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da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

Yes I'm being sarcastic and pessimistic. Most of it was gold.  And I know of what you speak and it must be kept in the game!!


IT MUST!

That was seriously the best and the most awful spoiler I read, since knowing of it only at the time when I actually saw it on screen would have made that moment epic. I'm still looking forward to it, it'll just have a little less impact.

I guess the Mass Effect team discovered a formula from the little conversation with Chakwas: Scenes with characters getting drunk is awesome. All of the drinking Shepard scenes were great too.

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I'd just like to add how great I thought that scene was too. That is all.

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Unschuld wrote...

IT MUST!

That was seriously the best and the most awful spoiler I read, since knowing of it only at the time when I actually saw it on screen would have made that moment epic. I'm still looking forward to it, it'll just have a little less impact.

I guess the Mass Effect team discovered a formula from the little conversation with Chakwas: Scenes with characters getting drunk is awesome. All of the drinking Shepard scenes were great too.

I'm right with you. All of that Tali dialogue has kept me up for days as I keep trying to imagine what it will be like to see that on screen and to hear her drunk voice

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I am reading this  leaked stuff and it is pure gold, I don't know if I can wait until March though....

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

I'd just like to add how great I thought that scene was too. That is all.


I'll probably reload my saves over and over for the lulz when that moment shows up. :P

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I just hope there's equally funny/great moments that I don't know about yet besides the aforementioned Tali scene and Garrus' "Oh crap" moment. But NO HINTING! I seem to have forgotten why I bought Skyrim lately; an effort to get away from this forum and forget ME3 exists until 11:00pm March 5. Damn my curiosity, the wait is killing me.

I've never been so hyped for something that I put a countdown clock on my phone...:pinched:

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Unschuld wrote...

I just hope there's equally funny/great moments that I don't know about yet besides the aforementioned Tali scene and Garrus' "Oh crap" moment. But NO HINTING! I seem to have forgotten why I bought Skyrim lately; an effort to get away from this forum and forget ME3 exists until 11:00pm March 5. Damn my curiosity, the wait is killing me.

I've never been so hyped for something that I put a countdown clock on my phone...:pinched:

Haha I have it set on my phone too, your not the only one.  This and Battlfield 3 are the only games that I have really gotten this excited for.

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comrade gando wrote...

I wonder if you can get a specific ending with Tali, like some kind of epilogue.


as do i, but i had it in mind that at the end of the game, you get married to your LI, (if you have one) after the galaxys been saved and all that

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as do i, but i had it in mind that at the end of the game, you get married to your LI, (if you have one) after the galaxys been saved and all that

YES:O
Casey did say something about marrige a little while back.

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Eh, I'm iffy about this one. Epilogues, yes, married with children (natural or otherwise).... no. It just seems overly mushy/cliche and is something better left implied. Besides, Tali is missing that finger.

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Unschuld wrote...

Eh, I'm iffy about this one. Epilogues, yes, married with children (natural or otherwise).... no. It just seems overly mushy/cliche and is something better left implied. Besides, Tali is missing that finger.

Impling leads to Speculation. Speculation leads to Argument. Argument is fuel for Trolls!

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I think its funny that you decided to quote this post, rather than the one I made later that addressed a few of the points you've brought up. (Quarian resources, Liara's outfit, changing iconic outfits, etc.)

 

Well that's because at the time when I wrote that post, I didn't know about you later post. Usually when I respond to some older posts, I just answer or response to post I see at the time. After answering it, I'll continue reading onwards. Though it seems to be back firing in some cases, like this one. Oh well.

Although your reasons why the VS and Garrus received new outfits makes sense, from a development standpoint (Which includes aiming to please either a select group, or various ones, depending on how large/small your title is and the direction the title's theme is going.) when designing a game like ME3, which has a extremely large, vocal, and mixed fanbase, it makes little sense to ostracize one character, despite that character being a fan favourite, and one that's been in the frachise  since the beginning.


Well I think that BW is going to change how Tali will look in ME3. However what they are changing is underneath that suit as it's now likely that they might show her face and what I have gathered from some older interviews/articles, BW had never really had much thought about how Tali really looks underneath that suit before ME3.

So, it's not that BW is going to concentrate to Tali and her looks, it's just possible that they are more focuced on what's underneath that suit. Also it's also quite possible that Tali's ME2 is just simply so popular that BW didn't see any reason to change it (again). Then again, who really knows at the moment. Maybe BW will sometime explain, why Tali wouldn't get a new looks in ME3.

