes into account that the modern Western interpretation of what constitutes the aforementioned Geek Girl is now quite a departure from the backwards Otaku/Anime/Manga interpretations so prevailent in the late '90s and early aughts.

In my experience, Geek Girls are highly intellectual, often compassionate, strong willed, and possess equal quantities of maturity and humor. When the chips are down, so to speak, they can rise to the occassion, but in moments when they have let thier proverbial hair down and thier inherent emotional defenses are lowered they can still reflect insercurities that often plague those who where either never social butterflies or found themsevles somewhat of an outcast. Tali, I feel, covers this broad spectrum quite well. Despite all the commendable aspects of her character, her personal history, as relayed to Shepard in ME1, indicates that she was always somewhat of the Odd Man Out. Though it was expected of her to always excel and be the best at everything, this elevated status, due to her Farther's postion in the Fleet, left her outside the social norm; even in her own life her distance from her father instilled in her a belief that she needed to carry an equal proportion of weight and responsibility upon her shoulders.

And it's these elements that, for me and, I think, many, have drawn players to Tali. It's not just the Mystery of What's Behind the Mask, or the Archaic notion that she's a virginal prize, but rather that she is, in many ways, a reflection of Shepard him(her)self. Regardless of Shepard's Origins (in my case, Spacer) our lead character has taken it upon him(her)self to carry, in many ways, the weight of not just humanity, but of the greater galaxy upon thier shoulders, alone if need be, but thankful, regardless, for any help. Tali mirrors this. However, unlike Shepard, she does not possess the experience to make the kind of difficult choices that often have to be made when one puts themselves center-stage in any major circumstance or conflict. This fact is imminently made clear in Mass Effect 1 after she allows herself to be drawn into an ambush thinking she is taking the most logical, if dangerous, course of action. However this poor choice in judgement is amended once Shepard becomes an influencing factor in her life, culminating in her desire to locate and retrieve the Geth Data for both the benefit of the Migrant Fleet as well as for her Pilgrimage.

And this is, I think, what lies at the heart of the Love for Tali. Unlike all of the other characters, there is the genuine sense that we are having a significant impact on Tali's growth as a person, watching her come into her own, as it were. It's one of reasons why I actually have come to laude BioWare's choice to not make her a Romance option in ME1. When she first comes into Shepard's life, she is very much the titular "Little Sister," character. Both a protoge and a friend. Shepard's role as a mentor for Tali cements a close bond that, I feel, no other character even comes remotely close to matching. Out of all the Characters, Tali most reflects the positive impact Shepard has had on thier respective lives. Unlike Liara who becomes a prisoner of her own emotions in persuit of revenge, or Ashley who becomes a Jaded reflection of her former self, it is Tali who shows and demonstrates, above all, the lessons she took from Shepard, rising to the occasion, taking command, and doing what she sees is best for her people even if they remain addamant on succumbing to old fears and prejudices.

Now, to be fair, somes of these choices do not end well for Tali, however, had she never met Shepard, been influenced and mentored by him, I don't imagine she ever would have found it within herself to even attempt the dangerous operation on Haestrom. Again, this is what makes the relationship and, later, the romance so captivating and endearing. When Shepard dies, Tali is only just becoming a fraction of who she is destined to be. When Shepard returns, she is no longer the proverbial Lost Lamb, but a stalwart woman, dedicated to higher goals and possessing the courage of her convinctions. Another element that makes Tali so endearing is the fact that, above all others, she has the most unwavering faith in Shepard. In ME2, after his(her) return, almost every character with the exception of Joker, questions Shepard choice to choose the lesser of two evils and work with Cerberus for the preservation of the Human Race. Liara seeks to only use Shepard, Ashley questions his motivations and even his loyalty, Garrus remains by his side but is warry of whether or not Cerberus is having any influence on Shepard. Tali, not once, questions what it is Shepard is doing. She believes in her former mentor, having seen him(her) make choices no one else could and never waiver.

