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[BrysonC]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

HELLO TALI FANS UNITED!

I hope all of you are doing well, as by Tali I'm sure you are.

DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS: Tali, in Mass Effect 3, faces the dilemma of choosing either her people or Shepard. At the end of the Rannoch arc, she does choose Shepard, saying "I gave up my father for my people. I gave up my freedom for an admiral position I didn't want. I'm not giving up you."
This choice; to choose Shepard even while knowing her people need her. She makes a selfish choice, to stay with Shepard rather than stay for the sake of all her people, and even while fully aware of the selfishness ingrained in her decision. Is this a change in her character? And what brought it out?

DISCUSS PLOX

Tali loves you.
Keelah Se'lai.

I think Tali's experiences on the Normandy helped her to expand her value system beyond what she learned as a quarian/resident of the Migrant Fleet. She realized that there was a whole galaxy out there with trillions of aliens, and that not everything should revolve around the greater quarian good (to a certain extent of course).

Human values in particular seemed to rub off on her, and putting personal love/happiness first probably stems from that at least partially.

/overanalysis

[N7Dropout1]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

HELLO TALI FANS UNITED!

I hope all of you are doing well, as by Tali I'm sure you are.

DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS: Tali, in Mass Effect 3, faces the dilemma of choosing either her people or Shepard. At the end of the Rannoch arc, she does choose Shepard, saying "I gave up my father for my people. I gave up my freedom for an admiral position I didn't want. I'm not giving up you."
This choice; to choose Shepard even while knowing her people need her. She makes a selfish choice, to stay with Shepard rather than stay for the sake of all her people, and even while fully aware of the selfishness ingrained in her decision. Is this a change in her character? And what brought it out?

DISCUSS PLOX

Tali loves you.
Keelah Se'lai.

I think Tali recognizes her duty to the quarian people and that doesn't conflict as much as one might think when it comes to being with Shepard.  Whether the quarians like it or not, they didn't retake their homeworld by themselves, not by a longshot. Shepard literally saved their entire race from being annihilated. He and Tali are examples to all the quarians going forward more than any of the admirals like Koris or Gerrel.

I suppose she could sit back on the planet and repair things, but she's doing more for the quarians by going with Shepard and fighting with him. The future of the quarians is inevitably integrating back into the galactic community and trying to achieve what they lost. Besides, she isn't a politician or a soldier. All she wanted was to have a quiet life and build a home.

Remember, the quarians before the morning war were just like humans, making the same errors we see in every day life. They had to give up their individualism being cramped into ships and reduced to near extinction. Now, there is no threat and they can go back to their true nature, which is to to selfish jerks just like humans. Shepard is like a role model in a way.

Modifié par N7Dropout1, 24 septembre 2012 - 12:44 .

[N7Dropout1]

BrysonC wrote...

Good news and bad news. The bad news is, the internet has suffered another chapter to 'You Came Back to Me,' chapter 11. The good news is, it's almost finished, so you won't have to hear any more about it in a few weeks.

Read and reviewed another great chapter. There are so many great works from the people in this thread that I need to take the time to read them all.

[18 Brains]

Bahoogasmif wrote...

we take reviews with constructive criticism or pats on the back. and by free tali, i mean we are writing lots of tali "aww" moments for you.

Looking forward to it.

[BrysonC]

N7Dropout1 wrote...

BrysonC wrote...

Good news and bad news. The bad news is, the internet has suffered another chapter to 'You Came Back to Me,' chapter 11. The good news is, it's almost finished, so you won't have to hear any more about it in a few weeks.

Read and reviewed another great chapter. There are so many great works from the people in this thread that I need to take the time to read them all.

Thank you. :happy:  Nice to see you on the forums.

[Terrorize69]

Thought i'd reshare something I once wrote

Tali: "..And In the Galaxies darkest hour, when all the stars seemed to dim and all hope was just about lost.. One man shone brighter then any star ever did, shouting out at the darkness he rallied all the worlds together.. he charged.. like a knight in shining armor galloping across the stars with the impossible army at his heels... they struck at the heart of the darkness, such a force of light and hope.. together they achieved the impossible and overcome a fate set in stone, they overthrew the darkness and brought peace to the Galaxy... and it's all down to this one man.. on Tuchanka, his name mean's "Hero".. A hero too all across the stars.. but most importantly.. my hero, my love, my Shepard..."