But on the subject of a Quarian's suit being too complex to change; I think that makes little sense; you would think, from a cultural standpoint, that a race of people that can't even see themselves in a mirror on board their own homes would do more with their suits, to differentiate eachother and promote the individuality that they've lost.

And like I said in my previous post, its not like changing their suits once every few years would kill them, because (Again, like I said.) Tali did a lot more than just change clothes in my Shep's cabin, and only got a little cold. So you can't really argue that they wouldn't do it for safety reasons. Besides, quarians grow just like humans, so they would need to change suits eventually. Not that this is an issue for Tali, but it is another valid point.


Of course changing their suits won't really kill them (after all like you pointed, Tali had lots of "outsite suit activity" in ME2 romance paths). However I didn't referred to safety or health issue. But I think of problem here is that Quarians just can't afford for people changing their suits in every few years or so. All of those Quarians suits and all the technology in them must really had expensive for Quarians.

Because of this it's unlikely that Quarians will change their suits that often. I mean it seems that even is cases where there would be some suit puctures all they do is paths up their suits in various ways. Now if they could afford changing theirs suits, I'm sure every Quarians would change their suits after there are some puctures, like other races change their armors after they got too damaged.

Also what comes to Quarian and their growing I can't say anything sure. However I have got impression that there are only few times/moments, when Quarians actually got new suits. First one is of course the moment they got their first suit. But the next one could very well be the moment they will return from their pilgrimage. First of in that time pretty much every Quarian are already matured and most likely reached the point, when they won't be growing that much anymore. Second, it's possible that every Quarian might got totally new suit as gift or sign of achiving adulthood or complete membership of the fleet. Now if this would be the case, then those suits would hold some symbolic meaning, which in part would explain, why Quarians would want to just patch up their suits and not simply ask new one. Sure all Quarians could change their suits adornments and accessories, but basic suit will stay the same.

Anyway it's more of that Quarians just can't afford changing suits and that way spending/wasting resources, so it's not really a safety or health issue.

In the end it might be a case of Bioware not wanting to design another outfit, because it wouldn't be like human armor, where you can be very basic in your approach and still have it turn out nice looking. "Oh, just add some pads here, some masculine pauldrons here, maybe some folded plating here.... Done. Yeah, that looks badass." They would have to work within the cultural aesthetic they've developed for the quarian people, and designing multiple customizable pieces for such a character might have been too much of a bother for them, considering they had other things to worry about.


Indeed. Especially as Tali is pretty much only Quarian, who even had specialiced suit in ME2. And somehow I can't see BW really making any extra efford for making Quarians looks different from each others in ME3.

But again, as I said in my previous post on the matter, I wouldn't be so against this non-change, if Bioware had simply updated her model. It takes less than a few seconds to realize that the Tali in those ME3 screens, is ME2 Tali. Keep the outfit if you must, but when every character (Even Anderson!) is getting a poly count/texture overhaul, and one is obviously not, that's not just lazy, its fairly ridiculous.


I guess that's possible. I just don't understand why Bioware would show Tali in her ME2 suit in this point, when only two months before the game is out. I can't think any good reason for doing this.

Now I can think of some crazy reasons like Tali having completely transparent suit in ME3. In that case it would be totally understandable if BW wants to keep that secret. :P

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Yeah, but I'd be willing to say that people who argue speculations and opinions as if they're facts almost deserve to be trolled. Ha ha! What am I saying though, this is BSN! None of that **** happens here!

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PhantomSpectre wrote...
*snip*


Please add an equal amount of TotP images so that it takes up the remaining half of the page. That would be awesome. :P


Edit: I'm just kidding, not attacking you for posting an article. I'm in the process of reading.

I don't think bioware "never put much thought as to what was under the suit", maybe just at first. I'm willing to bet it was more like they had too many ideas and adding fan opinions on top of that made it hard for them to decide on a look. Tali also got her ME2 suit when she completed her pilgrammage and was assigned to a new ship. Since she's changed ships again, vas Normandy, that could be a reason for another change in attire (I'll admit though, not the strongest reasoning behind that one there).

Since the Quarians are said to be incredibly resourceful, its feasible to speculate that they could repurpose almost any junk they find into aesthetic or functional bits on their suits. Even if they are frugal with their resources, there's almost no shortage of junk. Seeing as they only changed the colors of other Quarians though, I think it's safe to say that Tali would probably once again be the only truly "different" Quarian. 