Taking these things into account, I feel it's impossible for Shepard not to Fall in Love with Tali. When it seems everything and everyone he(she) knew had changed or has taken a step away from him, Tali remains his most ardent supporter, his veritable rock. Having been quite taken with Tali two years prior, as Shepard later indicates, the foundation is there for that gentle affection and respect to blossum into something more, devoid of "creepy" intentions. If one approaches Shepard and Tali's relationship from the context of the narrative, and not just some perverse obsession, what you find is, perhaps, the most emotionally engaging and endearing relationship in the ME Trilogy. A Love Story that paints a picture of standing against the tide, shoulder to shoulder, one giving stregth to the other.

While those who love Tali beyond nefarious reasons might see the source of thier affection or reasoning otherwise, I think these core components remain the same across the board. As such, while I feel many of your arguments hold a measure of truth, they are, in some respects, flawed as they, quite possibly, encompass your own prejudices against the character influenced by the negative element you've seen here. To summarize, there are many different positive reasons, devoid of crude reasoning, for why Tali Zorah stands as the most beloved and popular romance and character in Mass Effect. 
 

And that is probably the single best post in this thread thus far.  Couldn't agree more.

[RogueWriter3201]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

Collider wrote...

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And that is probably the single best post in this thread thus far.  Couldn't agree more.

Thank you. I had stepped in to add to, what I had assumed at the time, was a healthy discussion concerning the foundation of Tali's Fans and they're devotion. But, sadly, that has since seemingly become a single person's grand crusade to harass, belittle, and assault that same fanbase on a quest to make these fans feel as though they are the source for seemingly all vile conduct in the whole of the BioWare Social Network. That's regrettable. Hopefully, the powers that be (Stanley Woo, Javier, Priestly) will step in to restore peace and remove the antagonistic element. Once this occurs, perhaps we can attempt this kind of discourse once more and relate in civil detail why it is Tali has such a dedicated following composed of far more then the "Lesser Element." 

[Swordfish56]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Hi Everyone

Today
BioWare and the Mass Effect 3 team are very pleased to announce 4 player
co-op multiplayer missions and the Mass Effect 3: Galaxy at War system
for Mass Effect 3 on the PC, Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.



Mass Effect 3: Galaxy at War

As
a bonus to the campaign, BioWare is introducing the Mass Effect 3:
Galaxy at War system, a new way for players to manage and experience the
galactic war from multiple fronts, including a new 4-player co-op mode.
The key to saving the galaxy is the “Galactic Readiness” level,
measured by Commander Shepard’s ability to apply
every possible
asset – people, weapons, resources, armies, fleets – in the final battle
against the Reapers. Players can impact their game’s Galactic Readiness
level in multiple ways via the Mass Effect 3: Galaxy at War system,
including multiplayer. Other platforms and interfaces will be announced
in the coming months. It is important to note that the system is
entirely optional and just another way players can have control over
your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal,
complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player
alone.

[Bolded and underlined for emphasis]

Which characters can I play in co-op multiplayer? Can I play as Commander Shepard?

• Commander
  Shepard’s part in the war will take place in the single-player
  campaign, as will that of other beloved characters in the franchise such
  as Garrus, Ashley, and Liara…these characters do not appear in the
  multiplayer missions. In multiplayer, players will create custom
  characters to fight on different and unique fronts in the war. This will
  include the ability to play as favorites like Turians, Krogans, Asari
  and more… each with their own unique set of abilities.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8481789

Ok I cut out a lot from the original post but it looks like we won't be playing as Tali in multiplayer, but we'll get to make our own custom characters...I'm going to guess that the options include custom quarians. And for the people who don't want to play multiplayer? Fine. Not engaging in it will not affect your single player experience in any way.

Modifié par Swordfish56, 11 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .

[MadCat221]

magnuskn wrote...

I think what is past tedious is you threadcrapping the Tali fan thread
with your disparagement of its members. But since you are one of those
trolls who goes the "Who, me trolling? How dare you say so!" route,
that's to expected. Oh, well, you are right on one account, you are not
worth my time. Have a nice life.

Ignore him, report him, move along, maybe rubberneck when the mods have at him.

Modifié par MadCat221, 11 octobre 2011 - 03:06 .

[Errationatus]

Yup.

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.  Actually I would have, because I more or less expected it.

The selective reading - or deliberate lack of comprehension - or the kneejerk sh!t-for-brains solidiarity - in this thread is laughably unbelievable. 

Fine.  What-the-fvck-ever.  Have it your way.

