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[RogueWriter3201]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, it's as she said. Her mother was overshadowed by her father something fierce before she got ill and died.

Though, it wouldn't hurt to talk about her.

Overshadowed is one thing. However, with her father, she borderline looses her proverbial **** when she and Shepard find his remains on the Alerai. But, with her mother, there's not even a hint of remorse or loss when she mentions her death. It's almost literally a shrug. Tali just doesn't seem that heartless. If anything, she's always worn her heart on her sleave, so to speak. So to show almost no emotion over her mother's death is just odd and seems very out of character for her. If she had hated her mom I might understand, however, she seems to show nothing. Aside from Raan mentioning when Tali was born in ME2, that's it. I can't but feel this was the writers avoiding, for whatever reason, fleshing out another periphiral character or Family history. 

[Frostmourne86]

The concept of only having one parent around is a staple trope of backstory's - heck, even Luke Skywalker had only one parent still alive, even if he didn't know it at the time!

[Ammonite]

glenboy24 wrote...

Overshadowed is one thing. However, with her father, she borderline looses her proverbial **** when she and Shepard find his remains on the Alerai. But, with her mother, there's not even a hint of remorse or loss when she mentions her death. It's almost literally a shrug.

Might be that she's had the time she needed to process or even accept her mother's death. Also, with her father, there was still some hope that he wasn't dead and so it came as a shock. (also, hello Tali thread!)

[sites32]

I do hope we get to see Raan again in 3, for the brief time you encounter her on the flotilla you want to talk with her more. Seeing raan and tali interact was very cool. The whole bubble conversation was heartwarming.

[Unschuld]

sitesunseen wrote...

I do hope we get to see Raan again in 3, for the brief time you encounter her on the flotilla you want to talk with her more. Seeing raan and tali interact was very cool. The whole bubble conversation was heartwarming.

The voice actor has been confirmed for some time, so I'd imagine Shaala'Raan would make another appearance. I agree, she was a pretty cool character. Having a voice actress with an incredibly awesome and distinctive voice helps too. 

Modifié par Unschuld, 05 décembre 2011 - 11:06 .

[Someone With Mass]

sitesunseen wrote...

I do hope we get to see Raan again in 3, for the brief time you encounter her on the flotilla you want to talk with her more. Seeing raan and tali interact was very cool. The whole bubble conversation was heartwarming.

She'll be there.

*spoiler*She'll even be responsible for a small part of the fleet during the geth/quarian conflict, just like the other admirals. If you're quoting this, the color code will disappear, so I'd appreciate if could either delete this part or put in the color code again.*spoiler*

[sites32]

Off topic a bit but I saw her va on a show awhile back and I swear I couldn't stop picturing her as a quarian.

[RogueWriter3201]

Well, the emotions thing aside, it just would have been nice to have Tali talk a bit more about her mother, sort of fill out her relationship with her. Were they close in light of her Father's larger then live aspects, were there special moments she remembers? Especially given how close the Spacer Shepard is with his mother it would be great for them to talk about their respective parents. When you romance Ashley in ME1 there's a whole long conversation about how your parents and hers were military and what the life was like. Would be nice to have something like that between John and Tali.

[Nashiktal]

Glenboy you should actually know some of this already. Her mother was apparently so meek that she just blends into the background of her memories, not to mention she died while tali was young so memories will be fuzzy at best.

[Someone With Mass]

Calinstel wrote...

Tali was ~17 when her mother died, so yeah, young but not that young.

Could be repressed memories too.

[Nashiktal]

Calinstel wrote...

Tali was ~17 when her mother died, so yeah, young but not that young.

Around the same time my grandpa died, and hell about the same amount of time has passed for me. My memory is getting fuzzy about him too, and he was nowhere as meek as tali's mother apparently was. If tali describes her as the type to fade into the background of her memory... well I don't think there is a whole lot there to explain.

You would have better luck learning more about tali's moth from raan.

[RogueWriter3201]

Nashiktal wrote...

Glenboy you should actually know some of this already. Her mother was apparently so meek that she just blends into the background of her memories, not to mention she died while tali was young so memories will be fuzzy at best.

Gee, thanks for pointing out what I should or should not know. In point of fact, Tali's dialogue post Shepard's inquiry concerning her mother is, "Mother was around. But she just sort of faded into the background. I suppose she felt overshadowed by my Father." Then Tali mentions that she died from the Virus that swept through the fleet after Air Filters broke down. My whole point is that it just would have been nice to learn more about her mother beyond the quick reference and post-mordum. To me, it would add another layer to Tali's youth and backstory as opposed to always focusing on her father.

Often, children are defined by the actions/personalities of both parents, and Tali would have known her mother long enough (17 years) to have aspects of her mother imprint on her. From what we knew of her father, Tali, very likely, resembles her mother more in certain ways; her compassion, her sensitivity, her charm. As such, it would have been great to learn more about the woman other then what Tali imparts to us, what little of that there is, or what Raan mentions. As I said, it feels like the writers just did not want to add much more to Tali's background as, at the time, she was not a central character of interest for Shepard, i.e. Romance option. With ME2, this could have been rectified beyond the Bubble Story. The fact that they didn't, especially in light of Tali loosing her other parent, just seemed strange. It would have a great moment after the events with the Alerai if Tali said something along the lines of, "This reminds me of when I lost my mother..." and goes on from there, via Shepard's dialogue, describing how she always tried to not think about her mother, but her father's death had brought old memories back, and so forth. That's what I was getting at.   

