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I sincerely hope that these were made before Tali's look for ME3 was finalized; it makes little to no sense to update the original cast's looks (VS, Liara, Garrus.) and not include Tali. It won't be game breaking, or something childish like that, but it will be another "Really Bioware? Really?" in a long line of such moments.

And Bovine, did they say that about Tali specifically? If so, I'd like to know where from.


*Snip*


I think its funny that you decided to quote this post, rather than the one I made later that addressed a few of the points you've brought up. (Quarian resources, Liara's outfit, changing iconic outfits, etc.) Although your reasons why the VS and Garrus received new outfits makes sense, from a development standpoint (Which includes aiming to please either a select group, or various ones, depending on how large/small your title is and the direction the title's theme is going.) when designing a game like ME3, which has a extremely large, vocal, and mixed fanbase, it makes little sense to ostracize one character, despite that character being a fan favourite, and one that's been in the frachise  since the beginning.

But on the subject of a Quarian's suit being too complex to change; I think that makes little sense; you would think, from a cultural standpoint, that a race of people that can't even see themselves in a mirror on board their own homes would do more with their suits, to differentiate eachother and promote the individuality that they've lost.

And like I said in my previous post, its not like changing their suits once every few years would kill them, because (Again, like I said.) Tali did a lot more than just change clothes in my Shep's cabin, and only got a little cold. So you can't really argue that they wouldn't do it for safety reasons. Besides, quarians grow just like humans, so they would need to change suits eventually. Not that this is an issue for Tali, but it is another valid point.

In the end it might be a case of Bioware not wanting to design another outfit, because it wouldn't be like human armor, where you can be very basic in your approach and still have it turn out nice looking. "Oh, just add some pads here, some masculine pauldrons here, maybe some folded plating here.... Done. Yeah, that looks badass." They would have to work within the cultural aesthetic they've developed for the quarian people, and designing multiple customizable pieces for such a character might have been too much of a bother for them, considering they had other things to worry about.

But again, as I said in my previous post on the matter, I wouldn't be so against this non-change, if Bioware had simply updated her model. It takes less than a few seconds to realize that the Tali in those ME3 screens, is ME2 Tali. Keep the outfit if you must, but when every character (Even Anderson!) is getting a poly count/texture overhaul, and one is obviously not, that's not just lazy, its fairly ridiculous.

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Unschuld wrote...

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Bit of a repost here, mostly because this question got lost in the shuffle after someone chose to make a photo dump of the new screen shots almost *immediately* after I posted this. Figured it really wasn't going to get noticed after that. While this might just be me being a bit of a Geek, I genuinely thought this was worth throwing out there since it *is* Tali related, albiet indirectly... 
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From what i just looked up, its nothing more than a cursory resemblance. But quarians DO have noses, if that's the look you're hoping for. They also don't have fat heads, actually skinnier than humans from the look of it, so I don't think that would work.


No, no. I'm aware of the details we've been given on Quarians beneath the mask (read the books, comics, etc) and anyone with eye-balls can see quite a bit through her face-mask already, so I'm quite happy with how Tali will *likely* look if BioWare decides to lift the visor for good. I just found it somewhat jarring to see the similarities below the neck. And, yes, while the heads were large, I found the big eyes to be kind of similar as well. Like I said, it's just something I thought worth throwing out there more for the fact that Tali's design seemed to have influenced someone over at Disney. 
:?

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I just wanna see her damn face by the end of ME3. They do that and I will end Shepard's story a happy man.

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No, no. I'm aware of the details we've been given on Quarians beneath the mask (read the books, comics, etc) and anyone with eye-balls can see quite a bit through her face-mask already, so I'm quite happy with how Tali will *likely* look if BioWare decides to lift the visor for good. I just found it somewhat jarring to see the similarities below the neck. And, yes, while the heads were large, I found the big eyes to be kind of similar as well. Like I said, it's just something I thought worth throwing out there more for the fact that Tali's design seemed to have influenced someone over at Disney. 
:?


I see what you're talking about and it is possible, I just can't say how likely. The leg/body shape is hardly unique to Tali, nor is she the first character to be portrayed with digitigrade legs or a skin-tight space suit.. Whatever happened to that movie anyway? I think I heard about it like once, enough to make me wince at the title and concept and then mercifully never heard from it again.

