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[Zkyire]

DoNotIngest wrote...

From what I've heard, the Geth just stay in space stations orbiting Rannoch, though they keep the planet well-tended and suitable for Quarian habitation, apparently. Makes me think they've been hoping for peace for a while. And makes the option of a certain house on a homeworld seem very likely for ME3...


(Though I want those Geth *out*. Seriously, no need straining the newfound happehness, they're fine whatever part of the Galaxy they're in)

The problem is the Quarians, as stated by Legion, and backed up by (Han Gerrel I think) that the Quarians have attacked again and again whenever they saw a chance).

So I dunno, the whole "build a house on the homeworld"  thing seems a bit farfetched unless the Quarians get their act together and actually TRY for peace.

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 29 juin 2011 - 12:44 .

[DoNotIngest]

As the good Admiral said, "That does not mean that the argument should not be made."

Did you see any Geth popping into the Migrant Fleet and saying "Cheerio! We've tended your lovely homeworld and guarded it with our satellite hubs, would you like to declare peace and move back in?"

Considering they already tried to exterminate the Quarians (Really, 17 million? They were actually still fighting when they had, say, 200 million VS tens of billions of Geth, were they?), I don't see why they'd trust them except in Shepard-like circumstances.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 29 juin 2011 - 12:45 .

[Persona RED]

I hope that via Paragon choices, that the Quarians and Geth are able to make peace. They could give an epilogue even about how they made it back onto the Citadel with representatives for both of them.

[DoNotIngest]

Logic iQ wrote...

All I know is, I love me some Tali!

Truedat!












Edit: Oh, yeah, and Blue Lines for peace, of course!

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 29 juin 2011 - 12:57 .

[78stonewobble]

Collider wrote...

Unless you want to get into something theological, humans/people were not programmed intentionally, consciously, and deliberately.
The geth on the other hand, were.

I don't think that the way the programming appeared is necessarily important. I did mean through natural selection.

[HogarthHughes 3]

I'm skeptical as to whether or not the "true" Geth really want peace. For three centuries it seems the only messenger of any kind that they have sent outside Geth space is Legion, and it was going after Shepard for some reason. Judging from the Admirals response to Legion, it is the first friendly (I use the term loosely) Geth that had ever been encountered by the Quarians since their exile. Legion can whine about the Quarians attacking every chance they have, but the Geth haven't done any better. Even if they aren't aggressive towards anything not in their area, they're still squatting in/around the Quarian home world. That and they let the Heretics be the only representation of Geth to the rest of the galaxy (homicidal AI that want to dominate all organic life), how are the Quarians (or anyone else) supposed to know that some Geth want peace if there is no attempt at communication?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

I'm skeptical as to whether or not the "true" Geth really want peace. For three centuries it seems the only messenger of any kind that they have sent outside Geth space is Legion, and it was going after Shepard for some reason. Judging from the Admirals response to Legion, it is the first friendly (I use the term loosely) Geth that had ever been encountered by the Quarians since their exile. Legion can whine about the Quarians attacking every chance they have, but the Geth haven't done any better. Even if they aren't aggressive towards anything not in their area, they're still squatting in/around the Quarian home world. That and they let the Heretics be the only representation of Geth to the rest of the galaxy (homicidal AI that want to dominate all organic life), how are the Quarians (or anyone else) supposed to know that some Geth want peace if there is no attempt at communication?

Oh look it's this debate again.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Oh look it's this debate again.

I was unaware this is a topic that has been debated to death and is thus no longer something that is appropriate to talk about.  I suppose I should expect that as the game has been out for over a year and my opinions are based off of the original game.  Was simply responding to a recent post.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 29 juin 2011 - 01:20 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Oh look it's this debate again.

I was unaware this is a topic that has been debated to death and is thus no longer something that is appropriate to talk about.  I suppose I should expect that as the game has been out for over a year and my opinions are based off of the original game.  Was simply responding to a recent post.

No no it's alright.
You're part of the new generation.
This was talked to death in thread versions 1-4 in the ME2 board.

[S.A.K]

Hey can the people who didn't vote here vote for Tali. Currently Miranda and Garrus got more likes than her. I wish to change that

Modifié par S.A.K, 29 juin 2011 - 01:33 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

T.Attwood wrote...