With the infant now fast asleep in her arms, Tali gently lowered him into his cot. She lent down to kiss him softly on the forehead, she turned around to see Shepard standing in the doorway, leaning against the frame. The light in the background wrapping round his outline, giving him a shining glow.. like a knight in shining armor. Tali smiled and gracefully glided across the room and into his arms.

[Edolix]

^^ That's beautiful, Terror.

I got an odd sense of dejavu whilst reading that though, as if i've read it before. Probably when you originally posted it, a good thousand or so pages ago.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Oi, folks. As a reminder, I posted a new chapter as well.

check it out here.

Chapter 14: Life signs fading

[TheWerdna]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

HELLO TALI FANS UNITED!

I hope all of you are doing well, as by Tali I'm sure you are.

DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS: Tali, in Mass Effect 3, faces the dilemma of choosing either her people or Shepard. At the end of the Rannoch arc, she does choose Shepard, saying "I gave up my father for my people. I gave up my freedom for an admiral position I didn't want. I'm not giving up you."
This choice; to choose Shepard even while knowing her people need her. She makes a selfish choice, to stay with Shepard rather than stay for the sake of all her people, and even while fully aware of the selfishness ingrained in her decision. Is this a change in her character? And what brought it out?

DISCUSS PLOX

Tali loves you.
Keelah Se'lai.

I actually came up with a theory about this topic that goes beyond the question, but also answers it...

I think in many ways Tali had a lonely childhood: from what she said she was never really close to either of her parents (her father being absorbed by his work and her mother being "overshadowed" Rael and sorta just "being there"). I also suspect she didn't have very many close friends growing up, likely due to all the extra responsibilities her father forced upon her. As such, I think Tali's belief in putting her people and others in general over herself (way beyond that of most quarians) was in a way a copping/defense mechanism; if she ignored all of her own wants and desires then the loneliness would be easier to ignore.

This loneliness can be supported by Tali's one biggest desire; to have a home on Rannoch. This really makes me feel that the migrant fleet never truly felt like a home to her, in that her one desire is to have a home.

Then came the events of the Mass Effect games; during which, for the first real time, Tali began to form close friendships with the Normandy; and as a result Tali found a place where she felt like she belonged. (I will come back to this point later)

But the real change and growth came when her relationship with Shepard began; she had a opportunity to pursue something she really wanted. At first she continued to hide behind the “mask” she had built for herself, to tell Shepard that no matter how much she wanted to be with him, he would be happier without her, once more putting others well being above her own. In many ways, the literal removing of her mask was coupled with a figurative one; of allowing herself to get close to someone and learn that it is okay to be a bit selfish, that you cannot go your whole like never once considering about your own desires and well being, that extreme selflessness is just as unhealthy as extreme selfishness. Once she has opened up, Tali is shown to be unwilling to let go of that new found close relationship to someone.

In ME3 I think Tali realized something she has in many ways known all along; on the Normandy she found friends, a place where people accept her, and found the man she loves... in other words she found a home. This can be seen at the end of the Rannoch plot-line, even when the world is retaken and she has the chance to build the house she always wanted, she chooses to return to the Normandy and be with Shepard. But most significant evidence of this is during the evac-scene during the extended cut, when she is wounded and taken back to the Normandy and Shepard says “Get back to Rannoch; build yourself a home”; to which Tali replies “I have a home.”

All in all, Tali's “selfish” decision to rejoin Shepard over her own people is completely in character; as it shows her growth as a character as she learned to accept the need to follow her own desires. She still cares about her people, and will do whatever she can to help them... but she also cares just as much, if not more so, about Shepard. Besides, the Normandy is her home; its where she belongs.

Modifié par TheWerdna, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[18 Brains]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Oi, folks. As a reminder, I posted a new chapter as well.

check it out here.

Chapter 14: Life signs fading

The plot thickens.  Good chapter, Blazen!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

18 Brains wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Oi, folks. As a reminder, I posted a new chapter as well.

check it out here.

