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[DoNotIngest]

Question:



If Tali could use a Heavy Weapon, which would she choose?

[Ravensword]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Question:



If Tali could use a Heavy Weapon, which would she choose?

Either the Arc Projector or the Blackstorm. She'll need the Blackstorm b/c it's useful against the Geth, and the Blackstorm simply b/c it's badass b/c it shoots dying stars and it's high tech.

Modifié par Ravensword, 03 novembre 2011 - 07:00 .

[Rokku-X]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Question:



If Tali could use a Heavy Weapon, which would she choose?

M-490 Blackstorm.

I could gush about this gun for hours, and it just seems to make the most sense given how high tech and interesting it is. It makes the engineer in me giddy.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rokku-X wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Your enemy ALWAYS knows where your planets are, and can fire at anything on the surface from high orbit at their leisure.  They can "pop out" there, and do just as much damage as they can "popping out" in your fleet.   There's nothing special about having a planet unless you bury everything under thousands of feet of solid rock.  Planets can't run away, maneuver, or hide. 

If the reapers could safely raze an entire planet from space, there'd be no reason for them to be descending to the surface and attacking it, as evidenced by screenshots that we've seen so far. If they had magic death rays that could obliterate an entire planet and it's surface from huge distances, there wouldn't be any game to play, because resistance would be completely impossible.

If you really don't understand why an ambush is worse than being forced to attack someone head-on in a fortified position, I can't help you.

Go read the entries for dozens of random planets in ME and ME2.  There's evidence all over the galaxy of "someone" bombarding planets from space with mass accelerator weapons and wiping out entire populations.  The Reapers have done it before.  You don't need to obliterate a planet or slag its entire surface to wipe out the population -- just destroy the infrastruture and cause sufficient ecological damage.   It has already been established that the Reapers can raze and have razed entire planets from the safety of space. 

If the Reapers wish to enslave or harvest the population of a planet, they need to land, or their enslaved forces need to land.  Otherwise, no need at all.  A planet is not a "fortified" position once the enemy holds orbit -- they can just start dropping rocks on anything like want at that point, and you're done. 

As for the "ambush", a planet is no more proof against the sudden appearance of an enemy out of FTL than a fleet is.  If they use a Mass Relay, then the only fleet more vulnerable is one that happens to be very near the relay.  If they use non-Relay FTL, then they can appear within firing distance of your planet just as easily as they can appear within firing distance of your fleet -- and unlike a fleet, your planet is always at a known position.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 03 novembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[Rokku-X]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

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Last rebuttal on this and then I'm done. It's drifted too far off topic.

Watch the fall of Earth trailer. The reapers are, for one reason or another, being forced to descend onto Earth's surface and continue their battle there. If, as you think, they possess an orbital cannon, then why? The only two options there would be that they have a vested interest in not obliterating the human race (unlikely, and goes against prior "evidence"), or they simply don't possess such a weapon.

If they had an interest in capturing, subduing, or anything else, the threat of a blast from an orbital cannon capable of devastating the planet would be enough of a threat to force a surrender. Clearly though (assuming said cannon ever actually belonged to them) they have no issues with using said weapon, so why bother sending in ground troops to do the dirty work past the point of surrender or die?

If they had or have it, they have some sort of interest in not using it, which takes it off the table. Being forced to descend through Earth's atmosphere (or any other planet) gives the defending forces a leg up. A bunch of ships on the other hand, mobile or not, are capable of being jumped on top of, swiftly disabled via cyber warfare or attacks on their engines, and picked off or boarded at leisure.

And again, if they had an orbital cannon, there'd be no war to speak of. They'd already have their checkmate, and everyone would have lost before anything ever started. Either way, I'm done.

Modifié par Rokku-X, 03 novembre 2011 - 07:41 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rokku-X wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

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Last rebuttal on this and then I'm done. It's drifted too far off topic.

Watch the fall of Earth trailer. The reapers are, for one reason or another, being forced to descend onto Earth's surface and continue their battle there. If, as you think, they possess an orbital cannon, then why? The only two options there would be that they have a vested interest in not obliterating the human race (unlikely, and goes against prior "evidence"), or they simply don't possess such a weapon.