Go back to masturbating each other and feel justified and vindicated that you drove off a "hater".   Anyone who reads what I posted without that brainless persecution filter on will see why I have no problems letting them stand for themselves.

It's no wonder people who are serious about this character and not thinking with their d!cks desert threads about Tali: there's no frigging point in even trying to start something serious when you just end up awash in sticky tissues and slack-jawed "why isn't y'all jark'n off to muh fantzy?"

Goody for y'all.  You win.  Enjoy the circle-jerk.  I just don't need the aggravation.  There has to be somewhere one can talk about the girl without being swamped by assclowns.

I someday hope to find it, but it's not here.

[Quole]

I wish there was more interaction between Tali and Legion. You never really learn how she actually feels about it.

Modifié par Quole, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:27 .

[Nashiktal]

Alright jake I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, everyone deserves to have their voice heard after all, but your last post goes to far. I am going to have to report you. I don't like it, you were adding some nice discussion but blatant insult, no matter who starts it, are just not fitting for discussion.

It doesn't help that you seem to be ignoring all of those who actually WERE talking to you in meaningful discussion, which only hurts any point you were trying to make/

[Runescapeguy9]

Quole wrote...

I wish there was more interaction between Tali and Legion. You never really learn how she actually feels about it.

[Nashiktal]

Quole wrote...

I wish there was more interaction between Tali and Legion. You never really learn how she actually feels about it.

I wish we had more unrestricted interaction with legion period. He provides a lot of insight, and even tells us some previously unkown information about the reapers.

[Quole]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Quole wrote...

I wish there was more interaction between Tali and Legion. You never really learn how she actually feels about it.

Indeed, its obvious she does not completely trust him, but she is also willing to give him non classified data. There was so much more potential there. 

Modifié par Quole, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:33 .

[Nashiktal]

I still don't get why Tali never mentions legion outside of that little conflict. I decide to awaken legion next the the AI core and our geth expert says nothing? Psh ME2 has so much wasted potential in interactions.

[Quole]

Nashiktal wrote...

I still don't get why Tali never mentions legion outside of that little conflict. I decide to awaken legion next the the AI core and our geth expert says nothing? Psh ME2 has so much wasted potential in interactions.

indeed

[Errationatus]

Nashiktal wrote...

Alright jake I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, everyone deserves to have their voice heard after all, but your last post goes to far. I am going to have to report you. I don't like it, you were adding some nice discussion but blatant insult, no matter who starts it, are just not fitting for discussion.

You can do what you like.  As I said, I am civil to those civil to me, but this endless sniping by a few rather dogged cretins is annoying as hell.  I tried to engage in something else.  I tried multiple times.

Did you actually read all of anything I've posted or just the edited bits the whiners kept quoting?  Yes or no?  If you did, you wouldn't be tsk-tsking now.  Now they've gone on as if they were always going to be calmly discussing things and not slavering over pix of Tali's hindend.  Nice play.  Not particularly clever, but as I've said, nice try. 

It doesn't help that you seem to be ignoring all of those who actually WERE talking to you in meaningful discussion, which only hurts any point you were trying to make/

Bullsh!t. I was not ignoring those who were actually trying to engage in meaningful discussion.  It was just that every time I turned around someone was whinging about something I had thought I had adequately explained.  I try to address everything posted to me, but how friggin' far am I supposed to go rehashing things over and over because some playing-for-the-camera idiot failed Reading Comprehension 101? 

I have an actual life, a job and a family and have to parcel out my time.  Constantly re-rebutting wilful stupidity is not on my list of things to do with my day.

One small point before I call it a night:  you've done nothing, you snipers and self-righteous keepers of the flame, but prove my point for me.

I'm done with this bullsh!t.  Dignifying any of this idiocy with any further response is time I just don't have.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 11 octobre 2011 - 06:28 .

[DoNotIngest]

Thanks Jake... I really feel the love, though I suppose I deserve it for being such a d!ck to you throughout this thread... *le sarcasm (Did I need to point that out?)*



Anywho... Anyone else hoping for a nice update to some of the awesomely done fics when ME3 comes out?

[GuardianAngel470]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Yup.

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.  Actually I would have, because I more or less expected it.