Topic for (potential) discussion: Something occurred to me this morning...Why are the Geth remaining on Rannoch, i.e. Tali's homeworld? As the Geth are not organic, and thus do not (I assume) require any of the resources like food, from Rannoch, wouldn't it make sense for them to simply find another world to live on, and let the Quarian's return home to live? It would be beneficial for the Geth to do this, as it removes any potential fighting and loss of Geth numbers. Could it be possible that even though the Geth are sentient now, they have no concept of death or being eradicated through war? Or perhaps they are just being 'spiteful' (a particularly annoying sentient trait) and so are squatting on Rannoch just to annoy their creators?

What are everyones thoughts?

-snip-

I'm thinking that the Geth must gain something from staying near Rannoch, if not resources then perhaps it has tactical value, or maybe they want it as a bargaining chip with the Quarians.  I sincerely doubt they'd hold it to be spiteful, but then again Legion does demonstrate that the Geth are capable of being sentimental (Shepards armor).

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 29 juin 2011 - 01:47 .

[78stonewobble]

Perhaps it took them that long to reach a concensus?

Anyways less Legion/Geth/Quarian's and more Tali in the Tali thread.

Arf... I can't drop it entirely. I really do think it's a shame that Legion on Haestrom and the Flotilla wasn't ingame or more "likely" from a players perspective. It seemed like such a good opportunity to ingame conversations and atleast on the Flotilla it really adds alot.

[78stonewobble]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

T.Attwood wrote...

Topic for (potential) discussion: Something occurred to me this morning...Why are the Geth remaining on Rannoch, i.e. Tali's homeworld? As the Geth are not organic, and thus do not (I assume) require any of the resources like food, from Rannoch, wouldn't it make sense for them to simply find another world to live on, and let the Quarian's return home to live? It would be beneficial for the Geth to do this, as it removes any potential fighting and loss of Geth numbers. Could it be possible that even though the Geth are sentient now, they have no concept of death or being eradicated through war? Or perhaps they are just being 'spiteful' (a particularly annoying sentient trait) and so are squatting on Rannoch just to annoy their creators?

What are everyones thoughts?

-snip-

I'm thinking that the Geth must gain something from staying near Rannoch, if not resources then perhaps it has tactical value, or maybe they want it as a bargaining chip with the Quarians.  I sincerely doubt they'd hold it simply hold it to be spiteful, but then again Legion does demonstrate that the Geth are capable of being sentimental (Shepards armor).

I do think that in the beginning the war had exhausted resources and needed to rebuild then expand. Afterwards the paid a certain respect to their creators and everyones losses via taking care of the planet. I do think that they kept Rannoch as a bargaining chip. It would be quite logical. 

However it would also be logical to avoid another war if possible. That would only delay the Geth's longterm plan of building a dysons sphere. Basically to avoid wasting resources and Geth programmes (in theory the could be lost).

Basically I think they want a guarantee to avoid war not only with the council races but especially the Quarians. War against the Geth would be somewhat like an extermination crusade of sorts.

[78stonewobble]

Double post: Sorry.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 29 juin 2011 - 01:45 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

T.Attwood wrote...

Topic for (potential) discussion: Something occurred to me this morning...Why are the Geth remaining on Rannoch, i.e. Tali's homeworld? As the Geth are not organic, and thus do not (I assume) require any of the resources like food, from Rannoch, wouldn't it make sense for them to simply find another world to live on, and let the Quarian's return home to live? It would be beneficial for the Geth to do this, as it removes any potential fighting and loss of Geth numbers. Could it be possible that even though the Geth are sentient now, they have no concept of death or being eradicated through war? Or perhaps they are just being 'spiteful' (a particularly annoying sentient trait) and so are squatting on Rannoch just to annoy their creators?

I can think of at least one reason the Geth would be wary of giving Rannoch back to the Quarians. As Legion said,Quarians have attacked the Geth whenever they felt like they could beat them. The Geth aren't open to peace with the Quarians because they believe the Quarians still want to eradicate them entirely, not just have their worlds back.
From this viewpoint, giving Rannoch to the Quarians would be like giving food and water to a starving man who you know has every intention to kill you once he regains his strength. For the Quarians to get Rannoch back from the Geth peacefully, they will first have to prove to the Geth that they don't intend to attack them again.

[HogarthHughes 3]

78stonewobble wrote...

I do think that in the beginning the war had exhausted resources and needed to rebuild then expand. Afterwards the paid a certain respect to their creators and everyones losses via taking care of the planet. I do think that they kept Rannoch as a bargaining chip. It would be quite logical. 

However it would also be logical to avoid another war if possible. That would only delay the Geth's longterm plan of building a dysons sphere. Basically to avoid wasting resources and Geth programmes (in theory the could be lost).

