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[BentOrgy]

Nashiktal wrote...

she is more the snarky engineer girl downstairs that sometimes comes up to yell and/or flirt with shep.

Didn't think it was possible, but I think I have a new reason to love Tali; that imagery is priceless.

[Nashiktal]

BentOrgy wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

she is more the snarky engineer girl downstairs that sometimes comes up to yell and/or flirt with shep.

Didn't think it was possible, but I think I have a new reason to love Tali; that imagery is priceless.

I should have added a bit more involving her going back down stairs, didn't think about it at the time.

[sites32]

I ordered the ce for 3. It would be awesome (well for tali fans) instead of a n7 patch it came with a purple swirl handkerchief (yes i'd carry it everywhere) and a download for some purple swirl bedsheets for shepards quarters : ). Sorry but I loves dem swirls!

[Nashiktal]

If I remember correctly vega is a veteran too calinstel, at least for alliance space. He is only wide eyed and noobie to the whole alien galactic politics thing.

[Dilandau3000]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ah, I got it wrong. He calls her ...

Wait, so James Vega is a Wing Commander fan?


And hey, I can think of worse associations for Tali than the TCS Concordia's number one fighter tech.

[Someone With Mass]

That's pretty damn cool.

That nickname might grow on me after all.

[Unschuld]

Calinstel wrote...

I'm Navy, well, retired Navy.  I'll call marines Jarheads any day! 

And no.  Didn't read any of the script for Vega.  New guys do NOT give nicknames to vets.  If you're military, you know that.

And sometimes we like to call you "squids"... 

Semper Fidelis. Yut yut.

Nashiktal wrote...

I should have clarified, its not the jarhead I had issue with as much as the "idiot" part. Granted the family member I have in mind didn't have a college education but still. 

To be technical tali isn't military. She has military training I believe, but she is more the snarky engineer girl downstairs that sometimes comes up to yell and/or flirt with shep.

That's actually one of the reasons Tali felt more "comfortable" as a LI. Outside the chain of command. As if Ash in the first game wasn't enough, my adjutant getting cute with me within the first few minutes of ME2 nearly made be blow a blood vessel in my eye.

Calinstel wrote...

Hah, sorry.  The idiot was for Vega, not the Marines.  I see no point in having it aboard the Normandy as there were plenty of crew that could have been used.  

And I was referring to Vega, not Tali, when I stated giving nicknames.  Every Marine I ever meet was actually rather respectful towards others, and always towards their superiors.  And any of Shepards team are his surperiors.  Um, just don't get them drinking, all bets off then. 

Put more of the stuff in the thing... *hic* where the more stuff goes in..

Calinstel wrote...
That said, it is out of character for him to be giving nicknames to any of the crew.  And just plain rude to do it to seasoned vets.  That goes for Tali, Garrus, Liara, Ashley or any of the ME2 crew as well.  He is not their piers, he has not done what they have.  And a newb does not do that in the military, ever.  

I can somewhat forgive this, seeing as Bioware had an E-5 (I'm speculating that there aren't any "inbetween" ranks shown) hitting on her commanding officer right out of the box. I can't remember the last time a ship's CO and XO went down to lead point on every single ground operation either, lol. Oh, and beards. Beards everywhere. As long as Vega's character is done well, he won't end up running laps around the quarterdeck. Maybe.

Modifié par Unschuld, 09 décembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ah, I got it wrong. He calls her ...

Wait, so James Vega is a Wing Commander fan?


And hey, I can think of worse associations for Tali than the TCS Concordia's number one fighter tech.

Oh...My...God! Nostalgia Overload...!

[Dilandau3000]

Unschuld wrote...

I can somewhat forgive this, seeing as Bioware had an E-5 (I'm speculating that there aren't any "inbetween" ranks shown) hitting on her commanding officer right out of the box.

Are you talking about Kelly?

Isn't everyone on the Normandy SR-2 non-military, considering that Cerberus is not a military organization?

[Unschuld]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I can somewhat forgive this, seeing as Bioware had an E-5 (I'm speculating that there aren't any "inbetween" ranks shown) hitting on her commanding officer right out of the box.

Are you talking about Kelly?

Isn't everyone on the Normandy SR-2 non-military, considering that Cerberus is not a military organization?

You know it.

Yes, but it's still an organized unit. Even civilian operations have a chain of command. I'm not a complete hard-ass about this issue, maybe not as much as I make it seem, but it still irks me a bit.
In summation:

"I didn't hear an 'officer on deck'! I run this ship military. Do you two think this is all a joke?!?"
I never chose that dialogue option but I find it pretty hilarious considering the other things mentioned. Maybe I will next time. 

[Unschuld]

Calinstel wrote...

@Unschuld:

First, let me say I have nothing but respect for the Marines. There has always been sniping back and forth with them and the Navy.
*snippage*

Bwahaha! No offence taken, no worries. A little interbranch rivalry and occasional ribbing is all good. In the end, its one big, happy family. That being said, there are plenty of "Vegas" around to perpetuate the jarhead stereotype.