If there was some sort of connection though, it could be one of the greatest trolls ever made, with the "quarian" analogue hooking up with a fat man in the end. 

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hand-o_death547 wrote...

I just wanna see her damn face by the end of ME3. They do that and I will end Shepard's story a happy man.


I'm betting yes on this one.

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But again, as I said in my previous post on the matter, I wouldn't be so against this non-change, if Bioware had simply updated her model. It takes less than a few seconds to realize that the Tali in those ME3 screens, is ME2 Tali. Keep the outfit if you must, but when every character (Even Anderson!) is getting a poly count/texture overhaul, and one is obviously not, that's not just lazy, its fairly ridiculous.


Yep. It only made sense with the VS in ME2, because the screen time was like 5 minutes. Seeing this on a main character who's with you just about the entire game would be a GLARING monument of laziness/stagnation.

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Unschuld wrote...

hand-o_death547 wrote...

I just wanna see her damn face by the end of ME3. They do that and I will end Shepard's story a happy man.


I'm betting yes on this one.

I really, really hope so.  Either way though, she's the usual one I go for because every other crew member you can have a romance story line with kinda sucks. 

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hand-o_death547 wrote...
 I really, really hope so.  Either way though, she's the usual one I go for because every other crew member you can have a romance story line with kinda sucks.  


I'd agree, especially when it comes to shacking up with the mental patient who lives in the basement. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

By the way, like your sig. Even in boot camp they teach that as a Reagon quote, but apparently there's debate on that.

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I am starting to think they made her visor see through. Why else would they hide her new looks?

*SNIP

Keelah I hope not.  That would smack hard up against what Tali said.  "I've never shown my face to anyone but I ready to show you."

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 I really, really hope so.  Either way though, she's the usual one I go for because every other crew member you can have a romance story line with kinda sucks.  


I'd agree, especially when it comes to shacking up with the mental patient who lives in the basement. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

By the way, like your sig. Even in boot camp they teach that as a Reagon quote, but apparently there's debate on that.

Yeah either an insane girl who steals kids from her equally insane father, a wierdo with a shaved head and 30000 tatoos (I only plan on getting a few myself), an anoying girl who constantly feels the need to remind me that I don't have a damned message on my damned terminal,  a 1000 year old girl who would kill someone for any sort of corruption at all, or a nice girl who so far hasn't showed any signs of complete insanity and actually likes Shepard.  Hmmmm....hard choice

And thanks, I am not in now but I am going to boot camp hopefully around July or August.  Already got my physical the first time, gotta get some medical documents and I've just been sitting around getting lazy waiting for them.

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Calinstel wrote...

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I am starting to think they made her visor see through. Why else would they hide her new looks?

*SNIP

Keelah I hope not.  That would smack hard up against what Tali said.  "I've never shown my face to anyone but I ready to show you."



Well if the quarians are gonna start walking around suitless Tali has to start getting used to showing her face at some point. :whistle:

But yeah, I agree that it would be out of character for her to just untint her mask.

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Calinstel wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

I am starting to think they made her visor see through. Why else would they hide her new looks?

*SNIP

Keelah I hope not.  That would smack hard up against what Tali said.  "I've never shown my face to anyone but I ready to show you."



They made all sorts of statements about basing Tali on the Virgin Mary figure, but I can't be alone in thinking it smacks much more of Islamic customs involving veiled women.


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And thanks, I am not in now but I am going to boot camp hopefully around July or August.  Already got my physical the first time, gotta get some medical documents and I've just been sitting around getting lazy waiting for them.


Just push through and you'll do fine. Boot camp isn't even hard anymore from what I hear. Your biggest physical danger of not making it is if someone points the barrel of their rifle at your head while trying to clear a double feed on the range.
Yeah, I wouldn't know anything about that...:whistle:

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hand-o_death547 wrote...

[Yeah either an insane girl who steals kids from her equally insane father, a wierdo with a shaved head and 30000 tatoos (I only plan on getting a few myself), an anoying girl who constantly feels the need to remind me that I don't have a damned message on my damned terminal,  a 1000 year old girl who would kill someone for any sort of corruption at all, or a nice girl who so far hasn't showed any signs of complete insanity and actually likes Shepard.  Hmmmm....hard choice


What about Liara?

