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I agree if you were a dick to her she should be a dick back  and not be able to romance her unless you do ALOT of convincing and stuff to proove to her you changed and stuff.

But she is available for romance no matter what thus the 'realism of availability' argument does not apply to ME romances. If straight ManShep can have 90% of his female squaddies be into him no matter if he's handsome or butt-ugly and no matter if he's holier than thou or an antichrist which has absolutely nothing to due with realism and it's pure fanservice, then so should FemShep, GayShep & LesShep have as much options.

They should have the same amount of options but with different characters ME2 and 3 if they will have new sqaudies would be the perfect time to make them Bi or whatever because they are new they have a blank slate to work with like James Vega

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I feel like some people are going to wind up coming around to the calibrations in their own sense-making ways once the trilogy is complete, so long as Garrus does indeed have plenty more dialogue in ME3.

"He was at a difficult time in his life. He closed himself off from the world but maintained the loyalty to Shepard."

Nah, my excuse is, was, and forever shall be "the devs underestimated how much people talk to the squadmates."

Especially since Garrus is the most obnoxiously chatty squaddie on the battlefield.  And the loudest.

Tali lacked dialogue, too, but it wasn't as much of a problem since she was recruited much later in the game.

Tali didn't really lack dialogue; while she didn't have many Normandy conversations, she talked more during her loyalty mission than some squadmates did throughout the entire game.

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tyler1991991 wrote...

They should have the same amount of options but with different characters ME2 and 3 if they will have new sqaudies would be the perfect time to make them Bi or whatever because they are new they have a blank slate to work with like James Vega

Lack of blank slate wasn't a problem for Talimancers when it was about demanding Tali be be available for ME2. Why should it be a problem with her in ME3?

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

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I feel like some people are going to wind up coming around to the calibrations in their own sense-making ways once the trilogy is complete, so long as Garrus does indeed have plenty more dialogue in ME3.

"He was at a difficult time in his life. He closed himself off from the world but maintained the loyalty to Shepard."

Nah, my excuse is, was, and forever shall be "the devs underestimated how much people talk to the squadmates."


Well of course that's true too. =]

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Well, Tali's not available if you're a **** and hand over the evidence in her loyalty mission. Or side with Legion in the argument.

But she's available no matter how badly you treated her in ME1. Conclusion: actions from previous game(s) don't matter as Tali shows.


not true, if you dont do the geth mission from ME1 Tali is not as quick to trust you during Freedoms Progress, and she flat out refuse to accompany you when you ask her to come. Past game descions do matter but you guys are taking roleplay descions too far. I doubt bioware would flag the tiniest of renegade diolouge as of consequence to the next game. I wish they would but they don't so there's no point arguing about actions from previous games being carried over. It just depends on how you roleplay a game and how well you can explain away anything that doesnt make sense.

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Well, Tali's not available if you're a **** and hand over the evidence in her loyalty mission. Or side with Legion in the argument.

But she's available no matter how badly you treated her in ME1. Conclusion: actions from previous game(s) don't matter as Tali shows.

Well, apparently if you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, you couldn't romance him in ME2. That's something.

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@tyler It's not dumb, it just adds more variety in relationships, to a game thats supposed to be a rpg but has been heading more and more towards your generic 3rd person shooter. I'm not saying npc relationships are what defines a good rpg, but after the almost jarring shift from ME1 to ME2 i'll take what I can get in terms of role playing.

it would be boring if everyone was Bi imo then to me gender for Shep wouldn't matter I wouldn't get a different experiance from either of them its just whos voice do I want to hear male or female

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

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Well, Tali's not available if you're a **** and hand over the evidence in her loyalty mission. Or side with Legion in the argument.

But she's available no matter how badly you treated her in ME1. Conclusion: actions from previous game(s) don't matter as Tali shows.

Well, apparently if you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, you couldn't romance him in ME2. That's something.


Wait, really? I actually didn't know that.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Well, apparently if you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, you couldn't romance him in ME2. That's something.

That's Garrus, not Tali.

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Well, apparently if you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, you couldn't romance him in ME2. That's something.

But taht's Garrus, not Tali. Tali's in love with ManShep no matter what he did in ME1.

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it would be boring if everyone was Bi imo then to me gender for Shep wouldn't matter I wouldn't get a different experiance from either of them its just whos voice do I want to hear male or female

And what's boring to me is lack of choices.

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Well, apparently if you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, you couldn't romance him in ME2. That's something.

That's Garrus, not Tali.

Yeah, I was just responding to the "decisions made in past games don't matter for romance" comment in general.

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IsaacShep wrote...

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They should have the same amount of options but with different characters ME2 and 3 if they will have new sqaudies would be the perfect time to make them Bi or whatever because they are new they have a blank slate to work with like James Vega

Lack of blank slate wasn't a problem for Talimancers when it was about demanding Tali be be available for ME2. Why should it be a problem with her in ME3?

Tali isnt a blank slate though it was rumored that she was suppose to be a romanceable character in ME1 but they pulled out saying no one would romance her how very wrong they were.

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True Tali and Garrus were added because of the fans in ME2. My fear is just it might lessen the characters if it dosent and they are still the same old same old then i have no problem with it

If you are okay with how Tali and Garrus changed from ME1 to ME2, you will be okay with theleap from ME2 to ME3.

If they dont ruine her character and do it in a believable way then i wouldnt. I dont agree that they should but its bioware character

I don't think you have anything to worry about. Tali and Garrus's transition from ME1 to ME2 wasn't unbelievable so why would it be this time?