I do feel bad about derailing the topic a bit recently though, I just like to connect life experience into the game and I feel it influences a great deal of my decisions.

Never thought of Tali as a Marine before. I guess she does fit into the combat engineer category, and there's no one else on the team I'd rather take with to dispose a bomb (besides Legion perhaps). I don't see why some people still view her as a "kid". She's young, but like you said there was a pretty significant change in her personality/maturity between the first two games.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I thought that the most outspoken example of how her character had developed was at Haestrom when her holographic image was speaking to Shepard. I imagine that in ME1, she would have focussed more on seeing Shepard again, and talking about the situation she is in and expressing guilt about how quarians had given their lives for her.

But in ME2, she gets over the initial shock of seeing Shepard (again!) and calmly relays instructions to him/her in order to help the quarians covering her. She doesn't play the part of a damsel in distress, but showed a lot of maturity.

[Unschuld]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I thought that the most outspoken example of how her character had developed was at Haestrom when her holographic image was speaking to Shepard. I imagine that in ME1, she would have focussed more on seeing Shepard again, and talking about the situation she is in and expressing guilt about how quarians had given their lives for her.

But in ME2, she gets over the initial shock of seeing Shepard (again!) and calmly relays instructions to him/her in order to help the quarians covering her. She doesn't play the part of a damsel in distress, but showed a lot of maturity.

Reading the letter she was writing in the Shadow Broker files actually made me sad.

[Alpha90]

Unschuld wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I thought that the most outspoken example of how her character had developed was at Haestrom when her holographic image was speaking to Shepard. I imagine that in ME1, she would have focussed more on seeing Shepard again, and talking about the situation she is in and expressing guilt about how quarians had given their lives for her.

But in ME2, she gets over the initial shock of seeing Shepard (again!) and calmly relays instructions to him/her in order to help the quarians covering her. She doesn't play the part of a damsel in distress, but showed a lot of maturity.

Reading the letter she was writing in the Shadow Broker files actually made me sad.

 what did that letter say again?

[exelsis]

It was a log of Tali attempting to write a letter to the families of the marines and other members of the Haestrom group. She writes a line or two, deletes it, reapeat several times.

[Someone With Mass]

Alpha90 wrote...

 what did that letter say again?

It was mostly her writing letters to the families of the soldiers that died on Haestrom and constantly rewriting them, because she didn't know how to break the news to them.

[Unschuld]

I've hated the Shadow Broker from the very beginnings of the series. Way too much power to have, especially when you consider that someone as technologically conscious as Tali can notice all of the bugs on the SR-2 but not the one monitoring her suit and omnitool. Sure, in a way it brought a sort of balance to the power of the galaxy's nations, at least until he stupidly tried to make deals with the reapers through the collectors. If Shep can be so DERP at times, yet be able to put all the pieces of that together, something is wrong.

If Liara turns into something like that, becomes drunk and over-inflated with power, I think she might have to be off'ed. I'd have Shepard send one last "Haha! Screw you guys, I'm goin' home!" to all of SB's contacts and plunge the station into the heart of that planet.

Modifié par Unschuld, 09 décembre 2011 - 08:00 .

[Someone With Mass]

Oh, there's no need for that. Trust me.

[Unschuld]

Good. I felt bad enough having Shep tell Liara "There's nothing between us", I'd imagine aerating her torso would feel worse.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I doubt they were thinking what can we do to bring on the Tali flames and s/s cries. I think someone was tasked to make the SB dossiers on everyone and they got to Tali and went ...... what the crap do I do about her? So they tried to just toss things in there and what this person chose to write that they thought would be interesting to know about her turns into generating speculations, wishes of retcon, flames, and more Tali fans all in one swoop. I very much doubt anyone intended these files to be anything more then interesting facts on your crewmen.

[Nashiktal]

I don't see what the big deal is. Anyone who knows anything about networking knows that there is no such thing as perfect or impregnable security. The only way for a quarian to not have any risk to security would be to not have their suit have any networking functionality at all, and we already know tali doesn't do that.

Her download logs would be easy enough to get no need for any special explanation, a simple bribe to whatever company is selling or hosting the software is sufficient to gain that knowledge. Add a keylogger to nervestim "pro" (hiding the keylogger under the extra features) and you instantly have a way to find out about the letters she was writing.

Honestly with the resources avaislbe to the shadow broker I wouldn't be surprised if he has small army of white, grey, and black hats creating new hacking methods and ways to defeat them.

[Unschuld]

I hate to be a 'Yes' man, but I agree with part from both of those posts. As I said before, while I find the fact that these private files were ferreted out to be unbelievable, Tali's letter to the deceased Quarians under her command was touching to say the least (and a welcome insight into her character). It struck a particular chord within me.

In regards to the other document, I think no matter what is done any certain fanbase will be criticized by other "competing" fanbases, especially the Tali/Dextro group because of our perceived favorable treatment by the developers.