If they had an interest in capturing, subduing, or anything else, the threat of a blast from an orbital cannon capable of devastating the planet would be enough of a threat to force a surrender. Clearly though (assuming said cannon ever actually belonged to them) they have no issues with using said weapon, so why bother sending in ground troops to do the dirty work past the point of surrender or die?

If they had or have it, they have some sort of interest in not using it, which takes it off the table. Being forced to descend through Earth's atmosphere (or any other planet) gives the defending forces a leg up. A bunch of ships on the other hand, mobile or not, are capable of being jumped on top of, swiftly disabled via cyber warfare or attacks on their engines, and picked off or boarded at leisure.

And again, if they had an orbital cannon, there'd be no war to speak of. They'd already have their checkmate, and everyone would have lost before anything ever started. Either way, I'm done.

Done indeed.  

Where on earth did you get the idea that the Reapers want to obliterate the human species?  It's made blatently clear that they in fact wish to harvest the human species.  That is their reason for taking Earth instead of obliterating everything from orbit. 

Planet after planet in ME1 and ME2 shows signs of bombardment from space and the obliteration of those who lived there at the time.  Who do you think did that, Space Elves? 

[Nashiktal]

Aside from which I am sure the reapers already hit the hard targets before landing. Unfortunately for the quarians, every ship is a vulnerable target. If the reapers get anywhere near them they will be torn apart like tissue paper.

[Spartanburger]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Question:



If Tali could use a Heavy Weapon, which would she choose?

Does commander Shepard count as a heavy weapon?

[Rokku-X]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Question:



If Tali could use a Heavy Weapon, which would she choose?

Flamethrower for chasing bugs through air-ducts on leaky, dank, dark, quarian ships.

You know, when the topic of heavy weapons came up, this was actually the first image that popped in my head.

Modifié par Rokku-X, 04 novembre 2011 - 12:16 .

[Cheese of Borg]

Hellbound555 wrote...

its amazing what you can find in the old flotilla.

Last panel=rapeface!

[retic]

Hmmm. Not so sure if I posted this in the right thread...buuuut in my latest playthrough of ME2 (PS3 gamer here, so I only have the interactive comic as my "ME1 playthrough"), I romanced Liara in "ME1" and then ditched her for Tali in ME2.

Any speculation how screwed up my character/Tali/both of the above will be in ME3?

I haven't played ME1 but is it just me or are we going to smell a potential catfight bet. the 2 (Tali and Liara)?

[Runescapeguy9]

there will be a reaction, we don't know what it will be other than a few tweets saying "ouch"

[Swordfish56]

More teasers for ME3 LI's. I am sure Tali is included in this one.

Played through all the key relationships. Deepest, strongest I've seen in a game. These characters are real people. - Mac Walters

https://twitter.com/...298123136598017

[retic]

here's to crossing fingers that your LI in ME2 will not end up like Aeris/Aerith in FF7 (must...not...JINX!!!)

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I can't wait for Mac Walters to make a tweet where he expresses disappointment in the game. Wait, that won't happen, now will it?

I'd like to see some more conflict in the relationships. You'd think Tali romancing a Renegade would a little different. Like she'd be more surprised and nervous about it.

I created a pro-Cerberus Talimancer in the vain hope it would create some drama and conflict.

[sites32]

retic wrote...

Hmmm. Not so sure if I posted this in the right thread...buuuut in my latest playthrough of ME2 (PS3 gamer here, so I only have the interactive comic as my "ME1 playthrough"), I romanced Liara in "ME1" and then ditched her for Tali in ME2.

Any speculation how screwed up my character/Tali/both of the above will be in ME3?

I haven't played ME1 but is it just me or are we going to smell a potential catfight bet. the 2 (Tali and Liara)?

You should give me1 a playthrough its such an awesome game. Its a bit clunky in the shooting department but awesome none the less. I just finished a playthrough of it and it never gets old. But you will hate one thing, the Mako.

[FourthFithsCrazy]

Saphra Deden wrote...
I can't wait for Mac Walters to make a tweet where he expresses disappointment
in the game. Wait, that won't happen, now will it?

Who knows, maybe he might just say that oh who am I kidding...

Saphra Deden wrote...
I'd like to see some more conflict in the relationships. You'd think Tali
romancing a Renegade would a little different. Like she'd be more surprised and
nervous about it.

