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[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

 you don't charge dead people with crimes.

The point, as I said, is not to charge dead people with crimes, but to bring closure to family members of the people slain. Many of which would be innocent. Possibly even the woman we talked about in the logs. After all, she is following Rael's orders. That kind of thing can be determined later.

Charging the dead people with crimes is just part of the process of getting justices for the surviving family.

Again,... you dont KNOW that. You are just assuming.

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Again,... you dont KNOW that. You are just assuming.

Many of which would (possibly) be innocent. There, are you happy?

You are really grasping at straws here.

Happy now.

[Sethan_1]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Right, because it is totally reasonable and not at all retarded to suspect that EVERY person on that ship would know what was going on. After all, the best way to keep a secret from a possibly hostile admiralty board is to ****ing tell EVERYONE about it.

Actually, the best way would be to get all non-essential personnel off the ship - i.e., anyone not directly connected with the research.  It was a lab ship, after all.

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

Don't argue with Saphra. If you ignore it, it will die from attention starvation and we will be rid of it forever.

Don't argue with who?

[Ravensword]

Looks like in the end, I failed.

Modifié par Ravensword, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:24 .

[Homebound]

I made a lil poll with tali on it again. She performed wonderfully. U know how well Tali does on a poll. Anyways, it seems like most people see her as a rogue/mage hybrid with emphasis on the rogue. or just a rogue. definitely not a warrior. Tali is a rogue/bard if she was a da:O character. Tali = Leliana!

[GoG ToXiC]

God, will you all just shut up? This thread isn't meant for discussing the ethics of meta-gaming and Saphra's inability to even comprehend the idea that somebody else MIGHT have a differing opinion that isn't completely worthless. Just write off any post under his/her name as pointless, annoying, ****y, or whatever else you want to call it and move on. Saphra's an overbearing, arrogant, **** and you don't like him/her, we get it. Saphra, you seem to think everyone else is an ignorant fool, we get it. Shut up and take your thread derailing arguments to some website where you don't get the thread locked by hating on each other. All it does is make us sane people look bad.

Good night, I'm out.

EDIT: Damn, I was like a page behind there.  No matter, my annoyance with you all still holds strong. 

Modifié par GoG ToXiC, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:31 .

[GoG ToXiC]

Saphra Deden wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Shut up and take your thread derailing arguments to some website where you don't get the thread locked by hating on each other. All it does is make us sane people look bad.

Good night, I'm out.

Now that entire post isn't very nice.

The last eight pages of this thread weren't very nice.  It didn't stop you guys.

[Nashiktal]

Hellbound555 wrote...

remember how this thread used to be about how much we all loved tali?

good times.

And that is one reason why I hate character threads. Sure loving a character is great, but these character threads forcing discussion and debate into only praise is ridiculous.

You can't discuss anything negative about a character in the character threads because the community in them just wont go along with it (this is a thread for tali fans get out!), yet if you make a thread about it outside of the tali thread, it gets locked and you are told to discuss tali in the... you guessed it tali thread.

The us vs them mentality just isn't healthy for the forums.

Now saphra might get rude quite often but that doesn't discount the points being made. I can see where saphra is coming from here. Rael commited war crimes, (if not to the geth, then to the crew of the ship, they can't all be part of the project. Its a big ship) and to saphra's point of view he needs to pay for them.

I always get tali exonerated, but I can see it as a selfish act depending on why you did it. An entire ship dead because of rael, and shep covers it all up because tali wants him/her to preserve his good name. I see that as a good thing. Tali is a person,she's only "human" if you know what I mean. Her selfish plea is a moment of weakness made in a horrible situation, she panicked. Hell I would think that given enough time, Tali would get over the fact her father had to pay for his crimes and forgive shep, at least partially if he decides to tell the fleet the truth.

The choice to reveal rael's work isn't there to torture tali, its a choice, another example of morale ambiguity bioware has been trying to infuse into their game for years. Their are legitimiate reasons to choose any option in a bioware game.

[Ravensword]

I think what really angers people is that not presenting the evidence nets people Paragon points instead of Renegade.

[GoG ToXiC]

Nashiktal wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

remember how this thread used to be about how much we all loved tali?

good times.

And that is one reason why I hate character threads. Sure loving a character is great, but these character threads forcing discussion and debate into only praise is ridiculous.

You can't discuss anything negative about a character in the character threads because the community in them just wont go along with it (this is a thread for tali fans get out!), yet if you make a thread about it outside of the tali thread, it gets locked and you are told to discuss tali in the... you guessed it tali thread.

The us vs them mentality just isn't healthy for the forums.

Now saphra might get rude quite often but that doesn't discount the points being made. I can see where saphra is coming from here. Rael commited war crimes, (if not to the geth, then to the crew of the ship, they can't all be part of the project. Its a big ship) and to saphra's point of view he needs to pay for them.

I always get tali exonerated, but I can see it as a selfish act depending on why you did it. An entire ship dead because of rael, and shep covers it all up because tali wants him/her to preserve his good name. I see that as a good thing. Tali is a person,she's only "human" if you know what I mean. Her selfish plea is a moment of weakness made in a horrible situation, she panicked. Hell I would think that given enough time, Tali would get over the fact her father had to pay for his crimes and forgive shep, at least partially if he decides to tell the fleet the truth.

The choice to reveal rael's work isn't there to torture tali, its a choice, another example of morale ambiguity bioware has been trying to infuse into their game for years. Their are legitimiate reasons to choose any option in a bioware game.

Your ability to see both sides of the issue encourage me to actually engage in discussion.  The way I see it is that Shepard is a military officer.  His parents were officers in the military.  All that military history should lead to him being able to make tactical decisions on the fly.  Now if he took the time to consider the effects of said data being released to the public... well it's not much of a stretch that he'd see how it would tear the fleet apart.  Think about it.  The head admiral of the fleet skips protocol and performs illegal and unsafe actions without the sanction of the other admirals, resulting in the death of every soul on his ship.  The video included with the data encourages the notion that he did this for selfish reasons involving his daughter, risking his crews lives to speed up the process for her.  

Along with that, we already have the fleet split into to three main camps.  Peace, War, and Indecisive.  Upon the revealing of that data, the warmongers can say they are on track for weapons research that can reclaim the homeworld.  The ones who want peace can look to the fate of the Alerei and say that the same thing could happen many times over again.  The two factions would split and those undecided would be forced to pick a side. 

Now... That's just what went through my head when making the decision.  Not sure about you guys.

[SuperEngineer]

[Homebound]

look at this...

[Ravensword]

Like brandishing a firearm in public.