The selective reading - or deliberate lack of comprehension - or the kneejerk sh!t-for-brains solidiarity - in this thread is laughably unbelievable. 

Fine.  What-the-fvck-ever.  Have it your way.

Go back to masturbating each other and feel justified and vindicated that you drove off a "hater".   Anyone who reads what I posted without that brainless persecution filter on will see why I have no problems letting them stand for themselves.

It's no wonder people who are serious about this character and not thinking with their d!cks desert threads about Tali: there's no frigging point in even trying to start something serious when you just end up awash in sticky tissues and slack-jawed "why isn't y'all jark'n off to muh fantzy?"

Goody for y'all.  You win.  Enjoy the circle-jerk.  I just don't need the aggravation.  There has to be somewhere one can talk about the girl without being swamped by assclowns.

I someday hope to find it, but it's not here.

Dude, I read your entire post. I understood completely. I think you were right. But the tone of the posts as well as the cursing and rather aggressive language did not help you convey it.

As a rule of thumb, it's best not blame others first. Try and blame yourself, look for things you did wrong, then, if you can't find any problems or what you did doesn't justify the response, then blame others.

Your point made sense but it was buried in inflammatory language, despite your attempts to say otherwise. Learn to speak in a less angry, less aggresssive tone and I promise you this sort of thing won't happen nearly as often.

[Quole]

Stop feeding the troll

[Andaius20]

Does Jake know that for a while we had people coem in here and "pretent to be Tali fans and do dumb ass stuff to feed said "creepiness"? For the sole reason they are anti-Talimancer?

[Errationatus]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Thanks Jake... I really feel the love, though I suppose I deserve it for being such a d!ck to you throughout this thread... *le sarcasm (Did I need to point that out?)*

I did not come to this thread angry.  I made an observation about outsiders' perceptions of Talifans and then was almost immediately accused of calling all Talifans creepy.  I did not do that. 

I was polite and as civilized as I could be and I stayed that way - until I got painted as some nefarious liar who trolled and slagged all the upright Talifans.  Then I got p!ssed off.  Someone continually calls me a liar and I stay p!ssed off.  The gloves come off.

Civility begets civility, and I'm not coddling anybody.

I don't play nice-nice with the jackals.  I don't work that way.  You come at me with knives and I shove 'em down your damn throat.  It's as simple as that.

Any intelligent person can see as plain as day I am not what I've been accused of being. 

People are lazy and it's easier to just skim and judge than it is to read and comprehend. Some folks are too busy waving their wangs around and proclaiming whatever victory it is they think they've achieved.

I had a few thoughts on quarian culture, how they tend to fulfill the ME universe's "Gypsy" niche, and how their culture might have adjusted in response, or just how much of that culture did the geth absorb, if any, but what's the point?  I doubt I'd mention weddings or hugs or pillowfights or Tali's posterior anywhere in it and where then would the interest lie? 

Why bother when I'd just get badgered to explain over and over why I'm so darned mean and why I use naughty language and don't kiss arses while I beg for you to talk to me?  *Shrug*  I'm not that pathetic.

Hey, it's cool.  I've got that off my chest.

I appreciate those with the eyes to see what I was getting at and I thank them for coming to my defence and trying to help.  You, all of you - those few - have my sincere thanks. 

I apologize for neglecting to make it plain I did not include you in any of my diatribes. 

I also apologize for allowing certain people to get under my skin, and to get my ire up.  I come from forums where they actually operate like arenas and not tea-rooms or chatrooms, and those with the twelve-year-old mentalities are quickly weeded out and certainly not tolerated as much as they are in the Bioware fora - and I forget to comport myself like a sane adult.  Most of the time, I get it right. Sometimes I slip.  Sometimes I let the jackasses make me angry.

I'm just backing off because this has reached ridiculous depths and I'm not helping any. 

The petty may have their pointless victories.  It is, as they say, after all, only a game.

[Errationatus]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...


Dude, I read your entire post. I understood completely. I think you were right. But the tone of the posts as well as the cursing and rather aggressive language did not help you convey it.

As a rule of thumb, it's best not blame others first. Try and blame yourself, look for things you did wrong, then, if you can't find any problems or what you did doesn't justify the response, then blame others.

