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[CroGamer002]

Natali-major-momscream wrote...

Sorry for being skeptical
but where's proof of BioWare confirming Tali will be there 100%? Because
Legion was technically a full squadmate in Mass Effect 2 but I only got
Legion for 3 missions.

You can get Legion for almost every mission after Collector Ship mission.

You need at least 7-8 squadies( Kasumi and Zaeed needed) and few missions done to get that missions activated.

Though problem is that you'll lose a lot of abducted crew unless you mod the game.
Also with mods you can have Legion from start and people and game will recognize him, with expectation of Horizon( Samara/Morinth and Thane as well).


Also why delay Tali?
Just pick her up after you escape Earth like with Garrus and Liara.

I honestly doubt those 2 will be on Normandy when Shepard is getting his/hers ass saved.


EDIT#1 On top.

Modifié par Mesina2, 21 juin 2011 - 03:04 .

[Natali-major-momscream]

Yes but those without mods are sort of cheated, aren't they? I'd hate to have to wait until half the game is done before I can pick up my lover (or adopted sister, if it's my female Shepard) and best friend just because they can't fit all the squadmembers on one disc. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Mass Effect 3 had 3 discs

Modifié par Natali-major-momscream, 21 juin 2011 - 02:53 .

[CroGamer002]

^Well only on PS3( as far as I know) you can't mod that.

Modding XBox 360 ME2 save is not hard, just little more complicated transition of doing that then on PC.

Modifié par Mesina2, 21 juin 2011 - 03:06 .

[CroGamer002]

Really, REALLY well done.

[Alienmorph]

Mesina2 wrote...
Also why delay Tali?
Just pick her up after you escape Earth like with Garrus and Liara.

I honestly doubt those 2 will be on Normandy when Shepard is getting his/hers ass saved.

Liara, almost surely will be somewhere else, because of her SB's status, for Garrus and Tali we'll see. I won't be surprised if the returning ME2's squaddies will be arrested toghether with Shepard and we'll have pick up them before leaving the Solar System.

Surely Tali can't just be back to the Migrant Fleet as default situation, because of the possibility that she was exiled in ME2.

[CroGamer002]

Well by that I meant that Alliance won't allow non-Alliance personal on Normandy, until Earth falls.

I think you'll pick them up without recruitment mission after you escape Earth.

[Alienmorph]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well by that I meant that Alliance won't allow non-Alliance personal on Normandy, until Earth falls.

I think you'll pick them up without recruitment mission after you escape Earth.

I'm hopeful that the recruitments will be handled ala ME1 and we'll have the complete core team in the first 1-2 hours of game.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 21 juin 2011 - 04:00 .

[Ruthac_Arus]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well by that I meant that Alliance won't allow non-Alliance personal on Normandy, until Earth falls.

I think you'll pick them up without recruitment mission after you escape Earth.

Either that or getting to them is like a recruitment mission, so to speak. Earth goes down, and if I recall correctly, Mars is the next stop before Shepard goes elsewhere in the galaxy. Given how close Mars is to Earth, the Reapers or their agents may already be there giving Shepard grief. But it'll be really action-packed as it is just getting off Earth, and I'm betting there'll be a little "breather" where the characters get to take stock, and possibly meet up with Garrus and Tali, have a little reunion, before they've got to get the heck out of dodge. Which'd be nice- I'm hoping for little conversation additions here and there for any romantically-involved characters. It was Shepard's turn to have a bogus trial, and it'd be interesting to see Tali and Shep. comment on the parallel.

Modifié par Ruthac_Arus, 21 juin 2011 - 04:31 .

[MadCat221]

I'm predicting she'll be on board at the start in all likelihood, because all but one possibility involving her being alive results in her being named "vas Normandy", and that one exception involves doing something no Talimancer would even consider.

Modifié par MadCat221, 21 juin 2011 - 04:33 .

[Alienmorph]

Jailed on Mars while Shepard is under trial on Earth...

Yup, makes sense. Especially if the others supposed 2-3 returning squadmates with Garrus and Tali will be not-so-friendly people like Jack and Grunt.

[HAWKNUTS007]

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[Nashiktal]

Those again, are way too human for my tastes. If she looked like that, she would be even more human than the Asari are! Although I do think that image is cute, and if it wasn't for the fact we have too many "human" aliens already I would probably be more favorable.

[ShadowLordXXX]

It seems pretty hard to draw the line between too human and too alien with Quarians. From what we already know they are at least somewhat similar to humans in general facial features(eye placement nose placement and general shape mouth etc etc).

Although I think Quarians should look somewhat more alien than say Asari, I tend to think too alien would make less since than too human, given what little we already know.(I mean seriously with the fact that we are relatively certain they have a human like nose, a human like mouth, the same placement for eyes as humans there's only so much you can do to make them less human)

I think glowing eyes, perhaps unusual hair, and an odd skin tone(no pink/purple that just seems silly, possibly grey or white), no scales(they are described as being mammals, or at least mammalian analogues), as well as perhaps some sort of other difference between humans is probably the most that there will be with regards to the face and head.

