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#11226
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AVPen wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

Problem:

Tali is not so vunerable that she is sad when she does not see shepard for three hours
How the F++K did she get that round-nut in her mouth

1. There are many different kind of "sighs" in the world... I like to think that she's giving a sigh of longing while she gazes at a picture of the man she loves before starting off her day. ^_^

2. Umm, that wasn't a round-nut in her "mouth".... she was holding her gun out in front of her at the moving flowers. :?


I ment the pastery on the table.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

but I did finally find out what "Keelah se'lai" means, which was cool.


*Spoiler-ish*

About that, because I love puzzles, and languages, after finding out (Also from the script.) What the phrase means, I sat down to pick it a part. So just for fun, here it goes;

Tali says Keelah se'lai means "By the homeworld I hope to see someday." Now obviously there are too few words in the original phrase for the translation to be completely accurate, but then we remember that Tali says its the "Best," translation she can find; which implies that its the translation that still basically says the same thing, but it also conveys more of the nuance and emotion behind the actual meaning.

A popular thing to do in many fictional languages (That use the western alphabet anyway.) is to use apostrophes to indicate a conjugation, and as we see from this, se'lai is prabably a conjugated verb.

Mostly due to the fact that I am Japanese, the first thing I thought of was our "Tai," verb ending, which means that you want to do the verb its conjugated with, and we see fron the translation above that they "Want to see," their homeworld. So I'm thinking that se'lai means "Want to see," with "Se," being the root of the world "To see/look," and "Lai," being that "To want," Conjugation.

Like I said earlier, there are only two words in "Keelah se'lai," which means, judging from Tali's translation, that the Quarian language is prone to noun-dropping. and definately doesn't have articles, much like Japanese, so the words "Someday," and even the word "By," are not actually there, but implied by the nuance and emotion that I spoke of earlier.

So with the verb recognized, and the non-essential words dealt with, the only world left is "Keelah," which more than likely means "Homeworld," due to the fact that there aren't any other words in the sentence.

But why would we here Tali, and other quarians, randomly say "Homeworld," when expressing surprise or sadness? I think its due to what a homeworld means to them; its become such a valued, almost abstract idea that its probably assumed the role that most other cultures would give to a god, or to a creed. So in the end, saying "Homeworld," to a quarian could be the same as saying "Oh god," or something similar.

So in the end, I think the literal translation of "Keelah se'lai" is really "The homeworld i want to see," but due to the context, the translation Tali gives really is the "Best," one there is.

*End of spoiler-ish.*

Modifié par BentOrgy, 01 janvier 2012 - 11:50 .


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Best translation I've seen yet. :P

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Best translation I've seen yet. :P


Yay for mild obsessiveness. :D

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Can anyone link me to the site with the heavy metal mass effect character themes?

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Lol! You just ruined it for me...

Garrus: They are blind to their cause Tali, they are indoctrinated.
Tali: Oh Homeworld!
Garrus: ...ok, by the spirits then.

Now, if Rannoch is actualy named Hiigara and the Quarians are named Kushans, we have a problem here.

Random Bentusi: Your path to the Homeworld is clear, the exiles return to Hiigara. Long ago forgotten... by the war with the Taidan collective.

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 janvier 2012 - 01:08 .


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mauro2222 wrote...

Lol! You just ruined it for me...

Garrus: They are blind to their cause Tali, they are indoctrinated.
Tali: Oh Homeworld!
Garrus: ...ok, by the spirits then.

Now, if Rannoch is actualy named Hiigara and the Quarians are named Kushans, we have a problem here.

Random Bentusi: Your path to the Homeworld is clear, the exiles return to Hiigara. Long ago forgotten... by the war with the Taidan collective.


Taiidan ships were so much more badass than anything the Kushan made.

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BentOrgy wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

but I did finally find out what "Keelah se'lai" means, which was cool.


*Spoiler-ish*

(a lot of interesting linguistic observations)

*End of spoiler-ish.*


Cool! Thanks for sharing that. Love learning about how languages work, fictional or otherwise.

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Ruthac_Arus wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

but I did finally find out what "Keelah se'lai" means, which was cool.


*Spoiler-ish*

(a lot of interesting linguistic observations)

*End of spoiler-ish.*


Cool! Thanks for sharing that. Love learning about how languages work, fictional or otherwise.


Its something that's too often neglected I think, in fiction. I think it adds a lot to the immersion to learn about the different cultures in the story. Art, religion, language, its all fascinating to me.

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Fast question, my memory is blurry, but when Tali says her mother died 5 years ago, did she say that in ME1 or 2?

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

Fast question, my memory is blurry, but when Tali says her mother died 5 years ago, did she say that in ME1 or 2?

I recall her saying "a few years back" in ME1, but no specific number.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Fast question, my memory is blurry, but when Tali says her mother died 5 years ago, did she say that in ME1 or 2?

I recall her saying "a few years back" in ME1, but no specific number.

Ah, okay. I remember the age 17 and relating it to her mother's death. My question has been answered.
*tips hat and continues writing*

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"Oh Keelah!"

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BentOrgy wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

but I did finally find out what "Keelah se'lai" means, which was cool.


*Spoiler-ish*

About that, because I love puzzles, and languages, after finding out (Also from the script.) What the phrase means, I sat down to pick it a part. So just for fun, here it goes;

Tali says Keelah se'lai means "By the homeworld I hope to see someday." Now obviously there are too few words in the original phrase for the translation to be completely accurate, but then we remember that Tali says its the "Best," translation she can find; which implies that its the translation that still basically says the same thing, but it also conveys more of the nuance and emotion behind the actual meaning.