Your point made sense but it was buried in inflammatory language, despite your attempts to say otherwise. Learn to speak in a less angry, less aggresssive tone and I promise you this sort of thing won't happen nearly as often.

Please see my response, above.

[Errationatus]

Andaius20 wrote...

Does Jake know that for a while we had people coem in here and "pretent to be Tali fans and do dumb ass stuff to feed said "creepiness"? For the sole reason they are anti-Talimancer?

I did not know that, and I am not anti-Talimancer. 

If you go back and read my initial post, you will see quite clearly that I was actually trying to defend Talimancers, to point out that perception is 9/10ths of pretty much every opinion, and until Talimancers themselves actively do what they can to counter the bad impressions that have come before, that perception is going to linger on - and Tali herself will feel the backlash, if she hasn't already. It's a damn shame, because the character does not deserve that.

That's all I've ever been trying to say. 

If that makes me a troll, then I'm a troll.  *Shrug*

Also, just to tie up a loose end, and forgive me for using a response to you to do it: 

In the Jack thread, as Collider tried to allude to and then forgot to follow up on, I did in the past rail against the creepy Talimancers.  The creepy ones.  Not the sane ones.  I'm not hiding anything, it's all there in the ME2 Jack thread, plain as print.  Be my guest - go read.  Kindly bear in mind that those were quite some time ago, and my opinions can change over time.  Just like Collider's, who didn't really have that much nice to say about Talifans himself - or did he neglect to mention that?  Ah, well.

I've also made no bones about the fact I don't like Miranda.  I don't.  Has no appeal for me.  That beeyotch wanted to control-chip me!  The hell!

Liara?  I fooking love Liara. Samara, Shiala.  I've never railed against Liara.  In that Collider is being a tad deceptive - or his memory is faulty.  Whichever it is, it's irrelevant.  I stand by what I say, and I admit when I'm wrong - when I'm wrong.

If this is just a rather large misunderstanding on the part of myself and others, hey, I'm flexible.  I don't hold grudges.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:01 .

[What?]

Why is everyone pouncing on Jake like he's the last gazelle in the Savannah? He made a perfectly valid point: the vocal creeps do paint the Tali fanbase like The Scream. In his initial post, he didn't streamline every Tali-fan as being creepy and obsessive; he pointed out that there was a solid minority that posts in Tali threads who're all right, but they're undermined by all the ******-fests that usually prevail in any thread even distantly related to her. To help the poor guy out, I'll even break his post down for those who choose to skim or not read it at all, to clarify his point.

JakeMacDon wrote...
I think the reason Tali threads die is that they tend to go from  "let's speak of Tali and the quarians in intelligent terms and mature speculation" into "Tali gives me a galctic boner! Lol!!!1 Dem hips! I post a pitchur of her butt1! Can't wait til we can bone her on Rannoch in her hous! Yay!!"

Right here, Jake is simply stating that a majority--not all--threads regarding Tali devolve into fappery. And he's absolutely right; I've seen it happen in this thread. First, those silly hypersexualized pictures that Quole, S.A.K, and Webkahve posted on pg. 367, and the mucky exchange between users that ensued. Then you had strange, somewhat creepy and obsessive posts from CommanderBadass and Scourge king:

CommanderBadass wrote...

Tali. Hm. could anyone help me
make up a cute nickname for tali that I could use for Tali? As for
adoption, It'd be one Hell of a Soldier/Engineer by the time they're
done. Imagine if they adopted a Geth that was similar to Legion. or If
that is tooo off topic,the tali Nickname, anyone?

CommanderBadass wrote...

No, I'm Just sayin, Y'know how
when you're in love You call someone sweetheart, or a cute variant of
their name? i'm jUst sayin, also, Quarians have to reproduce somehow,
and If so, It could be similar to the asari due to the Immune system of
the Quarians, and Tali, in particular, is worth anything, even if it's
adoption

Scourge king wrote...

im a little confused on whats
happening but back to Tali why the hell would shepard save Liara over
your LI also ive heard/rwead somewhere that there will be pregnancies in
ME 3 and only 3 female characters can become pregnant and heres the
three permanant female squadmates Liara, Ashlee (if she survived
Virmire), and Tali and i was thinking that the 3 pregnancies will got to
those 3 permanate female squad mates

CommanderBadass wrote...

oh. Sorry, soo sorry. Tali, What
did she do in ME 1? I wanna know her backstory, I wanna know her. I
wanna know about her, I Trust Her, but I wanna reinforce that Trust,
What did she do in ME1?