[Unschuld]

glenboy24 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Glenboy you should actually know some of this already. Her mother was apparently so meek that she just blends into the background of her memories, not to mention she died while tali was young so memories will be fuzzy at best.

Gee, thanks for pointing out what I should or should not know. In point of fact, Tali's dialogue post Shepard's inquiry concerning her mother is, "Mother was around. But she just sort of faded into the background. I suppose she felt overshadowed by my Father." Then Tali mentions that she died from the Virus that swept through the fleet after Air Filters broke down. My whole point is that it just would have been nice to learn more about her mother beyond the quick reference and post-mordum. To me, it would add another layer to Tali's youth and backstory as opposed to always focusing on her father.

Often, children are defined by the actions/personalities of both parents, and Tali would have known her mother long enough (17 years) to have aspects of her mother imprint on her. From what we knew of her father, Tali, very likely, resembles her mother more in certain ways; her compassion, her sensitivity, her charm. As such, it would have been great to learn more about the woman other then what Tali imparts to us, what little of that there is, or what Raan mentions. As I said, it feels like the writers just did not want to add much more to Tali's background as, at the time, she was not a central character of interest for Shepard, i.e. Romance option. With ME2, this could have been rectified beyond the Bubble Story. The fact that they didn't, especially in light of Tali loosing her other parent, just seemed strange. It would have a great moment after the events with the Alerai if Tali said something along the lines of, "This reminds me of when I lost my mother..." and goes on from there, via Shepard's dialogue, describing how she always tried to not think about her mother, but her father's death had brought old memories back, and so forth. That's what I was getting at.   

I can agree with this, mostly. Either the writers didn't feel it was important (for some reason) hence the oversight, or there's other factors within the story that we just don't know about.

[exelsis]

0-1 parent between the two of them hug, because hugs are nice.

[Nashiktal]

The thing is glenboy, her father WAS her childhood. Thats her whole character arc for ME1 AND 2. She is the daughter of an admiral and all that, and her mother apparently faded in the background.

[RogueWriter3201]

Nashiktal wrote...

The thing is glenboy, her father WAS her childhood. Thats her whole character arc for ME1 AND 2. She is the daughter of an admiral and all that, and her mother apparently faded in the background.

Actually, Nash, the thing is that's not an accurate summation, in the slightest. Had her mother died when Tali was born, or when Tali was very, *very* young, i.e. still a toddler, then yes, her father would have been her whole life. However, her mother was with her for a good portion of her youth, and while she might not have had a direct or immediate impact on Tali's life in the grand scheme of what was expected of her because of her father's role on the Admirality, she none the less played a part in her development, i.e. the woman Tali became. As such, Tali reflecting on that expands on her life before Shepard and on the character as a whole.

Am I saying it's required for me to love Tali? No. Am I saying that it seemed strange (to me and others) to not focus more on it and that it would simply be nice to have that *extra* layer to the character? Yes. And while you just see Tali as "The Daughter of an Admiral" I do not, nor do I think the writers ever meant to impart that; in point of fact, what I think they meant to impart was how Tali wanted, and was, *more* then just the daughter of an Admiral. She wanted to make her own mark, prove she could stand outside her Father's shadow. And, you know what? She did. And perhaps that had more to do with her mother then anything else. 

Modifié par glenboy24, 06 décembre 2011 - 01:19 .

[Dilandau3000]

What I think it comes down to is that Tali feels like she was defined by her father more than her mother, even if that may not be strictly accurate.

What's more, she didn't seem to want to go into it any further, and maybe the pain of her mother's loss has something to do with that. For Shepard to press her further would be rather rude, especially in ME1 when the two are not yet all that close.

From an out-of-continuity perspective, there's only so many details you can fit into a script. Tali's father is not only important to Tali, he's also important to the story as a whole due to his role in the Migrant Fleet and his experiments with the geth. Naturally, this leads to the writers giving him priority.

[sites32]

exelsis wrote...

0-1 parent between the two of them hug, because hugs are nice.

Quarian hugs are the best.

[exelsis]

sitesunseen wrote...

exelsis wrote...

0-1 parent between the two of them hug, because hugs are nice.

Quarian hugs are the best.

I just realized that everyone on the squad really needs some quarian hug time. Tali is now orphaned, 2/3 of sheps are orphans, thane was given away by his parents at 6, samara killed one daughter and the other two are imprisoned, garrus has family issues, grunt has no family, kasumi never speaks of her family and her boyfriend is dead, zaeed is romantically involved with an assault rifle, jack never saw her parents and is an experiment gone wrong, miranda is a sterile runaway with a twin over a decade younger than she, and jacob's dad shot himself in the head. The normandy is a ship full of orphans, test tube babies, estranged children, a thousand year old space cop, and a robot with a thing for shepard.  Lets get a group hug. We'll need it.

[Someone With Mass]

sitesunseen wrote...

Quarian hugs are the best.

Indeed.

[sites32]

@exelsis
lol Damn maybe the Alliance should place a therapist onboard the Normandy.