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[Xilizhra]

And seriously, Ashley's not a xenophobe--she just lacks exposure to aliens and is very devoted to the Alliance/humanity.

Really, she's both.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Ashley is definitely somewhat xenophobic, not nearly to the extent that someone like Kai Leng is but still. Flaws add character, I'd rather she keep that one.

[Zkyire]

Ashley has a realistic view of aliens given what the Turians did to them and how her family was treated as a result.

Anyone chastising her for not being "You know dem Aliens? They're all super great!" is being ridiculous.

Anyways, that's all I'm going to say about that.

From now on: Tali, Tali, Tali.

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 23 octobre 2011 - 11:10 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Wait, wut?

[DoNotIngest]

I wonder how flooded the BSN will get once Bioware finally drops the ME3 Tali bomb.


Y'know. Flooded with *RELEVANT* posts. /le grudge

[aiDvEoN]

Regarding Ashley, I find it absurd that people who call her xenophobic are ignoring the fact that the Council constantly proves her right over the first two games. Humanity's problems are ignored as that body continues its tradition of serving its own interests.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

Regarding Ashley, I find it absurd that people who call her xenophobic are ignoring the fact that the Council constantly proves her right over the first two games. Humanity's problems are ignored as that body continues its tradition of serving its own interests.

Paragons aren't the most logical people around.

75% paragon, disprovin' ur assumptions.

[Axelstall]

Ok wait, I leave for the weekend and find the Tali thread in a discussion about Ashley? Something to say, WTF!? Move your non-Tali discussion somewhere else please. Thank you...

[aiDvEoN]

Also paragon to the bone.

Doesn't mean I don't hold the Council as a body (since I let the previous one burn in favour of focusing on cyber-cthulhu) in absolute contempt.

[Axelstall]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Also paragon to the bone.

Doesn't mean I don't hold the Council as a body (since I let the previous one burn in favour of focusing on cyber-cthulhu) in absolute contempt.

Cyber Cthulhu, Lol.

[Ravensword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Alright, alright, let's talk about how Tali is illogical.

Her disgust with Admiral Xen and dismissal of her ideas is a bit presumptuous. She dismisses Gerrel and Koris because she doesn't like their stances, but then does the same to Xen when she offers a compromise. Tali wants the homeworld but doesn't want a violent war. So why oppose Xen's plan? She also defends her father's research and sees him as a hero despite that his recklessness got he and his people killed. Xen however she regards as purely villainous .

This is why I regard Tali as immature. She's showing a lot of favoritism towards her father.

Speaking of which, I hope that if you exposed her father in ME2 that in ME3 she will at least come to understand why Shepard did it. I don't expect their friendship to necessarily be fixed, but she should acknowledge that what Shepard did was morally right and perhaps even responsible. As Shepard says, the quarians are preparing for war and they need all the facts to make an informed decision.

Tali's desire to be exiled was an emotional repsonse she made on the fly. Given time to think about it I think she might agree with Shepard for exposing her father.

I thought you were pro-Cerberus?

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Alright, alright, let's talk about how Tali is illogical.

Her disgust with Admiral Xen and dismissal of her ideas is a bit presumptuous. She dismisses Gerrel and Koris because she doesn't like their stances, but then does the same to Xen when she offers a compromise. Tali wants the homeworld but doesn't want a violent war. So why oppose Xen's plan? She also defends her father's research and sees him as a hero despite that his recklessness got he and his people killed. Xen however she regards as purely villainous .

This is why I regard Tali as immature. She's showing a lot of favoritism towards her father.

Speaking of which, I hope that if you exposed her father in ME2 that in ME3 she will at least come to understand why Shepard did it. I don't expect their friendship to necessarily be fixed, but she should acknowledge that what Shepard did was morally right and perhaps even responsible. As Shepard says, the quarians are preparing for war and they need all the facts to make an informed decision.

Tali's desire to be exiled was an emotional repsonse she made on the fly. Given time to think about it I think she might agree with Shepard for exposing her father.

doubtful she would forgive shepard for it since revealing the data results in the fleet fragmenting, that being nearly a death sentence on her species. Since your shepard knows that rael intended to use the data to alter the balance of power in the admiralty board (in favor of war) you should know then that revealing the data is prejudicial to the welfare of the quarian fleet.

Modifié par Jog0907, 24 octobre 2011 - 01:51 .

[SwiftMustache]

Yeah showing this info was more a death sentance for the quarians than anything else.

Anyway I'm pro-human-quarians so (But I dislike Cerberus)
I hope there's a way to form an official alliance between humans-quarians or give the Geths to humanity in ME3.
Or even get everything beyond the Perseus veil for humans who know

[Jog0907]

hurrycanne699 wrote...

Yeah showing this info was more a death sentance for the quarians than anything else.

Anyway I'm pro-human-quarians so (But I dislike Cerberus)
I hope there's a way to form an official alliance between humans-quarians or give the Geths to humanity in ME3.
Or even get everything beyond the Perseus veil for humans who know

it seems than me3 will be when humans and quarians may make more official contact, so yeah I agree it will be interesting to see how that is handled by bioware.

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

doubtful she would forgive shepard for it since revealing the data results in the fleet fragmenting,

However that isn't Shepard's fault. Shepard revealed the truth for very good reasons and what the quarians did with that truth is not something he had any control over.

I don't see it as a death sentence either. Many may die, sure, but others may also live. If they're smart the ones who want to settle a colony will petition the turians to adopt them as a client race. It means giving up sovereignty, but they'll survive and be safe at least.

I disagree that his reasons were good, it was placing the welfare of an individual (tali not getting exiled) above that of an entire species, even when that individual asked you not to do so. The game expresses that as being the reasons for revealing the info. Also I consider it a death sentence since that leaves them fragmented in the face of an inminent war (reapers), and also no offense intended but I think that your idea of quarians requesting protection from the turians is extremely naive.

[GoG ToXiC]

You guys must be new here. You don't argue with Saphra. She refuses to even consider the fact that other people might have reasons just as good as hers for doing something differently and seems to think we're all idiots if we don't play the game the way she does. Or at least that's the impressions I get. Either way, the argument isn't worth the pain of banging your head into a wall.

[aiDvEoN]

You aren't covering up a damn thing, you're keeping it out of a public circus.

The ALAREI IS RIGHT THERE! All the evidence is still on that ship.

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

I disagree that his reasons were good, it was placing the welfare of an individual (tali not getting exiled) above that of an entire species,

What kind of bass-ackwards logic is that? Placing the welfare of an individual over the welfare of a species is what you do if you let Tali get exiled or charm/intimidate the admirals into exonerating her. The government is planning war and you are covering up important information relating to that war.

As Shepard says if you reveal Rael's wrongdoing, he is letting them have all the facts and then make an informed decision. Whether that works out to their benefit or not is irrelevant as it was made with their (and Tali's, mind you) best interests in mind. Once again, Shepard has no control or any ability to predict what they will do with that information.

Its revealing data that the tali-legion conflict reveals can do nothing but to risk a morning war all over again, it simply needs to be kept  as far way from the public as possible (not different from what a secret of state would be), and given its nature of helping the plans of daro and han (thus sparking conflict with both shala and zaal), the best decision is simply to not reveal it to the admiralty board.

edit> it seems the discussion will be moot since we both are too set in our views for anything wortwhile to come from it, so I dont think is worth it to discuss the subject further

Modifié par Jog0907, 24 octobre 2011 - 02:42 .