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Now I can think of some crazy reasons like Tali having completely transparent suit in ME3. In that case it would be totally understandable if BW wants to keep that secret. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


That would be the worst secret ever. I hope not, unless its just the facemask. Not fully transparent or clear, but with the same "purple haze" as the previous games, just giving the ability to see that they updated the face model.

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No need to spam now. One pic would be quite enough.:whistle:

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Unschuld wrote...

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I am starting to think they made her visor see through. Why else would they hide her new looks?

*SNIP

Keelah I hope not.  That would smack hard up against what Tali said.  "I've never shown my face to anyone but I ready to show you."



They made all sorts of statements about basing Tali on the Virgin Mary figure, but I can't be alone in thinking it smacks much more of Islamic customs involving veiled women.

There are similarities but you must remember, ALL quarians hide their faces.  I believe they do that to give themselves the one thing that is denied their race.  Privacy. 
I've stated before that I believe the cloudy visors started as basically sunglasses.  A dimmer sun would make the bright lights on other worlds painful so they just used what was already there, their visors.  Now, trapped in the fleet, that same feature provides the only privacy they have.  I really can't see any of them giving that up easily, at least not at first. 

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If Tali said you had to kill Legion to stay in a romance with her (because he betrayed them in some way involuntarily) and If not she leaves you but eventually you make up and become friends again, would you do it?

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There are similarities but you must remember, ALL quarians hide their faces.  I believe they do that to give themselves the one thing that is denied their race.  Privacy. 
I've stated before that I believe the cloudy visors started as basically sunglasses.  A dimmer sun would make the bright lights on other worlds painful so they just used what was already there, their visors.  Now, trapped in the fleet, that same feature provides the only privacy they have.  I really can't see any of them giving that up easily, at least not at first. 


I agree with that, mostly, but I'll keep my stance on the veil-thing. I'm not saying that Quarian ideals are the same, just the aesthetic concepts of them being veiled and Tali not showing her face to anyone unless they're intimates/family members. The only Quarian we saw in the first game though was female, which carries at least a little clout to the theory.

For example: were I a concept artist who wanted to take the entire Mass Effect cast/storyline and make it fit into a medieval setting, I'd have Tali wearing a veil and robes so that you could only see her eyes. The whole Quarian culture would have a very desert bedouin/gypsy feel to it. That's what I mean by aesthetic concept.

All in all, it's just a theory, and how I see it. 

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If Tali said you had to kill Legion to stay in a romance with her and If not she leaves you but eventually you make up and become friends again, would you do it?


That's a tough question. I'd have to say no, since a decision like that would seem to betray the concept I have for her as a character. There would have to be a good reason for it, and not just "No killie no nookie". Then I would probably do it. Legion is a great character, one of my favorites, but he's still a machine. I would be surprised if the rest of the organics posting on these forums would truly choose an automaton over another organic (i.e. every single "save Legion or Tali" thread on this board). I can't see anything wrong with that sort of bias.

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Unschuld wrote...

da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

If Tali said you had to kill Legion to stay in a romance with her and If not she leaves you but eventually you make up and become friends again, would you do it?


That's a tough question. I'd have to say no, since a decision like that would seem to betray the concept I have for her as a character. There would have to be a good reason for it, and not just "No killie no nookie". Then I would probably do it. Legion is a great character, one of my favorites, but he's still a machine. I would be surprised if the rest of the organics posting on these forums would truly choose an automaton over another organic (i.e. every single "save Legion or Tali" thread on this board). I can't see anything wrong with that sort of bias.

I would choose Tali. Even tho I love legion I would still choose her. Besides i would just secretly upload Legion into my omni-tool and keep him anyway. Renegade ftw. The hardest question I ever saw on this thread tho was the scenario of having to save Tali or the Fleet

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da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

If Tali said you had to kill Legion to stay in a romance with her and If not she leaves you but eventually you make up and become friends again, would you do it?


She can go and jump from a cliff if she thinks that the relationship is on a higher level than a life.

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We are both machines made of differents materials.

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We are both machines made of differents materials.


Only if you accept an extremely broad definition of what a machine is.

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Apparently Casey said we won't see Tali's face? He could just be misleading us though...

http://social.biowar...63048/1#7663202


have to remember, tod howard said no werewolves in skyrim, yet there are:whistle:

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Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

We are both machines made of differents materials.


Only if you accept an extremely broad definition of what a machine is.


Like it or not, you work as one.