I'd say his claim of threads tending to devolve into creepy obsessiveness is well-founded; these weren't the only two posters, however, to engage in this weirdness. Were I to try and cover every strange dude or chick that's posted in this thread, I'd be here all night.

JakeMacDon wrote...
Most reasonable people are just going to skim the thread, go, "oh, look, this again," and move on.

See, talking about Tali is remarkably like talking about religion. There are thoughtful, intelligent people with a genuine interest who can talk calmly and sanely about the object of their devotion.  Unfortunately, to the uninitated, these people look like maybe 5% of Tali's fanbase.

Right here immediately refutes all these ridiculous claims that his post bashed every Tali-fan, or streamlined them into a single category. He made it quite clear in that sentence that that 'Talimancer' tag isn't tacked to every person in the fanbase. Jake acknowledges there are calm, level-headed folks, and goes on to state that they're undermined by the vocal minority of creepy fans. And it's true. The thoughtful folks don't post much, because they're either ignored altogether or overlooked due to the deluge of posts (often only written by one or more of the same users) regarding the size of Tali's butt, or talking about what she looks like naked. Thus, it gives the illusion that there's more creeps than normies in the fanbase.

JakeMacDon wrote...
Then there are those who will brook no disagreement from what they have decided is the Truth about Their Tali, and woe betide you if you so much as suggest that they might be taking things a little too far.  These are the Hardcore Talimancers.  Most think these people are nucking futs.

And this is exactly what's happening to the poor guy right now, and thus perpetuating the near unanimous accordance amongst most users that Talifans are weird and irrational because someone dared rain on their incredibly important discussion regarding Tali's cup-size.

JakeMacDon wrote...
And then...  there are those whose obsession is sadly and pathetically writ plain as they can do nothing but talk about their fanaticism not about the character or the craft it took to bring her to life, but almost solely about how she gives them that "galactak boner!!1Lol".  The general perception is that these folks are either 12, retarded, and have only ever seen or spoken with digital representions of women. Or all three.

That's precisely what the thread devolved into post-sexy pics (and I even provided some examples). The moment Tali's rear was pinned up, people started reaching into their pants. The complete childishness of the posts are enough to make the majority of people reach the consensus that Tali-fans are nuts, because, as I pointed out, the perverts are usually prolific posters and the most vocal and ardent of the fans. Nevermind the few intelligent ones, because they're posts are going to be mired in a sea of filth.

JakeMacDon wrote...
Perversely, it fuels a lot of the intense dislike for Tali out there, and the real pity is that it isn't Tali that's the problem - it's her fans.

It's true. The same three users posting over and over again are the ones providing this illusion that every Tali-fan is insane, because their text takes up most of the room in a thread; since these threads can get to be several hundred pages long, it's no wonder most people generalize that the fanbase is crazy. Nobody is about to slog through 200+ pages to search for gems.

JakeMacDon wrote...
I tend to avoid Tali threads - I think a lot of people do, because too often it's like trying to find a seat in some tacky cinema that ocassionally shows the odd porno and isn't surrounded by sticky tissues and sweaty guys in trenchcoats.  This thread was doing alright until recently.

See my post above this once, addressing the prior quote. It's exactly that situation. That doesn't mean, however, that Jake is pinning every Tali-fan in his post; he makes a point to keep the content objective. He simply presented an observation of his and many others, and was attacked for it. People misconstrued the initial premise because they felt needlessly offended by it, since it didn't play in-concert with the ******-fest that was underway beforehand.

I realize I'll probably get reported or something such, since I decided to side with Jake on this one. But I'm not about to stand by and let someone get hammered for making a perfectly valid observation. Also, to add, I find it funny that people are threatening to report Jake for offensive posting, yet he was personally attacked on one or two occasions by Quole, when he called Jake stupid and a moron. That, and Jake's anger is understandable--he's one poster pitted against two or more, with nobody to help him out. I don't blame him for the outburst.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:24 .