Chapter 14: Life signs fading

The plot thickens.  Good chapter, Blazen!

That monologue gave me a massive migraine after I was done writing it, gaaaaaaaaah.

[Killsteven]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

 Hey guys. Hey guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys.

I posted chapter 14 of perrrrrspective.

Chapter 14: Life Signs Fading

It features tali becoming a kitten and stuff. 
Lol not really.

I'm tired...

Liking the new chapter Blazen. It's nice to see you come so far. Why, I remember the day you started this fic. All those years ago when we were in the war together and you said "Steven my man, I going to write a fanfic about ME3 when I get out of this place", and I was all like "I'll have yo back brudda, i'll read it even if it sucks and give you some helpful words when you're in doubt". Good times, to bad Tyrone got vaporized by an rpg . He would have been so proud of you. Like I am now, keep it up pal.

OH CRAP TOTP UUUH!! HEREhttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcNsk7SnkYAT3EwKL7949SSviW6f_yiZwzlNtES8XWdaf285r6
 No time to get a good pic, in a rush.

Modifié par Killsteven, 24 septembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[zapphoman24]

^^^^What are you talking about? Any pic with Tali sitting on the bed like that is a good pic.

[BrysonC]

Killsteven wrote...
Why, I remember the day you started this fic. All those years ago when we were in the war together and you said "Steven my man, I going to write a fanfic about ME3 when I get out of this place", and I was all like "I'll have yo back brudda, i'll read it even if it sucks and give you some helpful words when you're in doubt". Good times, to bad Tyrone got vaporized by an rpg . He would have been so proud of you.

Meth's a helluva drug.

[Killsteven]

BrysonC wrote...



Meth's a helluva drug.

No one seems to be getting that it's a Black Dynamite reference, that's unfortunate. Well i guess I didn't really expect that many people to catch on in the first place so, whatever no biggie. Important part of the post (besides Tali of course) is that I am thankful to Mr.BlazenGlazen for chapter 14.

And to you Bryson for chapter 11.

[BrysonC]

Killsteven wrote...

BrysonC wrote...
Meth's a helluva drug.

No one seems to be getting that it's a Black Dynamite reference, that's unfortunate.

Funny thing is that's one of my all-time favorite movies, so I really should have caught the reference... >_>

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

You should thank me for chapter 14! Or else I'll have Caleb hide under your bed.

In all seriousness though, thanks stevehn. It took me the entire day to write up that chapter.

[Killsteven]

BrysonC wrote...

Killsteven wrote...

BrysonC wrote...
Meth's a helluva drug.

No one seems to be getting that it's a Black Dynamite reference, that's unfortunate.

Funny thing is that's one of my all-time favorite movies, so I really should have caught the reference... >_>

 *high five,bro fist,cat hands,spok it lock it,go team venture,ET finger touch,big gay finish* I don't know what hand shake to use to express this but you sir are my new favorite person.

[BrysonC]

Killsteven wrote...

BrysonC wrote...

Killsteven wrote...

BrysonC wrote...
Meth's a helluva drug.

No one seems to be getting that it's a Black Dynamite reference, that's unfortunate.

Funny thing is that's one of my all-time favorite movies, so I really should have caught the reference... >_>

 *high five,bro fist,cat hands,spok it lock it,go team venture,ET finger touch,big gay finish* I don't know what hand shake to use to express this but you sir are my new favorite person.

"I threw that **** before I walked in the ROOM!"

One of the only movies where I never stopped smiling like a moron. The animated TV show is pretty cool, too.

The Tali thread: Where we talk about Black Dynamite.

[Killsteven]

Who knows maybe Black Dynamite be a DLC team member. For his recruitment mission the alliance sends you to help him stop the reapers from releasing a disease that makes black men's ****s smaller. So Black Dynamite and Shepard woop Harbinger's Honky ass. Then Black Dynamite joins the team and **** slaps the reapers back to dark space. And over the course of the game he has sex with all the female crew members, even Tali. That being said this idea doesn't sound so cool anymore.

Modifié par Killsteven, 25 septembre 2012 - 01:33 .