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tyler1991991 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

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They should have the same amount of options but with different characters ME2 and 3 if they will have new sqaudies would be the perfect time to make them Bi or whatever because they are new they have a blank slate to work with like James Vega

Lack of blank slate wasn't a problem for Talimancers when it was about demanding Tali be be available for ME2. Why should it be a problem with her in ME3?

Tali isnt a blank slate though it was rumored that she was suppose to be a romanceable character in ME1 but they pulled out saying no one would romance her how very wrong they were.


I bet you Shepard didn't pull out.

Hey-ooooooooooooo!

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

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Well, apparently if you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, you couldn't romance him in ME2. That's something.

That's Garrus, not Tali.


I blame Udina for that.

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tyler1991991 wrote...

Tali isnt a blank slate though it was rumored that she was suppose to be a romanceable character in ME1 but they pulled out saying no one would romance her how very wrong they were.

Yeah, "who would love a girl with chicken feet?"

It was also rumored that she was going to be a bi option in ME2, but they pulled out because DAT CONTROVERSY.

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I don't think you have anything to worry about. Tali and Garrus's transition from ME1 to ME2 wasn't unbelievable so why would it be this time?

i hope it is if they make them Bi I was just saying my opinion and how I felt

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@tyler It's not dumb, it just adds more variety in relationships, to a game thats supposed to be a rpg but has been heading more and more towards your generic 3rd person shooter. I'm not saying npc relationships are what defines a good rpg, but after the almost jarring shift from ME1 to ME2 i'll take what I can get in terms of role playing.

it would be boring if everyone was Bi imo then to me gender for Shep wouldn't matter I wouldn't get a different experiance from either of them its just whos voice do I want to hear male or female


well thats if you ended up gettin into everyones pants...

Im going to take a stab in the dark, (since nobody replied to my question in the s/s thread >.< ) that the reason some people are afraid of s/s romance is that like "all roads lead to rome", all conversations would lead to shep's pants.

So you have a situation like in ME2 where you can't have a normal relationship with a npc of the opposite gender cause if it ain't about shep's junk it ain't worth their time, (I had jack telling me to F*** off every time I tried to talk with her).

I doubt bioware would do this mistake again, one of the reason we have s/s romance is for gay/lesb/bi people to develop closer ties with their favourite characters. This does not mean that you can't roleplay as a straight shepard with bro garrus.
Bioware wants all characters to develop closer ties with the PC so we will probably (fingers crossed) recieve 2 different paths of dialogue one leading to shepard's junk, the other leading to closer friendship.

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tyler1991991 wrote...

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@tyler It's not dumb, it just adds more variety in relationships, to a game thats supposed to be a rpg but has been heading more and more towards your generic 3rd person shooter. I'm not saying npc relationships are what defines a good rpg, but after the almost jarring shift from ME1 to ME2 i'll take what I can get in terms of role playing.

it would be boring if everyone was Bi imo then to me gender for Shep wouldn't matter I wouldn't get a different experiance from either of them its just whos voice do I want to hear male or female


Gender shouldn't be that important,  an innie or an outie Shepard's the same big damn hero.

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i hope it is if they make them Bi i was just saying my opinion and how I felt

It's a silly way to feel, really.  How does what Tali does with F!Shep change what she does with M!Shep?  They're the same person anyway, so it's impossible for them to exist in the same universe.

The reason people want Tali as an s/s LI is because they really like who she is.  We don't want her to become someone else, either.  Nobody's out to destroy Tali's character integrity.

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tyler1991991 wrote...

Tali isnt a blank slate though it was rumored that she was suppose to be a romanceable character in ME1 but they pulled out saying no one would romance her how very wrong they were.

But she wasn't romancable in ME1. And then she was in ME2. Conclusion: it is 100% OK for her to be romancable by FemShep in ME3, especially since there've been rumors she was suppoused to be in ME2 but they pulled out :devil:

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tyler1991991 wrote...

Tali isnt a blank slate though it was rumored that she was suppose to be a romanceable character in ME1 but they pulled out saying no one would romance her how very wrong they were.

Yeah, "who would love a girl with chicken feet?"

It was also rumored that she was going to be a bi option in ME2, but they pulled out because DAT CONTROVERSY.

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who wasn't rumoured to be bi at one time or another? Because I've heard Jack was going to be bi, Kaidan was going to be bi, Miranda etc.

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@cacharadon: The devs won't shut up about "friendship paths," so I doubt the same mistake is going to be made twice.

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well thats if you ended up gettin into everyones pants...

Im going to take a stab in the dark (since nobody replied to my question in the s/s thread >.< ) that the reason some people are afraid of s/s romance is that like all roads lead to rme, all conversations would lead to sheps pants.

so you have a situation like in ME2 where you cant have a normal relationship with a npc of the opposite gender cause if it aint about sheps junk it aint worth their time, (I had jack telling me to F*** off every time i tried to talk with her).

I doubt bioware would do this mistake again, one of the reason we have s/s romance is for gay/lesb/bi people to develop closer ties with their favourite characters. this does not mean that you cant roleplay as a straight shepard with bro garrus. Bioware wants all characters to develop closer ties with PC so we will probably (fingers crossed) recieve 2 different paths of dialogue one leading to shepards junk the other leading to closer friendship.

I agree that was one of the fears i have about S/S its like paragon romance everything else your a dick i dont want to be a dick to Garrus he is my bro

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@cacharadon: The devs won't shut up about "friendship paths," so I doubt the same mistake is going to be made twice.

I hope not; I don't want another Anders situation. Dammit Anders, don't give me rivalry points just because I'm straight!