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da hizz nizz 3 wrote...


What about Liara?


Bipolar.

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da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

hand-o_death547 wrote...

[Yeah either an insane girl who steals kids from her equally insane father, a wierdo with a shaved head and 30000 tatoos (I only plan on getting a few myself), an anoying girl who constantly feels the need to remind me that I don't have a damned message on my damned terminal,  a 1000 year old girl who would kill someone for any sort of corruption at all, or a nice girl who so far hasn't showed any signs of complete insanity and actually likes Shepard.  Hmmmm....hard choice

And thanks, I am not in now but I am going to boot camp hopefully around July or August.  Already got my physical the first time, gotta get some medical documents and I've just been sitting around getting lazy waiting for them.


What about Liara?

Dammit your right.  Well I chose Ash on that little comic thingy at the begining of ME2 (I have it on ps3 so no ME1 :blush:)  But once my friend got ME1 for his xbox and I saw how she was I really don't like her.  Liara isn't too bad but I just like Tali better.  I might go with Liara some time in the future though.

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Tali does have the best romance and I was very pleased by what I saw in the leaked dialogue. If the lines are kept for the final product i will squeal like a schoolgirl. Liara is good but Tali is the best by far. So I will just have to have 2 playthroughs. It will be interesting to see Tali and Liara fight over my shep tho...

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da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

hand-o_death547 wrote...

[Yeah either an insane girl who steals kids from her equally insane father, a wierdo with a shaved head and 30000 tatoos (I only plan on getting a few myself), an anoying girl who constantly feels the need to remind me that I don't have a damned message on my damned terminal,  a 1000 year old girl who would kill someone for any sort of corruption at all, or a nice girl who so far hasn't showed any signs of complete insanity and actually likes Shepard.  Hmmmm....hard choice


What about Liara?


I'm a bit creeped out with how she hits on me the same day as I killed her mom.... :?

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da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

Tali does have the best romance and I was very pleased by what I saw in the leaked dialogue. If the lines are kept for the final product i will squeal like a schoolgirl. Liara is good but Tali is the best by far. So I will just have to have 2 playthroughs. It will be interesting to see Tali and Liara fight over my shep tho...

Where did this whole leak business come up?  I heard about it a while ago and never saw anything on it.  I know I shouldn't, but my inner renegade side is coming out of me and I kinda wanna see it.

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I'm a bit creeped out with how she hits on me the same day as I killed her mom.... :?

I've never played the first one. ( PS3 owner):( I didn't know how much time had passed in between those events

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hand-o_death547 wrote...

da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

Tali does have the best romance and I was very pleased by what I saw in the leaked dialogue. If the lines are kept for the final product i will squeal like a schoolgirl. Liara is good but Tali is the best by far. So I will just have to have 2 playthroughs. It will be interesting to see Tali and Liara fight over my shep tho...

Where did this whole leak business come up?  I heard about it a while ago and never saw anything on it.  I know I shouldn't, but my inner renegade side is coming out of me and I kinda wanna see it.

It's spoilerific and will destroy you. you don't want to see it lol. Actually i doubt any of it will make it into the finished game
Edit: if you want it tho. PM me:whistle:

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da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

hand-o_death547 wrote...

da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

Tali does have the best romance and I was very pleased by what I saw in the leaked dialogue. If the lines are kept for the final product i will squeal like a schoolgirl. Liara is good but Tali is the best by far. So I will just have to have 2 playthroughs. It will be interesting to see Tali and Liara fight over my shep tho...

Where did this whole leak business come up?  I heard about it a while ago and never saw anything on it.  I know I shouldn't, but my inner renegade side is coming out of me and I kinda wanna see it.

It's spoilerific and will destroy you. you don't want to see it lol. Actually i doubt any of it will make it into the finished game
Edit: if you want it tho. PM me:whistle:

Well if it ain't gonna be in the finished game then....what the hell....I sent the PM lol.

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No, no. I'm aware of the details we've been given on Quarians beneath the mask (read the books, comics, etc) and anyone with eye-balls can see quite a bit through her face-mask already, so I'm quite happy with how Tali will *likely* look if BioWare decides to lift the visor for good. I just found it somewhat jarring to see the similarities below the neck. And, yes, while the heads were large, I found the big eyes to be kind of similar as well. Like I said, it's just something I thought worth throwing out there more for the fact that Tali's design seemed to have influenced someone over at Disney. 
:?


