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[aiDvEoN]

Raptor Jesus have mercy, NOTHING IS BEING HIDDEN! THE ALAREI IS RIGHT THERE! If you were trying to cover it up, you'd flee the ship, say you had to bug out before you were.overrun and let them blast it out of space.

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Bah! I have the power to decide what
will happen to the Quarian fleet b/c of the information from the Alarei.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. The many being the
galaxy and the few being the ones who's loved ones died due to Rael's
negligence.

You are meta-gaming and thus your argument is completely worthless.

Jog0907 wrote...

saphra you are saying it yourself, 17 million people are more important than tali,

Yes and that is why they should know the truth so that their decision on how to move forward will an informed decision rather than one made in ignorance.

by doing what? leaking to the quarian public info that is about the same as leaking keiji greybox info to the council? yeah sure that cant go wrong, exccept it does, big time, and your shep should have enough reasoning capability to know that such insanely sensitive info is best kept hidden from the public in order to avoid extreme disagreements in a species that cannot afford to have them.

Modifié par Jog0907, 24 octobre 2011 - 03:56 .

[Ravensword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

cacharadon wrote...

Ravensword just owned Saphra's argument, my kracken is pleased.

He did no such  thing. He didn't even pose an argument.

Oh, come one, Saphra. No hard feelings here. It's more important to ensure the stability of the Fleet and in doing so preventing evidence that may potentially disrupt the Fleet is not a good idea. But, you say that we shouldn't cover up Rael's crime of negligence and that the victims' families of said negligence deserve to know what happened. Well, seeing as Rael's research was also being conducted upon live Geth, in the interest of not covering anything up, the moral thing would be to let all parties involved know what transpired. That includes letting the families of the victims on the Alarei know of Rael's crime and informing the Geth of the brutal experiments Rael was conducting upon Geth prisoners. This will not bode well for the Quarians obviously, but at least we're not covering anything up then.

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

by doing what? leaking to the quarian public info that is about the same as leaking keiji greybox info to the council? yeah sure that cant go wrong, exccept it does, big time.

How is it in any way comparable to Keiji's greybox? Nobody ever says anything about the data being that dangerous, or dangerous at all to anyone except Rael (his reputation and citizenship, specifically).

because hes and admiral one of the top 5 leaders of  a whole species, to protect his reputation is important in order to prevent an escalade of arguments that can only result in a polarization of opinions regarding the geth (I approve of what he did vs I dont approve of what he did) that in a species that has relied on the general population not being divided like that just to survive, to sacrifice that out of a misplaced sense of bringing someone to justice is shortsighted.
Its true you cant see ahead of time but it should be obvious that revaling info like that is problematic.

Modifié par Jog0907, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:07 .

[ZenJestr]

in the end, it doesn't matter.......Xen finds the evidence anyways...so she gets to reap the benefits of the research which will prove to be quite interesting in ME3

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Remember kids the most evil, base, despicable thing you can do is Meta-game.

*To Saphra at least.

[Ravensword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Oh, come one, Saphra. No hard feelings here. It's more important to ensure the stability of the Fleet and in doing so preventing evidence that may potentially...

No, the choice had nothing to do with the stability of the fleet. YOU ARE META-GAMING. The choice was about what Tali wanted, how it related to your mission, and Rael's reputation. Nothing is ever said about what may or may not happen to the fleet. That's not what the choice is about.

There is no way to predict ahead of time what the affect on the fleet will be either way.

That may be, but discretion is the better part of valor. That is some really volatile information there that can have some serious problems if it were revealed to the fleet. Yes, it does suck to w/hold information about what happened on the Alarei but it's done for whatever good it might do in the future. I think once the Reaper thing is resolved the information should be declassified.

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

because hes and admiral one of the top 5 leaders of  a whole species, to protect his reputation is important in order to prevent an escalade of arguments that can only result in a polarization of opinions regarding the geth

That is bull****. If you want a viable discussion on the geth then you need to reveal the truth. The admirals need to know that he had a viable weapon but that it also blew up in his face and got an entire ships' crew killed. They need to know that he was linking geth up to sentience and experimenting on them and all that implies about his work.

With the truth in hand they can all make informed decisions about what to do. By covering it up you are leaving them blind.

you are not leaving them blind, you are just avoiding leaking info that can only cause a public schism in a species in which that situation risks their goddamn existence. Theres a reason why secrets exist and this is one them.
Hell as it was said daro gets the data and even her prefers not to reveal it, that should go to show how undesirable it is for the info to be fully public.

[HellBovine]

Jog0907 wrote...

you are not leaving them blind, you are just avoiding leaking info that can only cause a public schism in a species in which that situation risks their goddamn existence. Theres a reason why secrets exist and this is one them.
Hell as it was said daro gets the data and even her prefers not to reveal it, that should go to show how undesirable it is for the info to be fully public.

Also you can reveal it to Han'Gerral and he doesn't seem too keen on letting everyone know either.

[Ravensword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

That may be, but discretion is the better part of valor.

Not when you are dealing with the life and death matters concerning the future of an entire people by covering up sensitive information pertinent to the arguments being made on all sides

It doesn't matter. There are more important things to deal w/ in the galaxy than the negligence of one person which led to the deaths of several people. Such information may pose a threat to the stability of the fleet. But if you insist on going forth and presenting the information to all the sides then that should also include the Geth since they were being experimented on by Rael.

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

you are not leaving them blind,

Yes you are, you are hiding the truth from the public AND from the Admirals (with the possible exception of Gerrel).

because its the best thing to do, as I said secrets exist for a reason and this scenario is one of it, they are not blind because they still have other info from which to make a decission you are just preventing a secret that can only cause a poltical ****storm to be added to the considerations. In the end yes its keeping info from someone but is the best thing to do and the game shows it, when once you reveal the info the fleet splits.

[Radahldo]

Doesnt exposing the data preclude a romance with tali? I think the majority of you would think differently about this if that werent the case

But if you insist on going forth and presenting the information to all the sides then that should also include the Geth since they were being experimented on by Rael.

Legion tries to send that information to the geth-- all saphra has to is let him

[Codyacsmith]

Don't get Saphra started on the Geth or this will never end.

[Codyacsmith]

Wow 300 pages. That's alot.

[Jog0907]

my main shep likes to respect the judgement of their teammates, so when one says not revealing info is the best thing to do I like to trust them (specially in the case of tali in which she knows what happens to her for not revealing it) and on tali trial you get rewarded for trusting her judgement.

[Ravensword]

Codyacsmith wrote...

Don't get Saphra started on the Geth or this will never end.

There is only one way to stop this.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ravensword wrote...

Codyacsmith wrote...

Don't get Saphra started on the Geth or this will never end.

There is only one way to stop this.

Exterminatus?!

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

because its the best thing to do,

And without meta-gaming who do you know that? What evidence or examples lead you to that conclusion?

How do you know that leaving them ignorance won't make things worse? After all if they don't know what mistakes Rael made then aren't they prone to repeat them? Without revealing the evidence you are leaving the quarians to act without all the facts and that can be dangerous.

because it should be obvious to anyone that revealing such sensible info can cause a schism. You may be leaving them without all the facts but that is not dangerous, what is dangerous is thinking that revealing sensible military info to the general public is a good idea. Also your continued insistence on saying that those who decide not to reveal the info are doing so only out of meta-gaming interest doesnt helps your position as a rational poster, it only makes you look as  a fool that cant accept that people can reach different conclusions in regards to roleplaying decisions.