[78stonewobble]

I'd be able to live with hawknuts007's pictures but as nashiktal says theyre a bit too human.

IMHO ...

On the other hand... I'd prefer to let bioware surprise me with the "real" tali more than sitting here and wish for this or that.

[DoNotIngest]

I like the concept that shows bright silver eyes with no iris/pupil/etc. the best, because it's identical to Tali's eyes in-game. Of course, that's probably just because all I'm comfortable wanting Tali to look like is what you can already see through the helmet, and I'd just wait and see what Bioware decides she looks like... But that's just me


I will say this; Do you think her eyes should be just the gleaming silver/white that we see through the mask? Or should there be an outline of a larger-than-human iris/pupil/etc.? It seems appropriate that you would see a trace of that, IMO.

jvalenti57 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

It'd be nice if they let us choose FemShep's favourite squad; probably her LI and... Someone else

Hey there DoNotIngest,

I'm working as the main point of contact over at Mass Effect Marathon 2 and we have thought about the FemShep's favorite squad.  Basically we will be determining that via Chracter Sponsorship.  If and when you donate to Child's Play Charity via our site, you can specify to sponsor a specific character.  When we go on major story missions, whenever possible we will use the top two characters from the Sponsorship.  So for example, right now Garrus isthe highest playable squad member so we would bring him with us whenever possible.  So if enough people donate in Tali's name, we'll do the same with her!

Doesn't everyone agree how nice it is to give money to children in need?


DO IT NAO!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Here is a couple of my favourite Tali 'unmasked' concept art. I would like quarians to look alien. And in the codex, it says that rumours have quarians as being part synthetic, so I think a slightly robotic look may be fitting, given their technical expertise and being confined to their suits.

[Nashiktal]

ShadowLordXXX wrote...

It seems pretty hard to draw the line between too human and too alien with Quarians. From what we already know they are at least somewhat similar to humans in general facial features(eye placement nose placement and general shape mouth etc etc).

Although I think Quarians should look somewhat more alien than say Asari, I tend to think too alien would make less since than too human, given what little we already know.(I mean seriously with the fact that we are relatively certain they have a human like nose, a human like mouth, the same placement for eyes as humans there's only so much you can do to make them less human)

I think glowing eyes, perhaps unusual hair, and an odd skin tone(no pink/purple that just seems silly, possibly grey or white), no scales(they are described as being mammals, or at least mammalian analogues), as well as perhaps some sort of other difference between humans is probably the most that there will be with regards to the face and head.

You see, the thing is it actually isn't that hard. As I keep saying, just look at thane. By all reason he should look human, he has two eyes, a nose, lips and normal teeth... but no. Thane actually looks sufficiently alien enough that I even ignore his almost completely human body.

[ShadowLordXXX]

The thing is Thane is a reptile, which makes it fairly easy for him to not look human. If you give something scales and frills it won't look human. However given that Tali's almost certainly a mammalian analogue it seems hard for me to picture how they could make her look all that alien.

[Nashiktal]

ShadowLordXXX wrote...

The thing is Thane is a reptile, which makes it fairly easy for him to not look human. If you give something scales and frills it won't look human. However given that Tali's almost certainly a mammalian analogue it seems hard for me to picture how they could make her look all that alien.

All it takes is a little imagination mate. There are many mammals on this earth that look very strange. Mammals do not have a uniform appearance, they only have (kinda) uniform attributes. From platypus' to armidillos, to elephants and whales.

Perhaps instead of hair they could give Tali spines on her head like a porcupine? Perhaps the bottom of a quarians face is elongated or oddly shaped? Maybe she has skin ridges along her jaw that changes the shape and form? There are plenty of things you can do.

Which is why I shake my head whenever someone tells me its difficult. The only difficult part is balancing alien features to attractivness like they did with thane.

[DoNotIngest]

Nashiktal wrote...

ShadowLordXXX wrote...

The thing is Thane is a reptile, which makes it fairly easy for him to not look human. If you give something scales and frills it won't look human. However given that Tali's almost certainly a mammalian analogue it seems hard for me to picture how they could make her look all that alien.

All it takes is a little imagination mate. There are many mammals on this earth that look very strange. Mammals do not have a uniform appearance, they only have (kinda) uniform attributes. From platypus' to armidillos, to elephants and whales.

Don't forget star-nosed moles. Really, you want a crazy-looking mammal, google image that right now.




Although given Tali's mammalian origins and her so far identical-to-humans eye- and nose-placement, the alieness will have to be elsewhere. Her mouth should probably remain fairly human, but her ears seem to be pre-designated to be different. Whatever the top of her head is like seems to be a given, too. And I, too, wouldn't mind cybernetics. If there are any on her face, though, only very, very small ones; don't need a Rolex on her temple, blocking her lovely face

[HAWKNUTS007]

Nashiktal wrote...

Those again, are way too human for my tastes. If she looked like that, she would be even more human than the Asari are! Although I do think that image is cute, and if it wasn't for the fact we have too many "human" aliens already I would probably be more favorable.