A popular thing to do in many fictional languages (That use the western alphabet anyway.) is to use apostrophes to indicate a conjugation, and as we see from this, se'lai is prabably a conjugated verb.

Mostly due to the fact that I am Japanese, the first thing I thought of was our "Tai," verb ending, which means that you want to do the verb its conjugated with, and we see fron the translation above that they "Want to see," their homeworld. So I'm thinking that se'lai means "Want to see," with "Se," being the root of the world "To see/look," and "Lai," being that "To want," Conjugation.

Like I said earlier, there are only two words in "Keelah se'lai," which means, judging from Tali's translation, that the Quarian language is prone to noun-dropping. and definately doesn't have articles, much like Japanese, so the words "Someday," and even the word "By," are not actually there, but implied by the nuance and emotion that I spoke of earlier.

So with the verb recognized, and the non-essential words dealt with, the only world left is "Keelah," which more than likely means "Homeworld," due to the fact that there aren't any other words in the sentence.

But why would we here Tali, and other quarians, randomly say "Homeworld," when expressing surprise or sadness? I think its due to what a homeworld means to them; its become such a valued, almost abstract idea that its probably assumed the role that most other cultures would give to a god, or to a creed. So in the end, saying "Homeworld," to a quarian could be the same as saying "Oh god," or something similar.

So in the end, I think the literal translation of "Keelah se'lai" is really "The homeworld i want to see," but due to the context, the translation Tali gives really is the "Best," one there is.

*End of spoiler-ish.*


Finally! I've been looking for a translation of that

#11239
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BentOrgy wrote...

But why would we here Tali, and other quarians, randomly say "Homeworld," when expressing surprise or sadness?

I think it's probably similar to the English expression "what on earth...?"

Also, nice analysis. It seems to hold up, though only BioWare can tell the truth of it, of course. Posted Image

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

Fast question, my memory is blurry, but when Tali says her mother died 5 years ago, did she say that in ME1 or 2?

It's a shame really. We hear so much about her father being a hard ass but very little on her mother. Who knows she may have approved of tali sharing suit environments with a human : )

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Dilandau3000 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

But why would we here Tali, and other quarians, randomly say "Homeworld," when expressing surprise or sadness?

I think it's probably similar to the English expression "what on earth...?"

Also, nice analysis. It seems to hold up, though only BioWare can tell the truth of it, of course. Posted Image


Well, I go on to explain why they'd say that later in the post, which essentially what you're saying.

But I've wondered if Bioware really had a translation when they created that phrase; we've never really heard actual sentences before, only that one phrase and some random words. So all they would really need to do is make sure the general sound stays consistant, and they could make up whatever they want. Unfortunately, not everyone wants to be like Morioka Hiroyuki (Creator of Crest of the Stars, and the Abh language Baronh.) and put in the work to create a working language for a handful of lines.

And as I side note, your page says you live in Japan, do you speak Japanese?

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I speak some Japanese, not very good though. I can get by in daily life, but I can't hold deep conversations or anything.

I expect that you're right, and that it was a phrase invented in isolation, without a whole language to back it up. Similarly, Klingon started off as a few words and phrases invented by James Doohan (Scotty) for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Mark Okrand then expanded it into a proper language, keeping true to the sounds heard in TMP, for Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock.

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Unschuld wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Lol! You just ruined it for me...

Garrus: They are blind to their cause Tali, they are indoctrinated.
Tali: Oh Homeworld!
Garrus: ...ok, by the spirits then.

Now, if Rannoch is actualy named Hiigara and the Quarians are named Kushans, we have a problem here.

Random Bentusi: Your path to the Homeworld is clear, the exiles return to Hiigara. Long ago forgotten... by the war with the Taidan collective.


Taiidan ships were so much more badass than anything the Kushan made.


That's why we capture their ships. :wizard:

Anyway, Kadeshi interceptors :wub:

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:07 .


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I want to know about Tali's mother BIOWARE!!! Fulfill my demand!

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happy new year Tali thread!
Have some flustered Tali.

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Hi Tali fans :).

I am writing a fan fic that covers all the Mass Effect events to date (as well as Shepard's history).  For the ME2 story, each squadmate gets their own chapter, following their journey through the ME2 story (up to the Omega4 Relay).  Usually these chapters take the form of Journal entries by Commander Shepard (female), but in the case of Tali I presented her Journal entries.  So it tells her story from Freedom Progress onwards from her viewpoint.

I really had a wonderful time getting inside Tali's head, and I'm pleased with the result.  I hope you enjoy it: If It Meant Living-32: Tali / Alternative Deviant Art Link.

I also do screenshot manips to go with each chapter.  I'm very happy with how Tali's turned out, so for your pleasure:

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Judgment

Thank you for your time :).

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I loved it! Very good work in there... I'm gonna keep reading the other perspectives.

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mauro2222 wrote...

I loved it! Very good work in there... I'm gonna keep reading the other perspectives.


Thank you, I'm so glad :).  I hope you enjoy it all - much of the story has been told already, and much more yet to go :)

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Graceyn wrote...

Hi Tali fans :).

*Snip

I really had a wonderful time getting inside Tali's head, and I'm pleased with the result.  I hope you enjoy it: If It Meant Living-32: Tali / Alternative Deviant Art Link.

*Snippity Snip :)
Thank you for your time :).

And thank you.  Nice, very nice indeed.

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i wonder if we get 2 c tali under the mask not that it matters shes still the best