I see what you're talking about and it is possible, I just can't say how likely. The leg/body shape is hardly unique to Tali, nor is she the first character to be portrayed with digitigrade legs or a skin-tight space suit.. Whatever happened to that movie anyway? I think I heard about it like once, enough to make me wince at the title and concept and then mercifully never heard from it again.

If there was some sort of connection though, it could be one of the greatest trolls ever made, with the "quarian" analogue hooking up with a fat man in the end. 


Belated response (sorry) and now slightly off-topic (sorry again) but, yeah, I'll concede that there have been similar body types elsewhere, although, personally, I've yet to see anything else that bared an almost exact resemblance. But, that's neither here nor there. As to the movie? It pretty much went through the theaters and washed out on DVD. The movie would have been pretty solid if they hadn't of marketed it so heavily for kids since a lot of the film's content is pretty mature. Lot of adult humor, some pretty jarring moments, the "Uncanny Valley" nature of the CG, and even things like Cross-Species romance. The film was very much like oil and water, useful things that just *don't* go together well. On another interesting side note the main character was Mo-Capped (and voiced originally before they kind of screwed him over) by Seth Green, aka Joker. If you have cable and the Starz Network you can watch it via On-Demand services before it premiers later this month. (*Shrugs*) I think it's worth a watch. Well, I suppose that's that. 
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Belated response (sorry) and now slightly off-topic (sorry again) but, yeah, I'll concede that there have been similar body types elsewhere, although, personally, I've yet to see anything else that bared an almost exact resemblance. But, that's neither here nor there. As to the movie? It pretty much went through the theaters and washed out on DVD. The movie would have been pretty solid if they hadn't of marketed it so heavily for kids since a lot of the film's content is pretty mature. Lot of adult humor, some pretty jarring moments, the "Uncanny Valley" nature of the CG, and even things like Cross-Species romance. The film was very much like oil and water, useful things that just *don't* go together well. On another interesting side note the main character was Mo-Capped (and voiced originally before they kind of screwed him over) by Seth Green, aka Joker. If you have cable and the Starz Network you can watch it via On-Demand services before it premiers later this month. (*Shrugs*) I think it's worth a watch. Well, I suppose that's that. 
:?


I didn't experience the uncanny valley effect too much during Mass Effect, surprisingly, mostly just when I had just watched something else that was done better (even switching from ME2 back to ME1 caused it because the facial expressions etc. weren't done as well). I honestly wouldn't have noticed a certain character's GIGANTUOUS buck-teeth either unless someone on the forums had mentioned it. Thanks, BSN.

Thinly veiled adult humor in kids movies? Yes please. We need something to keep us entertained when we get dragged to the theaters. I don't think its enough to draw me into seeing that movie however. Maybe I'll watch it for free some day. Tintin by comparison, which I saw recently, was awesome. Very faithful to the comics I grew up with, and the fact that they kept Haddock's blatent alcoholism in there was great. The pacing was good too (read: normal), unlike most films out now that have flashes of color and things nonsensically flying out at you every 5 seconds.

But this is getting dangerously off-topic...

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It's spoilerific and will destroy you. you don't want to see it lol. Actually i doubt any of it will make it into the finished game
Edit: if you want it tho. PM me[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I hope you're being somewhat sarcastic, because some of the dialogue in there looked like gold (even if most of the continuity and some plot elements seemed horrible at face value) and I think the game would be worse off without it. Especially a certain drinking scene.

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Considering the game is coming out in 2 months, and finalized for packaging in 1 or less, I'd say her costume is going to be the same. Unless you can buy her a new suit in ME3, or with DLC.


Armor will most likely be as it was in ME1, buying new suits from vendors.  But, those screenshots were most likely made a few months ago, and just put out now.

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I hope you're being somewhat sarcastic, because some of the dialogue in there looked like gold (even if most of the continuity and some plot elements seemed horrible at face value) and I think the game would be worse off without it. Especially a certain drinking scene.

Yes I'm being sarcastic and pessimistic. Most of it was gold.  And I know of what you speak and it must be kept in the game!!

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