Quarians and humans are the only sentient species evolved
from mammals. I wouldn't mind if the :Puarians looked similar to humans.

[ShadowLordXXX]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

ShadowLordXXX wrote...

The thing is Thane is a reptile, which makes it fairly easy for him to not look human. If you give something scales and frills it won't look human. However given that Tali's almost certainly a mammalian analogue it seems hard for me to picture how they could make her look all that alien.

All it takes is a little imagination mate. There are many mammals on this earth that look very strange. Mammals do not have a uniform appearance, they only have (kinda) uniform attributes. From platypus' to armidillos, to elephants and whales.

Don't forget star-nosed moles. Really, you want a crazy-looking mammal, google image that right now.




Although given Tali's mammalian origins and her so far identical-to-humans eye- and nose-placement, the alieness will have to be elsewhere. Her mouth should probably remain fairly human, but her ears seem to be pre-designated to be different. Whatever the top of her head is like seems to be a given, too. And I, too, wouldn't mind cybernetics. If there are any on her face, though, only very, very small ones; don't need a Rolex on her temple, blocking her lovely face

This basically. While mamals can and do look different, usually their features are markedly different(eye position and shape, nose design mouth design et al) However given what we know about Quarians most of these things resemble Human features. While I don't think it's impossible that BioWare could come up with a fairly alien design for her, without a retcon it's unlikely that a Quarian face will be extremely different from a human face.

In fact i've yet to see a markedly alien version of a Quarian that fit entirely with the lore surrounding them and what we can see through the visors. Even the msot alien image of a Quarian(that fits lore that is) still is only slightly more alien than an Asari.

[Terumitsu]

DoNotIngest wrote...

I like the concept that shows bright silver eyes with no iris/pupil/etc. the best, because it's identical to Tali's eyes in-game. Of course, that's probably just because all I'm comfortable wanting Tali to look like is what you can already see through the helmet, and I'd just wait and see what Bioware decides she looks like... But that's just me


I will say this; Do you think her eyes should be just the gleaming silver/white that we see through the mask? Or should there be an outline of a larger-than-human iris/pupil/etc.? It seems appropriate that you would see a trace of that, IMO.

It might just be me but I think the 'glowing' eyes are caused by light reflection. That is to say, something like the effect one gets with shining a light at a cat's eye in the dark and how that causes them to glimmer. I bring this up as it is entirely likely that there is some internal lighting to the mask seeing as it can also work as a HUD and possibly a right up screen if the AA pack is anything to take into account.

That and having phosphorent eyes would render them useless due to the biology and physics that eyes work. A light sensitive cell is not going to work well when it senses the very light it or it's neighbors give off.

Though, now I've got the thought in my head of the possibility of Quarians having cat pupils...

Alternately, the glimmer might be entirely artificial and be removed from their biology. The reason for these projected 'eyespots'  would be a social one as people feel more comfortable when they can make eye contact with what they are talking to. The projections could easily be made to mimic the motions of the person behind the mask given the general tech level of the ME galaxy so as to add that extra bit of humani- er... Qurarianity? Basically, to make it more psychologically comfortable. Given that  the race is stuck behind their masks for the majority of the time, I would think this is a logical thing to do as it allows one to know that someone is in there rather than just being caught up by the literal cold exterior.

It's like a sneak peak of the penutbutter inside the chocolate shell if one will forgive the silly similie

Modifié par Terumitsu, 21 juin 2011 - 08:57 .

[Nashiktal]

ShadowLordXXX wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

ShadowLordXXX wrote...

The thing is Thane is a reptile, which makes it fairly easy for him to not look human. If you give something scales and frills it won't look human. However given that Tali's almost certainly a mammalian analogue it seems hard for me to picture how they could make her look all that alien.

All it takes is a little imagination mate. There are many mammals on this earth that look very strange. Mammals do not have a uniform appearance, they only have (kinda) uniform attributes. From platypus' to armidillos, to elephants and whales.

Don't forget star-nosed moles. Really, you want a crazy-looking mammal, google image that right now.




Although given Tali's mammalian origins and her so far identical-to-humans eye- and nose-placement, the alieness will have to be elsewhere. Her mouth should probably remain fairly human, but her ears seem to be pre-designated to be different. Whatever the top of her head is like seems to be a given, too. And I, too, wouldn't mind cybernetics. If there are any on her face, though, only very, very small ones; don't need a Rolex on her temple, blocking her lovely face

This basically. While mamals can and do look different, usually their features are markedly different(eye position and shape, nose design mouth design et al) However given what we know about Quarians most of these things resemble Human features. While I don't think it's impossible that BioWare could come up with a fairly alien design for her, without a retcon it's unlikely that a Quarian face will be extremely different from a human face.

In fact i've yet to see a markedly alien version of a Quarian that fit entirely with the lore surrounding them and what we can see through the visors. Even the msot alien image of a Quarian(that fits lore that is) still is only slightly more alien than an Asari.

and again, as I said they don't have to make it radically different to appear alien. It just takes a little imagination.