I would have/would like to see that for everyone.  Paragon Shep making Jack uncomfortable (he's too good for her or she sees him as a being morally pompous), Tali being more nervous but perhaps a bit flirtier (he's a bad boy, and we know girls like the bad boys) and Miranda perhaps 'flaunting' it a bit more for renegade shep and playing more sultry for Paragon.  Ahh, the possibilities…

DoNotIngest wrote...
Question:
If Tali could use a Heavy Weapon, which would she choose?

Let's see...

     Grenade launcher: Nope, not her style.  Messy, loud, and more focused on brute power than finesse.

     Rocket Launcher: Same as the grenade launcher

     Blackstorm:  Very science-y and good crowd control.  However, the wined-up time doesn't help her squishy nature and it doesn't quite gel with her "anti-tech" nature. It's a possibility, but I see her being more interested in tinkering with it (and watching Shepard use it) than with her actually taking it to the battlefield.

      Avalanche: Good against everything, works well as a close range support (anything that allows Tali to hang back and harass is good), and frozen enemies are perfect targets for a shotgun to the face. 
And the thing would look perfect on her (right size and shape and it matches her outfit!).  Strong possibility, I could really see her using this on general missions.

       Firestorm:  While I would love to see some fan art of her holding one of these puppies in a suggestive pose, it's just not right for her.  Very messy, loud, and requires her to get in the enemies face.  And anything that makes a Quarian stand face to face with an enemy is a bad thing.

       Arc Projector:  This is the other really strong option for Tali.  It's science-y, it's got great harass and
crowd control which suit her perfectly and it's VERY anti-tech.  This is the closest you get to anti-geth weaponry.  Probably the strongest pick, especially if Tali knows there's going to be Geth.

       Collector Particle Beam:  It's science-y, but it's Bio-science, and so both the look and type just clash with her tech style and it's a focus damage weapon that requires the user to keep line of sight on
the target (Tali prefers a harass style of combat).  It's a seat behind the Blackstorm.

And last but not least...

        THE CAIN:  Ahh, the mother of all heavy weapons.  The "there's no kill like overkill."  The big one.  And while everyone admires this weapon (come on, admit it, you wish you could justify bringing this bad boy on every
mission) this weapon is one of the worst for Tali.  The weapon screams 'brute strength' (firing it would probably launch her across the room) it's the loudest and messiest weapon ever and it absolutely is not close quarters
friendly (the other thing you have to admit is that you've vaporized yourself at least once with this gun).  So no, she'd never use it but I'm sure she gets a thrill every time she sees Shepard use it.

So our winners are the Avalanche and the Arc Projector.  And while I think the Arc is slightly more her anti-tech/harass style, I just keep seeing her using the Avalanche and it looking so dang right in her hands (or on her back).  And it'd make for some 'cool' fan art.  Because ice is just as sexy as fire.

Modifié par FourthFithsCrazy, 04 novembre 2011 - 08:21 .

[Sebby]

Arc Projector would be an interesting choice since it's a Cerberus design.....

[Rokku-X]

Saphra Deden wrote...

FourthFithsCrazy wrote...

Tali being more nervous but perhaps a bit flirtier (he's a bad boy, and we know girls like the bad boys)

Oh I like that. She can tease him about being adventerous... maybe taunt him about how he ought to demonstrate what makes humans so great...



    

I would honestly love to see more dialogue variations like this. And not just in the sense of romances either, it'd be fantastic if the whole Paragon/Renegade meters had a more over-arching and pronounced effect on the game and how people spoke and reacted to Shep, instead of just serving as a free pass option during a couple of events.

It's one of those things that'd be a pain in the ass from a development standpoint, but my god would it be worth it.

Modifié par Rokku-X, 04 novembre 2011 - 01:59 .

[Homebound]

what do you think tali's new power is in mass3?

[Spartanburger]

Hellbound555 wrote...

what do you think tali's new power is in mass3?

Pounce.

[ZenJestr]

Tali Pounce is a mix of Charge and Dominate

if the target survives, they get "AI Hax'd"

target stays dominated until Tali gets knocked out, at which point they will kamikaze the enemy lines