Basically I think they want a guarantee to avoid war not only with the council races but especially the Quarians. War against the Geth would be somewhat like an extermination crusade of sorts.

That makes sense, perhaps they have delayed serious communication attempts until they were ready to bargain from a position of strength.  Although they already had huge numbers during their rebellion of sorts, they had still caught the Quarians in a pretty bad spot.

Maybe it would be better to talk about just Tali in the thread devoted to her though, I'll likely just continue lurking as I have little to say about her.

[jamesp81]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Oof. Grounch n' Grump is right.



I'll remain the annoyingly lighthearted one who wishes there was a "Hug Tali" prompt that could be used indefinitely.

Manly Men have sappy hug scenes with their female counterpart.

I support hug interrupts.  Well, I guess that's a paragon interrupt.

Renegade interrupt is an ass smack.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

jamesp81 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Oof. Grounch n' Grump is right.



I'll remain the annoyingly lighthearted one who wishes there was a "Hug Tali" prompt that could be used indefinitely.

Manly Men have sappy hug scenes with their female counterpart.

I support hug interrupts.  Well, I guess that's a paragon interrupt.

Renegade interrupt is an ass smack.

*picks both*
Giggity.

[78stonewobble]

jamesp81 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Oof. Grounch n' Grump is right.



I'll remain the annoyingly lighthearted one who wishes there was a "Hug Tali" prompt that could be used indefinitely.

Manly Men have sappy hug scenes with their female counterpart.

I support hug interrupts.  Well, I guess that's a paragon interrupt.

Renegade interrupt is an ass smack.

Ahahaha ... uhm ...

Hmm ... in actuality that isn't that stupid as it sounds?!?!?

Would add a little to the romance part of the game wouldn't it?

Kinda like the idea of the LI have little bits and pieces of their past moved into Shepards cabin. Maybe something you could examine. Or even that you could sometimes find the LI in shepards cabin (offduty).

[Persona RED]

Lol like having Tali's old environmental suit in a glass case xD Just kidding. It would be kinda cute for Tali to make you your own little droid.

[PhantomSpectre]

DoNotIngest wrote...

I REALLY want to see Tali kick something in ME3. Is it asking too much to give purpose to the boot knife and see a Krogan fly across the room via Tali kick to the chest?

That would be great. But I would really want to see Tali even using that boot knife in the first place.

[PhantomSpectre]

DoNotIngest wrote...

As the good Admiral said, "That does not mean that the argument should not be made."

Did you see any Geth popping into the Migrant Fleet and saying "Cheerio! We've tended your lovely homeworld and guarded it with our satellite hubs, would you like to declare peace and move back in?"

Considering they already tried to exterminate the Quarians (Really, 17 million? They were actually still fighting when they had, say, 200 million VS tens of billions of Geth, were they?), I don't see why they'd trust them except in Shepard-like circumstances.

Yeah, though because Quarian will shoot every Geth on sight, there is just no way for Geth to even tell them that they would actually want more peaceful solution. And also there were no speaking Geth before Legion.

And what comes to Geth exterminating Quarians, best explanation I have seen for that came from one fanfiction I have read. To simply but it, When Geth numbers grew, their collective understanding grew too. And just before Quarians and their fleet left, Geth understood that they had go too far and they then let the Quarians leave.

Regardless, I just hope that there would be chance for peace between Geth/Quarians in ME3.

[PhantomSpectre]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Oh look it's this debate again.

I was unaware this is a topic that has been debated to death and is thus no longer something that is appropriate to talk about.  I suppose I should expect that as the game has been out for over a year and my opinions are based off of the original game.  Was simply responding to a recent post.

No no it's alright.
You're part of the new generation.
This was talked to death in thread versions 1-4 in the ME2 board.

And how long ago was that?

[PhantomSpectre]

And now rest of my comments about this Quarian/Geth issue.

1) Why Geth are still more or less controlling Rannoch?



2) Quarian/Geth peace.

Geth doesn't really want peace exactly. I think that they know it's not really possible, except maybe generations after time without war. No, what Geth's really want is simple: Mutual indifference.

Geth's just wants that they are left alone to build their own future. Rest of the galaxy already doesn't care them as long as their stay behind Perseus Veil. And best way to get Quarian to leave them alone is to give their habitable homeworld back to them. There is really no reason for Quarians to fight against Geth.

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 29 juin 2011 - 04:59 .