[SnakeEyes]

BrysonC wrote...
Meth's a helluva drug.

Meth. Not even once.

[BrysonC]

Killsteven wrote...

 And over the course of the game he has sex with all the female crew members, even Tali. 

Uh...oh...

[darthrevaninlight]

TheWerdna wrote...

I actually came up with a theory about this topic that goes beyond the question, but also answers it...

I think in many ways Tali had a lonely childhood: from what she said she was never really close to either of her parents (her father being absorbed by his work and her mother being "overshadowed" Rael and sorta just "being there"). I also suspect she didn't have very many close friends growing up, likely due to all the extra responsibilities her father forced upon her. As such, I think Tali's belief in putting her people and others in general over herself (way beyond that of most quarians) was in a way a copping/defense mechanism; if she ignored all of her own wants and desires then the loneliness would be easier to ignore.

Definitely agree. The whole situation seemed pretty lonely for sure when she described it in ME1

This loneliness can be supported by Tali's one biggest desire; to have a home on Rannoch. This really makes me feel that the migrant fleet never truly felt like a home to her, in that her one desire is to have a home.

Interesting. Are you implying that perhaps Tali's dedication to her people was part of an even larger wish; to fit in and to find a place to belong?

Then came the events of the Mass Effect games; during which, for the first real time, Tali began to form close friendships with the Normandy; and as a result Tali found a place where she felt like she belonged. (I will come back to this point later)

But the real change and growth came when her relationship with Shepard began; she had a opportunity to pursue something she really wanted. At first she continued to hide behind the “mask” she had built for herself, to tell Shepard that no matter how much she wanted to be with him, he would be happier without her, once more putting others well being above her own. In many ways, the literal removing of her mask was coupled with a figurative one; of allowing herself to get close to someone and learn that it is okay to be a bit selfish, that you cannot go your whole like never once considering about your own desires and well being, that extreme selflessness is just as unhealthy as extreme selfishness. Once she has opened up, Tali is shown to be unwilling to let go of that new found close relationship to someone.

Ah, but is a close relationship, specifically Tali and Shepard's, truly selfish? Or does it embody true selflessness; as in, does that relationship of devotion Shepard and Tali share in common selfish or is it that they give up themselves in order to be together?

In ME3 I think Tali realized something she has in many ways known all along; on the Normandy she found friends, a place where people accept her, and found the man she loves... in other words she found a home. This can be seen at the end of the Rannoch plot-line, even when the world is retaken and she has the chance to build the house she always wanted, she chooses to return to the Normandy and be with Shepard. But most significant evidence of this is during the evac-scene during the extended cut, when she is wounded and taken back to the Normandy and Shepard says “Get back to Rannoch; build yourself a home”; to which Tali replies “I have a home.”

All in all, Tali's “selfish” decision to rejoin Shepard over her own people is completely in character; as it shows her growth as a character as she learned to accept the need to follow her own desires. She still cares about her people, and will do whatever she can to help them... but she also cares just as much, if not more so, about Shepard. Besides, the Normandy is her home; its where she belongs.

I applaud your strongly supported argument   And LONG LIVE TALI THE QUARIAN QUEEN!!!!!

[darthrevaninlight]

exelsis wrote...
Revan! It's been a while. You should draw more vampire tali art.

But I think that she made that decision simply because she loves shepard a great deal, and at that point, she needed shepard more than the quarians needed her.

It has indeed been quite a while, exelsis.  vampire Tali hm... perhaps that is how talimancers are truly made, by the love intoxicated fangs that pierce the neck during a Tali pounce?


Hmmm interesting assertion.... Tali did seem quite overwhelmed upon meeting her in ME3... She did lose a lot in the past two games... However, are her own personal feelings truly the only reason she decided to stay with Shepard?

[18 Brains]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

I applaud your strongly supported argument   And LONG LIVE TALI THE QUARIAN QUEEN!!!!!

REVAN!   You're back! 

Tali is awesome, and deserves our praise!

Also, have you or Ryuji written anything recently?  It seems this thread's hit the jackpot for writer's of Tali-Fanfiction.

Modifié par 18 Brains, 25 septembre 2012 - 02:07 .